Vaccinate?

[Paul01]

You found a website that says mercury is completely safe?

I think she is referring to the mercury-containing compound Thiomersal, typically seen in very small quantities in some vaccines. There are a number of studies referenced here: Thiomersal controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Two Scoops]

How is it that Cheetos are required to label the ingredients and nutrition facts on their products but vaccines aren't?

 

[Two Scoops]

I think she is referring to the mercury-containing compound Thiomersal, typically seen in very small quantities in some vaccines. There are a number of studies referenced here: Thiomersal controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know, but Thimerosal contains mercury. So when you state that a website says Thimerosal is safe, to me you're saying that mercury is safe. Mercury is a neurotoxic element. I'm not saying vaccines are bad, but I find some of the ingredients in them toxic. All kids cannot excrete the toxins in vaccines. We know the potential health concerns of mercury, so why they can inject it into little children, put it in our mouths, and use it in other products is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Sabertooth]

How is it that Cheetos are required to label the ingredients and nutrition facts on their products but vaccines aren't?

There is an accompanying fact sheet with each vaccine that contains that information, but it is too "medical-ese" for most people to understand or care. The site for ethical vaccines walks us lay people through that.

 

[Paul01]

I know, but Thimerosal contains mercury. So when you state that a website says Thimerosal is safe, to me you're saying that mercury is safe. Mercury is a neurotoxic element. I'm not saying vaccines are bad, but I find some of the ingredients in them toxic. All kids cannot excrete the toxins in vaccines. We know the potential health concerns of mercury, so why they can inject it into little children, put it in our mouths, and use it in other products is beyond my comprehension.

I don't think anyone is saying that injecting mercury is safe. I'm a mechanical engineer, so I have no expertise here, but from what I can tell, the mercury in Thiomersal exists as part of a compound. So perhaps the body responds differently to it than if you were to inject pure mercury? I have to go by what my doctors have told me and by what the vast majority of the scientific community seems to believe, that it's generally very safe and a far better alternative than not getting vaccinated.

 

[bill5]

So, I dont understand. If only unvaccinated children have been getting measles, shouldnt that be obvious to the parents what is causing it?

You would think.

Why is it still an issue?

Because some people believe whatever they want and ignore the evidence right in front of them...typically because they don't understand the science behind it and/or are paranoid about the government or the evil corporations
:suspense music:

But what are her beliefs? I dont understand why ppl make this choice. I should just ask her, but I am really afraid she will get upset with me if I disagree.

Obviously no one here can say as we don't know your sister, but it would not surprise me if she immediately got defensive and started going on about grandiose government conspiracies etc etc. (cue a roll of the eyes here)

The rhetoric about not getting vaccinated and spreading disease is hogwash. That's what the New World Order is telling us

ah-HAH...I just KNEW Hulk Hogan was behind all this!

Over the weekend I watched an informative film about the vaccine debate. It is called The Greater Good. It takes a look at the position of the two sides. On Dr. Mercola's sight

Anyone else stop reading there?

Mercola is a notorious quack and IMO should be in jail for trying to lead people away from proven treatments (for example, in treating cancer). I love how he also tries to push the "evil big pharm" bit and how they're all about money, but has no problem selling stuff on his site.

How is it that Cheetos are required to label the ingredients and nutrition facts on their products but vaccines aren't?

? In what country? Pretending for a moment that's even relevant, every shot I've seen administered (or received) was labelled.

I know, but Thimerosal contains mercury. So when you state that a website says Thimerosal is safe, to me you're saying that mercury is safe.

Good grief

You need someone to explain what the word "contains" means? Seriously?

Even if something has the tiniest fraction of a substance, it "contains" that substance. That doesn't mean it's entirely made up of that substance. Perhaps another example will serve: ketchup CONTAINS sugar. Does it look or taste anything like sugar? Why not? According to you, containing an ingredient is the same as if you only had that ingredient with nothing else.

 

[Two Scoops]

Bill, I understand what contains means. I work for a clinic, I've seen many people vaccinated without any info of what ingredients were being injected into them. Matter of fact, I've never seen anyone given a pamphlet about the ingredients that were injected into them. I've seen some nurses and physicians have their pride hurt when asked, but not list presented to the patient. Keep in mind I am not against vaccines.

Haha, please explain to me what contain means. Also, ease tell me what the acceptable amount of mercury is to inject into a child. I don't care if thimerosal contains trace amounts of mercury, it is still in there, no?

 

[bill5]

Haha, please explain to me what contain means.

I just tried, but clearly it's pointless.

 

[Two Scoops]

I'm joking! Just because thimerosal contains mercury, doesn't mean that the mercury still can't be neuro toxic. Mercury doesn't lose it toxicity just because its mixed with something else. So to me your point is invalid. Lets just say we disagree.

Do not trust in the wisdom of man but in the power of God.

 

[bill5]

It doesn't mean it will be either. It's a question of degree. Sorry for any offense, but this really isn't about disagreement; you're blatantly incorrect. If you wish to ignore that, that's certainly your choice.

 

[kellhus]

I am just looking for some basic information. My sister is a huge anti-vaccine person and I am afraid to ask her for information because of how passionate about it she is. But I dont really understand all the information I am hearing from different sources, so could anyone explain to me the different arguments without getting into it too much? I keep hearing about this measles outbreak, but I dont understand how that could be caused by unvaccinated children, because wouldnt that mean only children who are unvaccinated would be getting it? That is the whole purpose of a vaccine, is it not? The vaccinated children should not be catching it. So is there something wrong with the vaccines? Or they not working properly?

No. There is nothing wrong with vaccines. Your sister is ignorant, and people like her are literally the reason why thousands of babies, seniors, and immunocompromised people die horribly of completely preventable diseases every year.

Not everyone can get vaccinated. When people who can get vaccinated do not, they compromise our herd immunity and people die because of it.

 

[Two Scoops]

No. There is nothing wrong with vaccines. Your sister is ignorant, and people like her are literally the reason why thousands of babies, seniors, and immunocompromised people die horribly of completely preventable diseases every year.

Not everyone can get vaccinated. When people who can get vaccinated do not, they compromise our herd immunity and people die because of it.

Jesus wasn't vaccinated and I don't think
He compromised the herd immunity!

 

[kellhus]

Jesus wasn't vaccinated and I don't think
He compromised the herd immunity!

Do you even know what herd immunity is?

 

[Sabertooth]

No. There is nothing wrong with vaccines. Your sister is ignorant,...

That is a blanket statement. While the vaccine technique has proven to be very beneficial, almost every modern medicine has potential side effects and, some, the aforementioned ethical concerns.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

How can anything with Monosodium Glutamate, Aluminium, Thiomersal and Formaldehyde could be all good.

 

[kellhus]

That is a blanket statement. While the vaccine technique has proven to be very beneficial, almost every modern medicine has potential side effects and, some, the aforementioned ethical concerns.

I meant nothing wrong in the sense that the scientifically illiterate anti-medicine crowd usually runs around shrieking about. I wasn't claiming that there weren't side effects on rare occasions.

 

[kellhus]

How can anything with Monosodium Glutamate, Aluminium, Thiomersal and Formaldehyde could be all good.

You could take some biochemistry and immunology courses from university and learn the answer, or just go on assuming that any chemical with a fancy sounding name must automatically be poison no matter what.

 

[Sabertooth]

I meant nothing wrong in the sense that the scientifically illiterate anti-medicine crowd usually runs around shrieking about. I wasn't claiming that there weren't side effects on rare occasions.

It appears that we, who are already mildly on the autistic spectrum (hereditarily), are more susceptible to insult from these sources.

Further, drug development processes don't appear to consider minority deviations, like a family history of autism (with some allergy considerations), alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency, etc.

Besides the ethical consideration of using aborted fetal cells, it appears that the use of human cells, themselves, are likely to be the culprit.

 

[kellhus]

It appears that we, who are already mildly on the autistic spectrum (hereditarily), are more susceptible to insult from these sources.

Further, drug development processes don't appear to consider minority deviations, like a family history of autism (with some allergy considerations), alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency, etc.

Besides the ethical consideration of using aborted fetal cells, it appears that the use of human cells, themselves, are likely to be the culprit.

Mercola is a lying piece of garbage. It's the anti-medicine crowd's equivalent of WND, or the Young Earth Creationist Ray Comfort or ICR or Answers in Genesis. Vaccines do not contain cells from aborted fetuses, if you think about it for a while, I'm sure you can think up a dozen or so reasons why that's completely stupid. As for your claim that autistic individuals are more susceptible to adverse events from vaccination, I'm really going to have to ask for a scientific source, and not some mercola nonsense.

 

[Sabertooth]

Mercola's article is based on the findings of a Dr. Theresa Dreisher...

As far as the vulnerability of the mildly autistic goes, I have neither the proof, nor the wherewithal to belabor that point. Being mildly autistic myself, having two severely autistic children and two or three others on the spectrum, I have been exposed to a lot of information, in the last eleven years, that reinforces my theories on the matter. Some researchers have arrived at the same ideas that I have, independently. TIOLI