Free Masons

[Simpleman25]

I removed that post.

 

[Tomm]

We had a member in here - a Catholic - who was a freemason.
He left the masons and converted Catholic and the two are not complimentary.
The further up you go the more you realize it just doesnt jive with Christianity.

 

[Albion]

If there is something related to Freemasonry that is on anyone's mind, the subject is now assigned to "Philosophy" under the "Society" section of CF forums. I'm sure you'd get plenty of answers.

BTW, to all members of OBOB. Your forum is usually well ahead of the other forums for serious conversation and thoughtful topics.

 

[GutenbergPrintPress1454]

Masonry has hsitorically been profoundly anti-Catholic. While lower orders seem positive (helping in the community), higher orders are filled with much paganism. Many church have allowed their members to be part of free masonry, but not the Catholic Church, and with good reason.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Masonry (Freemasonry)

I know they are anti-Catholic, but why they PRETEND to be the opposite on the surface ??

 

[Albion]

I know they are anti-Catholic, but why they PRETEND to be the opposite on the surface ??

Love to have you or anyone else ask questions about Freemasonry so that misconceptions like this one can be cleared up to everyone's benefit. But such discussions are now assigned to the Philosophy forum. See you there.

 

[Rhamiel]

I know they are anti-Catholic, but why they PRETEND to be the opposite on the surface ??

the USA has a Protestant/Secular culture, even though there are many Catholics in the USA, our presance and cultural input has always been restrained by the society in general
so, atleast in the USA, the Freemasons do not have to be bold in their anti-catholicism, the culture is allready secular, Enlightenment ideals are allready trumped up, it does them no good to make waves and draw extra attention to the Catholic Church
Freemasonry is happy to just sit back and let internal problems in the Catholic Church keep us down, to let modernism and liberalism and apathy weigh us down like chains
ofcourse if we start to slip from these chains, the Freemasons (or their agents) will be the first to kick us back down
but why start a fight if you allready control the Status Quo? any conflict might just rouse opposition and counter-revolution

 

[Lepanto]

Freemasonry is happy to just sit back and let internal problems in the Catholic Church keep us down, to let modernism and liberalism and apathy weigh us down like chains

Internal problems in the Catholic Church... ??? Aren't they caused by the masons in the first place... ?

 

[Rhamiel]

Internal problems in the Catholic Church... ??? Aren't they caused by the masons in the first place... ?

I think that is a bit of a stretch
we are only human, we have to recognize that we have made a lot of mistakes
I think that Freemasonry is a negative force in this world and very unchristian
but I do not blame it for EVERYTHING,
lol to even blame it for MOST of our problems would be silly

 

[Tallguy88]

I think that is a bit of a stretch
we are only human, we have to recognize that we have made a lot of mistakes
I think that Freemasonry is a negative force in this world and very unchristian
but I do not blame it for EVERYTHING,
lol to even blame it for MOST of our problems would be silly

Remember, you're talking to the same poster who said there was no abuse of any kind in the CC until Vatican 2.

 

[Lepanto]

I think that Freemasonry is a negative force in this world and very unchristian but I do not blame it for EVERYTHING,
lol to even blame it for MOST of our problems would be silly

I do understand your point.
I am fallible and can give wrong opinions. But could Our Blessed Mother
say wrong things at Akita, Japan ???
My previous post was based on Our Lady's statements and also other scholars'
opinions.

 

[circuitrider]

I know they are anti-Catholic, but why they PRETEND to be the opposite on the surface ??

Albion has already said that this needs to move to philosophy. But just so you know, the most recent Master of my lodge who just finished his year as Master is an active Roman Catholic. I've known a lot of Roman Catholic freemasons. The above just isn't true.

That same Past Master is also now a Grand Lodge officer.

 

[Albion]

Albion has already said that this needs to move to philosophy. But just so you know, the most recent Master of my lodge who just finished his year as Master is an active Roman Catholic. I've known a lot of Roman Catholic freemasons. The above just isn't true.

That same Past Master is also now a Grand Lodge officer.

That's also true in my lodge, and he has often referred to his Catholic faith. But please, folks, take this to the proper forum.

 

[Rhamiel]

That's also true in my lodge, and he has often referred to his Catholic faith. But please, folks, take this to the proper forum.

we are talking about a topic that is deeply connected to the Catholic Church
and we are talking about it in the Catholic subforum because we want to hear Catholic views on it

the subforum you want it moved to is just "Philosophy" it is not even a Christian part of this website like "Christian Philosophy and Ethics"

that does make sense because Freemasonry is not Christian but rather holds to the ideals of the Enlightenment

and I do not really care for your antidotal evidence, you know Catholics who are Freemasons, ok?
I know Anglicans guys who live with their girlfriends, so what?
the fact that people sometimes do immoral things is not news to anyone

 

[Tallguy88]

we are talking about a topic that is deeply connected to the Catholic Church
and we are talking about it in the Catholic subforum because we want to hear Catholic views on it

the subforum you want it moved to is just "Philosophy" it is not even a Christian part of this website like "Christian Philosophy and Ethics"

that does make sense because Freemasonry is not Christian but rather holds to the ideals of the Enlightenment

and I do not really care for your antidotal evidence, you know Catholics who are Freemasons, ok?
I know Anglicans guys who live with their girlfriends, so what?
the fact that people sometimes do immoral things is not news to anyone

Perhaps Albion feels he cannot properly address the issues here without violating the rules of OBOB while at the same time Catholics have no such limitations in arguing against Masonry.

 

[Rhamiel]

Perhaps Albion feels he cannot properly address the issues here without violating the rules of OBOB while at the same time Catholics have no such limitations in arguing against Masonry.

The OP came here asking about why Catholics have issues with the Freemasons
as this is a Catholic subforum we are free to answer openly without having the teachings of our Faith contradicted by Freemasons

if Freemasons want to make their own thread in the Philosophy section and post a link on here, well I think that would be in keeping with the rules

but they should not be able to openly debate against the teachings of the Catholic Church in OBOB

if someone created a thread about why paganism is bad in OBOB would you want to have pagans arguing for idol worship?

so many Popes have spoken out against the Freemasons, it is should be clear to any Catholic that Freemasonry and the Christian Faith can not mix

 

[Tallguy88]

if someone created a thread about why paganism is bad in OBOB would you want to have pagans arguing for idol worship?

I would want them to be able to defend themselves...

 

[Simpleman25]

The OP came here asking about why Catholics have issues with the Freemasons
as this is a Catholic subforum we are free to answer openly without having the teachings of our Faith contradicted by Freemasons

if Freemasons want to make their own thread in the Philosophy section and post a link on here, well I think that would be in keeping with the rules

but they should not be able to openly debate against the teachings of the Catholic Church in OBOB

if someone created a thread about why paganism is bad in OBOB would you want to have pagans arguing for idol worship?

so many Popes have spoken out against the Freemasons, it is should be clear to any Catholic that Freemasonry and the Christian Faith can not mix

We did not move to another section so we can debate Catholicism. Moderators moved Freemasonry there so both sides can discuss the topic openly.

Freemasonry does not dislike Catholicism. Catholicism openly attacked Freemasonry.

I stated on here many times I know numerous Catholics that are masons. I don't judge men based on what religion they choose, and neither does Freemasonry.

 

[Lepanto]

I stated on here many times I know numerous Catholics that are masons. I don't judge men based on what religion they choose, and neither does Freemasonry.

It is a fact that Freemasonry is anti-Catholic.
They certainly would want to conceal its enmity and hatred
, that's the smart way to conquer. Only a foolish army would let the enemy knows
how it thinks.

That many Catholics go astray does not change the fact.
Some Catholics are even communists. That's part of the reasons why Our Lady
appeared so SAD in her apparitions, I believe.

 

[Simpleman25]

It is a fact that Freemasonry is anti-Catholic.
They certainly would want to conceal its enmity and hatred
, that's the smart way to conquer. Only a foolish army would let the enemy knows
how it thinks.

That many Catholics go astray does not change the fact.
Some Catholics are even communists. That's part of the reasons why Our Lady
appeared so SAD in her apparitions, I believe.

If you go back through history you will find that while the Catholic church forbid men from becoming masons, we've never said anything remotely close to this.

Instead of just stating that we're against Catholicism, why don't you show me some evidence?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Albion has already said that this needs to move to philosophy. But just so you know, the most recent Master of my lodge who just finished his year as Master is an active Roman Catholic. I've known a lot of Roman Catholic freemasons. The above just isn't true.

That same Past Master is also now a Grand Lodge officer.

Being a Catholic Freemason is anti-thetical and those folks need to repent and go to Confession...