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Joshua 10
Southern Cities Conquered

28 That day Joshua took Makkedah. He put the city and its king to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it. He left no survivors. And he did to the king of Makkedah as he had done to the king of Jericho.

29 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Makkedah to Libnah and attacked it. 30 The Lord also gave that city and its king into Israel’s hand. The city and everyone in it Joshua put to the sword. He left no survivors there. And he did to its king as he had done to the king of Jericho.

31 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Libnah to Lachish; he took up positions against it and attacked it. 32 The Lord gave Lachish into Israel’s hands, and Joshua took it on the second day. The city and everyone in it he put to the sword, just as he had done to Libnah. 33 Meanwhile, Horam king of Gezer had come up to help Lachish, but Joshua defeated him and his army—until no survivors were left.

34 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Lachish to Eglon; they took up positions against it and attacked it. 35 They captured it that same day and put it to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it, just as they had done to Lachish.

36 Then Joshua and all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. 37 They took the city and put it to the sword, together with its king, its villages and everyone in it. They left no survivors. Just as at Eglon, they totally destroyed it and everyone in it.

38 Then Joshua and all Israel with him turned around and attacked Debir. 39 They took the city, its king and its villages, and put them to the sword. Everyone in it they totally destroyed. They left no survivors. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its king and to Hebron.

40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded. 41 Joshua subdued them from Kadesh Barnea to Gaza and from the whole region of Goshen to Gibeon. 42 All these kings and their lands Joshua conquered in one campaign, because the Lord, the God of Israel, fought for Israel.

43 Then Joshua returned with all Israel to the camp at Gilgal.
 
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Deuteronomy 7
Driving Out the Nations
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

You can stop anytime.
 
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Ya ... we get the point.

If you're done giving examples, do you mind reconciling them with the Fifth Commandment?

It's quite simple really. Killing people is hard. Not the physical act of killing someone, but actually going through with it is psychologically difficult. It's why the military dehumanizes their adversaries as much as possible.

If you want your soldiers to obediently slaughter entire civilizations, including the unarmed women and children, then tell them that an all-powerful deity commands that they do this or will punish them if they fail.

People will commit great atrocities if they believe the responsibility lies elsewhere - with the authority figure that commanded them to do so. See also: The Milgram Experiment.

Milgram's Obedience to Authority Experiment 2009 1/3 - YouTube
 
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If you are an atheist that believes God sactioned acts of genocide in the Bible, this challenge is for you.

Reconcile ...

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

... with ...

Jeremiah 18:21 Therefore deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle.

I can take this one:

The bible is not a single book but instead a collection of works by many authors written over the course of several centuries. A variety of religious and moral views are presented by the various authors. In this case two disparate views are presented, one of the operation of civil society, the other of violent religious extremism.
 
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If you are an atheist that believes God sactioned acts of genocide in the Bible, this challenge is for you.

Reconcile ...

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

... with ...

Jeremiah 18:21 Therefore deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle.

God is telling humans not to kill. God commanded the second, so it is okay, because God gives so God can take away?

That is a common understanding.

Atheists do understand these explanations, they just disagree. :)
 
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Dwindling In Unbelief: How many has God killed? Complete list and estimated total (Including Apocryphal killings)
The real issue is who He leaves alive; since we all deserve death.
 
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What the heck does this thread have to do with science?
Nothing ... unless you want to consider something I'm sure you guys never thought of before: military science.

In any event, please keep your question in mind the next time you see someone harp on God and genocide.
 
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God is telling humans not to kill. God commanded the second, so it is okay, because God gives so God can take away?

That is a common understanding.

Atheists do understand these explanations, they just disagree. :)
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Those add up to three.

Monotheists.

Solid gold.

As in, way to look ... um ... entertaining.

You do know that atheists and unregenerates are one and the same?

Vet,

Would you mind, as a courtesy, informing me the next time your god tells you to kill the unregenerate? I want to be armed.
 
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