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Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?

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You are wrong, on this issue, Bro. I base this on the long history of the Papacy. The Antichrist could not be Islam, because it is not a professed Christian faith. The Antichrist has to profess to be Christian, but is not really Christian in reality. Its a close impersonator. Almost every Protestant commentator during the Reformation period ID'd the Pope as the Antichrist.

Um... I have to disagree. I agree the bishop of Rome is an "impersonator" of sorts. I know he is the "prince of this world" spoken of by Christ who has nothing in Him. However, He doesn't speak against Christ. He doesn't deny that Christ is the Son of God verbally, although they changed the begotten nature of Christ to being "eternally begotten."

The Bible says that anti-Christs deny the Son - they deny He came in the flesh, etc. This is true of many in the world, but not the Bishop of Rome. The Koran teaches that the Son was NOT resurrected, and that Allah does not have a son.
 
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The Bible says that anti-Christs deny the Son - they deny He came in the flesh, etc. This is true of many in the world, but not the Bishop of Rome..

No, they say Christ too upon His Deity the humanity of Adam before the fall. Hence Christ as God did not assume our fallen humanity - the humanity that need redeeming from the curse of the law.

Because they teach this false gospel Christ becomes the believer's example, not His redeemer. When this focus is misplaced legalism always ensues.
 
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Here's the best I've seen on the Sabbath. It will take a bit of reading. It is not legalistic at all:

Hebrews 4:1-13 (Part 1)

Here's a small sample of what this Pastor states:

"I am talking to Seventh-day Adventists. It is possible for you to keep that day (the Sabbath) and be lost."

PS: There are four parts: (part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4 and his conclusion)

Get back with me when you guys/gals read all this....Then I'll defend the Sabbath in the light of the gospel, not the law.
 
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Here's a sample taken from part 4:


Today, there are many sincere Christians who are keeping the wrong day for the right reason. Do you know that? We have made the Sunday/Sabbath issue an issue between Sunday-keeping Christians and Sabbath-keeping Christians. That’s not the issue. The issue is between the church which is the body of Christ and the world which is under Satan. But today there is confusion.

There are many millions of Christians who are keeping the wrong day but for the right reason. They are resting in God’s provision in Jesus Christ, but they are keeping the wrong day. They don’t realize it.

Likewise, others, equally sincere, are keeping the right day for the wrong reason. Many are keeping the Sabbath, hoping that it will take them to heaven. Keeping the day won’t take anyone to heaven because nobody keeps the Sabbath so strictly as the Jews. They are very meticulous. I’m talking of the orthodox Jew.

But before the end comes the true gospel of righteousness by faith will be restored and preached for a witness. In other words, when the true gospel is preached in all its clarity there will be no more confusion. Then every person, Christian and non-Christian, will have to make a choice between life and death, between God and Satan, between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of this world. There will be no confusion then. That’s the direction we need to point in. We need to lay the foundation because when the issue comes, Sister [Ellen G.] White says in Great Controversy that the arguments have already been presented but now they see it, and they take their stand. Thousands will join the Sabbath-keepers because they were sincere in resting in Christ although keeping the wrong day. And thousands who belong to the right day will join the other camp because they were keeping it for the wrong reason. So there is going to be an exchange and we know that it is going to come.

So the fundamental issue is between righteousness by faith and righteousness by works. I have some very strong statements from the Spirit of Prophecy but I would like to remind you of a statement I have in the back of my Bible which is dealing indirectly with this issue. We are told that, “When the end comes, only one truth will prevail, one interest will prevail, one subject will swallow up every other—Christ Our Righteousness.” Review and Herald Extra, 23 December 1890.

When that happens, every human being will have to take a stand. At that time, the Sabbath will point to resting in God and Sunday will be pointing to resting in man. It is not the Sunday-keeping Christians who will make the Sunday law. It is the world who will make the Sunday law. It is true that apostate Christianity will give them all the encouragement but it is the world that will make the decision. They will say that Sunday has to be kept. When this happens the two concepts of salvation will polarize and will be in conflict again like it was in the New Testament.

At that time, the Sabbath will become the seal of God or righteousness by faith in contradiction to Sunday which is the mark of the beast. The beast is simply an agent for the dragon, who is Satan. Satan gives power to the beast. So the real boss of the world is Satan. The great controversy will come into focus in a final conflict between these two groups.

What will Sabbath represent and what will Sunday represent? The Sabbath will represent “saved in Christ.” Sunday will represent “unbelief in Christ”—a deliberate, wilful rejection of God’s grace.

When the Sunday law is established, it will signify mankind’s deliberate and wilful rejection of God’s saving grace in Christ. This is the abomination that maketh desolate. We know that the earth will be desolate. What is it that makes it desolate? The abomination.
 
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BTW, most Traditional & Historic 7th-day Adventists hate the author of the material I've given you. In fact I've already been approached by one. He pretty much stated I need to return to the church and denounce Jack's views.

Well, if the majority of Adventists weren't legalistic I would gladly attend, but the truth is they are caught up into a subtle form of salvation by works...especially their view on the Sabbath. This man is attempting to correct that....That's why he is hated.

Keep in mind Paul was hated by the Jews

Keep in mind Luther was hated by the leaders of the RCC

That's why Jack Sequeira is hated by many of his own.

Other churches (even though they don't agree on all points) love him to come and preach the gospel. He is more welcome by other denominations than his own....Sad.

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You are wrong, on this issue, Bro. I base this on the long history of the Papacy. The Antichrist could not be Islam, because it is not a professed Christian faith. The Antichrist has to profess to be Christian, but is not really Christian in reality. Its a close impersonator. Almost every Protestant commentator during the Reformation period ID'd the Pope as the Antichrist.

Here is a list of the most well known Reformers:

Theodore Beza
Martin Bucer
Heinrich Bullinger
Johannes Hus
John Calvin
Andreas von Carlstadt, later a Radical Reformer
Wolfgang Fabricius Capito
Martin Chemnitz
Thomas Cranmer
William Farel
Matthias Flacius
Caspar Hedio
Justus Jonas
John Knox
Jan Łaski
Martin Luther
Philipp Melanchthon
Johannes Oecolampadius
Peter Martyr
Aonio Paleario
Laurentius Petri
Olaus Petri
John Wycliffe
William Tyndale
Joachim Vadian
Pierre Viret
Huldrych Zwingli

Islam fits the Antichrist perfectly. There are also ancient Bible scholars who also recognized Islam as the beast and Antichrist. The Antichrist will be Anti Trinity, Anti crucifixion, Anti God in the flesh, and Anti Son of God. In fact, the apostle John said an antichrist denies the Father and the Son. When has the pope ever denied the Father and the Son? Yet Muslims hate this doctrine more than any other religion. Not only that, but I can quote tons of end time prophecies from the Old Testament that shows Jesus fighting against Islamic nations in the end times. I can show you these end time verses straight from the Bible.
 
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No, they say Christ too upon His Deity the humanity of Adam before the fall. Hence Christ as God did not assume our fallen humanity - the humanity that need redeeming from the curse of the law.

Because they teach this false gospel Christ becomes the believer's example, not His redeemer. When this focus is misplaced legalism always ensues.
 
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Islam fits the Antichrist perfectly. There are also ancient Bible scholars who also recognized Islam as the beast and Antichrist. The Antichrist will be Anti Trinity, Anti crucifixion, Anti God in the flesh, and Anti Son of God. In fact, the apostle John said an antichrist denies the Father and the Son. When has the pope ever denied the Father and the Son? Yet Muslims hate this doctrine more than any other religion. Not only that, but I can quote tons of end time prophecies from the Old Testament that shows Jesus fighting against Islamic nations in the end times. I can show you these end time verses straight from the Bible.
Non-Christian Orthodox Judaism also fits that bill ;)



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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Tadoflamb :D
I believe Sunday worhip is mark of the beast
RibI, Rick Otto, Stryder06, tadoflamb, TruthWave7, UkraineGirl11
Seeing as he has voted in every option there; I agree :D. And :thumbsup:.
Dang it! I didn't realize I made it where one could vote for more than one option! :doh:


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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Since a thread on this topic was closed by the OP awhile back, I thought I would start one it.
The below is the OP of that thread and would like to ask if this view is held by only a few sects/denominations within Christianity or is it more widespread?
I never heard of this view until I saw it on another thread.
So how many here agree with this "Sunday being the mark of the Beast?
Originally Posted by TruthWarrior
No, that is nonsense. I use to believe it myself, but I realized I was in error. I do believe in keeping the 7th day Sabbath because it's one of the ten commandments, but Sunday worship is NOT the mark of the beast. The early Christians would gather together on both the Sabbath and Sunday to worship God. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday. In the book of Acts, there is a verse where the apostles would gather together seven days a week.

Originally Posted by GladiatorforGod
You are wrong, on this issue, Bro. I base this on the long history of the Papacy. The Antichrist could not be Islam, because it is not a professed Christian faith. The Antichrist has to profess to be Christian, but is not really Christian in reality. Its a close impersonator. Almost every Protestant commentator during the Reformation period ID'd the Pope as the Antichrist.
Originally Posted by TruthWarrior
Islam fits the Antichrist perfectly.
Non-Christian Orthodox Judaism also fits that bill ;)

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Whatever tickles your fancy I guess :thumbsup:
Threads like these always tickle my fancy :)




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Stryder06 said:
Check back with me when incidents like this are wide spread and the laws are actually passed:

A lot of these churches of the South Pacific are corrupt. I know, I live here. The pastors are always from the same families and the villagers are put to shame if they don't appear to out give each other despite the fact that they live in triple digit inflation economies. The cultural strength of these people normally outweighs any church they attend. For example the cultural traditions of island courtesy demand that Mormons, JWs Catholics and evangelicals ignore their differences to maintain the island societal ways of living off of the land. The fact that the government is intervening is not the result of doctrinal confidence but the attempt to keep the richest members of their societies in their positions.
 
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A lot of these churches of the South Pacific are corrupt. I know, I live here. The pastors are always from the same families and the villagers are put to shame if they don't appear to out give each other despite the fact that they live in triple digit inflation economies. The cultural strength of these people normally outweighs any church they attend. For example the cultural traditions of island courtesy demand that Mormons, JWs Catholics and evangelicals ignore their differences to maintain the island societal ways of living off of the land. The fact that the government is intervening is not the result of doctrinal confidence but the attempt to keep the richest members of their societies in their positions.
What does that have to with Sunday worship being the mark of the beast in Revelation?
Just curious.



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Shameless bump...........:blush:


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Here's my position:

Even though Enforced Sunday worship makes sense to be the 'Mark of the Beast' in some ways...it doesn't make sense with the second part of the prophecy having to do with buying and selling. How do you connect a specific enforced day of worship to financial transactions? Second of all..how do you even enforce a specific worship day..as I can think of a few situations where someone can not attend that is beyond their control.

We will only truly know what is the 'Mark of the Beast' when 'something' is required by law (globally) and carries the death penalty (globally). Regardless if it's enforced Sunday laws or an RFID implant..either one will require a literal mountain of laws to be repealed to make either one possible.
 
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Here's my position:

Even though Enforced Sunday worship makes sense to be the 'Mark of the Beast' in some ways...it doesn't make sense with the second part of the prophecy having to do with buying and selling. How do you connect a specific enforced day of worship to financial transactions? Second of all..how do you even enforce a specific worship day..as I can think of a few situations where someone can not attend that is beyond their control.

We will only truly know what is the 'Mark of the Beast' when 'something' is required by law (globally) and carries the death penalty (globally). Regardless if it's enforced Sunday laws or an RFID implant..either one will require a literal mountain of laws to be repealed to make either one possible.

Keep in mind John's original readers. He gives them a wink and a nudge when he says, "Let him who has wisdom..."; that is the Beast and his name is something the original readers should be able to figure out. Thus the mark is something that would have been comprehensible and present in John's day.

So Sunday or RFID chips are probably out of the question.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Now there's a novel idea .. either the Christian church is the beast .. or the Adventists are blaspheming the holy spirit . just brilliant .

sounds like a lose-lose proposition to me.
 
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Here's my position:

Even though Enforced Sunday worship makes sense to be the 'Mark of the Beast' in some ways...it doesn't make sense with the second part of the prophecy having to do with buying and selling. How do you connect a specific enforced day of worship to financial transactions?
Second of all..how do you even enforce a specific worship day..as I can think of a few situations where someone can not attend that is beyond their control.

We will only truly know what is the 'Mark of the Beast' when 'something' is required by law (globally) and carries the death penalty (globally).

Regardless if it's enforced Sunday laws or an RFID implant..either one will require a literal mountain of laws to be repealed to make either one possible.
Great post!
The SDAs, IMHO, are infatuated with the Jewish sabbath Fri-Sat sabbath.

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Keep in mind John's original readers. He gives them a wink and a nudge when he says, "Let him who has wisdom..."; that is the Beast and his name is something the original readers should be able to figure out. Thus the mark is something that would have been comprehensible and present in John's day.

So Sunday or RFID chips are probably out of the question.

-CryptoLutheran
Now there's a novel idea .. either the Christian church is the beast .. or the Adventists are blaspheming the holy spirit . just brilliant .

sounds like a lose-lose proposition to me.
Or they are just confused.........



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