Is Creationism a Fairy Tale?

[nuttypiglet]

What have you read?

I read this.

Natural History Collections: FLIGHTLESS BIRDS

And it indicates that flightless birds, like the ostrich and emu, came from flying ancestors. But I'm interested to see your source.

Perhaps it's the dating which is causing all the problems and making darwin evolution seem real. Let me give a hypothesis.
Thousands of years ago, not millions, there were no dinosaurs. Not one. There were no creatures eating meat at all. 200 Angels had been appointed by God to watch over the Earth and keep an eye on mankind. However, after many years of this they lusted after the daughters of men and decided to assume physical form and join them. This meant leaving their eternal realm forever, but they were driven by lust of the flesh. They taught men and women many new techniques, from advanced agriculture to art/music. Fine, until they started having children with Earth women. This was forbidden by God, and the results were evil beings called the Nephilim. They were taught many secrets by their Fathers including DNA engineering, they were there at the creation. They created lots of creatures, large ones, and meat eating. When humans could no longer feed them due to population growth of the Nephilim, they turned to men for food and ate them. The Nephilim also toyed with the dna of humans and had children of their own. Just one family was unblemished, and a handful of creatures. These were saved by God to continue after a flood. All the other mess was destroyed. The Nephilim spread out over the continents before the flood, making their own empires and demanding worship.
Perhaps this explains why we see ancient relics clearly showing dinosaurs on them. Perhaps this is why many ancient cultures speak of giant men. Perhaps this is why large human like skeletons are quickly hidden away by authoririties in evolution, to hide the evidence.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I solved one dilemma, it's someone else's turn.

Perhaps you're confused -- "solving" a dilemma would involve putting forth an answer that works. Yours didn't.

 

[lasthero]

Perhaps it's the dating which is causing all the problems and making darwin evolution seem real.

Nothing in your rambling hypothesis deals with dating, so I'm confused why you started with this.

Thousands of years ago, not millions, there were no dinosaurs. Not one.

Then where did they come from? Nothing below this ever gets to explaining that.

There were no creatures eating meat at all.

There were herbivorous dinosaurs, so I don't see the relevance of pointing this out.

200 Angels had been appointed by God to watch over the Earth and keep an eye on mankind.

Why 200? Where is this coming from? Also, why does an omnipresent god need angels to keep an eye on mankind? He's perfectly capable of doing that himself.

However, after many years of this they lusted after the daughters of men and decided to assume physical form and join them. This meant leaving their eternal realm forever, but they were driven by lust of the flesh.

Yeah, sure why, not. Don't see what this has to do with dinosaurs or birds or anything, but whatever.

. They were taught many secrets by their Fathers including DNA engineering, they were there at the creation.

So, let me get this straight. Your hypothesis is:

Angels had sex with humans.
Humans had Nephilim.
Nephilim were capable of genetic engineering to such an advanced that they could create mutant abominations out of...I don't know, you never specify how they did this.

But yeah - evidence? Because even if I assume that Nephilim existed, it's a big leap to say they had genetic engineering technology and created dinosaurs.

hey created lots of creatures, large ones, and meat eating.

Again, not all dinosaurs ate meat, so...

The Nephilim also toyed with the dna of humans

How?

Just one family was unblemished, and a handful of creatures.

Why were any creatures blemished? Did the Nephilim have sex with animals, too?

And wait a minute - if the angels had sex with humans, they would have to have a sexual organ of some kind, right? I'm guessing genitals, but they would need something to impregnate human women. But there aren't any female angels, as far as I know - they're all male. So why would God build angels with a sexual organ if he doesn't want them impregnating human women and creating Nephilim?

Perhaps this explains why we see ancient relics clearly showing dinosaurs on them.

Such as? Because I've seen a few such artifacts, and the only ones I'm aware of are hoaxes like the Ica stones, or are pictures of creatures that, at best, vaguely resemble dinosaurs.

Perhaps this is why many ancient cultures speak of giant men.

Ancient cultures speak of a lot of things that didn't actually exist. What's your point?

Perhaps this is why large human like skeletons are quickly hidden away by authoririties in evolution, to hide the evidence.

Or maybe they just don't exist in the first place.

What 'authorities in evolution'? What are you talking about? Any evidence for this accusation? Why would people be hiding giant human skeletons? If you found something like that, you would be rich - dirty, stinking rich. It would be the most incredible find in all of paleontology. You could pretty much name your price, and any museum would pay it. At the very least, I could name some creationists with quite a bit of money to spend who would give you their firstborn child in exchange for something like this.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Perhaps it's the dating which is causing all the problems and making darwin evolution seem real.

It does seem to be the fly in the creationists' ointment.

Let me give a hypothesis.

Fire away.

Thousands of years ago, not millions, there were no dinosaurs. Not one. There were no creatures eating meat at all. 200 Angels had been appointed by God to watch over the Earth and keep an eye on mankind.

200 you say? How did you come to that number?

However, after many years of this they lusted after the daughters of men and decided to assume physical form and join them. This meant leaving their eternal realm forever, but they were driven by lust of the flesh.

Just so we're clear -- was this all 200, a portion of the 200, or 200 out of a bigger number, or what?

They taught men and women many new techniques, from advanced agriculture to art/music.

That would suggest that man didn't come up with such techniques on their own -- the introduction of supernatural entities suggests that men weren't capable of doing so. That where you're going with this?

Also, the one who taught them about fire -- was his name Prometheus, by any chance?

Fine, until they started having children with Earth women. This was forbidden by God, and the results were evil beings called the Nephilim.

But of course! Giving away all Gods secrets -- fire, the wheel, agriculture -- was all fine and dandy, but once they started having S-E-X... well, that cannot be allowed!

And why exactly were the Nephhilim evil? Were they all evil down to the last one? Are some people just born evil? Is there an "evil" gene passed down from the angels? Why would God create angels with an "evil" gene anyway?

They were taught many secrets by their Fathers including DNA engineering, they were there at the creation.

And the humans didn't get this education?

They created lots of creatures, large ones, and meat eating. When humans could no longer feed them due to population growth of the Nephilim, they turned to men for food and ate them. The Nephilim also toyed with the dna of humans and had children of their own.

Cool story, bro.

Just one family was unblemished, and a handful of creatures. These were saved by God to continue after a flood.

and how did this one family and handful of creatures get so lucky? How did they stay isolated from the evil experiments of the big, bad Nephilim?

All the other mess was destroyed. The Nephilim spread out over the continents before the flood, making their own empires and demanding worship.
Perhaps this explains why we see ancient relics clearly showing dinosaurs on them. Perhaps this is why many ancient cultures speak of giant men.

Perhaps --- or perhaps there's another reason...

Perhaps this is why large human like skeletons are quickly hidden away by authoririties in evolution, to hide the evidence.

How well can they be hidden if you've seen them. You have seen them, right? You're not just making this up, or hitching your wagon to others who made this up?

But let's recap:

You claim the problem with evolution is dating methods and a institutional conspiracy to hide the evidence conducted with complete and utter incompetence.

Your alternative "hypothesis" contains:

• Supernatural creatures from another realm
• Forbidden love
• The sharing of arcane knowledge
• The offspring of humans and higher beings
• A race of beings dubbed "evil" by their very existence
• divine retribution for the breaking of an arbitrary rule
• the creation and subsequent unleashing of monsters
• The spreading of this evil across the entire land
• the existence of a single "unblemished" hero figure
• And of course, a massive, historical, worldwide conspiracy to hide all of this... which you just cracked wide open.

Now, the title of the thread is "Is Creationism a Fairy Tale?" Refresh my memory... which side are you on?

 

[OllieFranz]

Perhaps it's the dating which is causing all the problems and making darwin evolution seem real. Let me give a hypothesis.
Thousands of years ago, not millions, there were no dinosaurs. Not one. There were no creatures eating meat at all. 200 Angels had been appointed by God to watch over the Earth and keep an eye on mankind. However, after many years of this they lusted after the daughters of men and decided to assume physical form and join them. This meant leaving their eternal realm forever, but they were driven by lust of the flesh. They taught men and women many new techniques, from advanced agriculture to art/music. Fine, until they started having children with Earth women. This was forbidden by God, and the results were evil beings called the Nephilim. They were taught many secrets by their Fathers including DNA engineering, they were there at the creation. They created lots of creatures, large ones, and meat eating. When humans could no longer feed them due to population growth of the Nephilim, they turned to men for food and ate them. The Nephilim also toyed with the dna of humans and had children of their own. Just one family was unblemished, and a handful of creatures. These were saved by God to continue after a flood. All the other mess was destroyed. The Nephilim spread out over the continents before the flood, making their own empires and demanding worship.
Perhaps this explains why we see ancient relics clearly showing dinosaurs on them. Perhaps this is why many ancient cultures speak of giant men. Perhaps this is why large human like skeletons are quickly hidden away by authoririties in evolution, to hide the evidence.

That story is so fantastic it is difficult to discuss it soberly.* I do have a couple of serious questions, though.

200 is an oddly specific number. Where did it come from?

Why do you think that the Mammoth skeletons (which were re-buried by ancients who thought they were gigantic one-eyed humanoids [cyclopses] or legendary demi-gods [Hercules, Perseus, etc.] and so arranged the bones as though the beasts were bipedal) are hidden away? If they are hidden, how did we hear about them? You can probably even find the pictures if you search the web.

 

[nuttypiglet]

That story is so fantastic it is difficult to discuss it soberly.* I do have a couple of serious questions, though.

200 is an oddly specific number. Where did it come from?

Why do you think that the Mammoth skeletons (which were re-buried by ancients who thought they were gigantic one-eyed humanoids [cyclopses] or legendary demi-gods [Hercules, Perseus, etc.] and so arranged the bones as though the beasts were bipedal) are hidden away? If they are hidden, how did we hear about them? You can probably even find the pictures if you search the web.

200 is the number quoted in the book of Enoch, they were the watchers.
For one, 60 skeletons of large humanoid creatures were removed from a cave, helped by locals, never to be seen again once the museums got their hands on them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

200 is the number quoted in the book of Enoch, they were the watchers.

Ah, so it's from a story from a book. Well, that sets the "fairy tale" talk to rest...

For one, 60 skeletons of large humanoid creatures were removed from a cave, helped by locals, never to be seen again once the museums got their hands on them.

Never to be seen again? oooo... spooky. And you heard of this from where?

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps you're confused -- "solving" a dilemma would involve putting forth an answer that works. Yours didn't.

Perhaps you could show me where it fails?

 

[lasthero]

200 is the number quoted in the book of Enoch, they were the watchers.

Did they look like this?

At any rate, why are you using the noncanonical book of Enoch as a reference?

For one, 60 skeletons of large humanoid creatures

Sixty? Exactly 60? You know there were exactly sixty of them...how?

were removed from a cave,

Where?

helped by locals

Who?

never to be seen again once the museums got their hands on them.

Again, why would museums hide what would assuredly be one of, if not THE, greatest finds in human history? Museums are typically interested in making money, and displaying something like this would make a LOT of money.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Perhaps you could show me where it fails?

flightless birds buried above the ones that fly.

 

[nuttypiglet]

Ah, so it's from a story from a book. Well, that sets the "fairy tale" talk to rest...



Never to be seen again? oooo... spooky. And you heard of this from where?

and you can prove that I assume

 

[lasthero]

and you can prove that I assume

Prove what? It's your nutball story. You prove it.

 

[Sasquatchit]

I use that verse often.

Here's one of them:

I love ur quote! Too bad people have trouble understanding this....

"THE BIBLE SAYS IT ... THAT SETTLES IT" ​

 

[TLK Valentine]

and you can prove that I assume

Prove what, nuttypiglet?

ETA, I was going to get informal and simply refer to you as "nutty," but I didn't want to get reported -- people will think I meant it as a descriptive term, not a shortened version of your username.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Prove what? It's your nutball story. You prove it.

I'm curious about that too -- but then again, it wouldn't be the first time they demanded that we do their homework for them.

 

[nuttypiglet]

It does seem to be the fly in the creationists' ointment.



Fire away.



200 you say? How did you come to that number?



Just so we're clear -- was this all 200, a portion of the 200, or 200 out of a bigger number, or what?



That would suggest that man didn't come up with such techniques on their own -- the introduction of supernatural entities suggests that men weren't capable of doing so. That where you're going with this?

Also, the one who taught them about fire -- was his name Prometheus, by any chance?



But of course! Giving away all Gods secrets -- fire, the wheel, agriculture -- was all fine and dandy, but once they started having S-E-X... well, that cannot be allowed!

And why exactly were the Nephhilim evil? Were they all evil down to the last one? Are some people just born evil? Is there an "evil" gene passed down from the angels? Why would God create angels with an "evil" gene anyway?



And the humans didn't get this education?



Cool story, bro.



and how did this one family and handful of creatures get so lucky? How did they stay isolated from the evil experiments of the big, bad Nephilim?



Perhaps --- or perhaps there's another reason...



How well can they be hidden if you've seen them. You have seen them, right? You're not just making this up, or hitching your wagon to others who made this up?

But let's recap:

You claim the problem with evolution is dating methods and a institutional conspiracy to hide the evidence conducted with complete and utter incompetence.

Your alternative "hypothesis" contains:

• Supernatural creatures from another realm
• Forbidden love
• The sharing of arcane knowledge
• The offspring of humans and higher beings
• A race of beings dubbed "evil" by their very existence
• divine retribution for the breaking of an arbitrary rule
• the creation and subsequent unleashing of monsters
• The spreading of this evil across the entire land
• the existence of a single "unblemished" hero figure
• And of course, a massive, historical, worldwide conspiracy to hide all of this... which you just cracked wide open.

Now, the title of the thread is "Is Creationism a Fairy Tale?" Refresh my memory... which side are you on?

Why would you think evil is a gene? Evil is choice and Angels/humans have something called free will. Noah and his family were taken by the Archangel Michael to an area of safety and watched over. However, the biggest thing which affected the progress of the Nephilim was Enoch's actions. He was returned to the Earth and told by God to deliver a message to the watchers. They would witness the destruction of their offspring, then be locked up until judgement day, then destroyed. They were trembling with fear. Noah with his wife, three sons and their wives were not hero's they were righteous, still following the word of God and worshipping him.
If you look at this it fits evolution perfectly. Tiny reptiles suddenly explode into many hundreds of huge dinosaurs through evolution, in a pretty short space of time? I don't think so. Evolution seems to be on the back burner, not doing anything, then suddenly decides it's time for an explosion of new life. It isn't meant to work like that. Look at the amount of life forms that exploded into existence over a so called period of 150 million years (small for that number of branches), yet that's what we are supposed to believe.

 

[Sasquatchit]

No it isn't


You are kidding, right? You do realise what "upright" means in this context? Or maybe not, so here it is:
That hardly has any connection to evolution, has it?

I kid not!! It is what it is....

I am only sorry that ur not comprehinding it; perhaps ur not wanting to, simply bec it doesn't fit into the politically correct, anthropological lie.

 

[AV1611VET]

flightless birds buried above the ones that fly.

That's not the scenario I put forth, and flightless birds were not introduced into the conversation until after I had responded; a tactic that told me the question was baited.

Once again, perhaps you can tell me where it* fails?

* My scenario.

 

[lasthero]

Why would you think evil is a gene?

You called the Nephilim 'evil beings'. That sort of implies that 'evil' is a trait that they naturally possess.

This was forbidden by God, and the results were evil beings called the Nephilim.

If they weren't naturally evil, did they all just grow up and happen to decide to be that way? Nobody ever managed to raise a non-evil Nephilim?

. Tiny reptiles suddenly explode into many hundreds of huge dinosaurs through evolution

If you're talking about the Cambrian explosion, that's not how it happened, but whatever.

It isn't meant to work like that.

Who says? You?

 

[lasthero]

Why would you think evil is a gene?

You called the Nephilim 'evil beings'. That sort of implies that 'evil' is a trait that they naturally possess.

This was forbidden by God, and the results were evil beings called the Nephilim.

If they weren't naturally evil, did they all just grow up and happen to decide to be that way? Nobody ever managed to raise a non-evil Nephilim?

. Tiny reptiles suddenly explode into many hundreds of huge dinosaurs through evolution

If you're talking about the Cambrian explosion, that's not how it happened, but whatever.

It isn't meant to work like that.

Who says? You?