Christ had nothing to with Christmas and its a pagan holiday?!? Nimrod related.

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The 37 years of Catholic Church I attended obfuscated the message.

The fear you are describing is the fear of falling back into my sinful life when I use to party at Christmas time.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus ought to set one free from the law of sin and of death. One who is in Christ need never fear days nor run from celebrating Christ's advent. If 37 years in the Catholic Church failed to teach the preciousness of Christian freedom then that is a tragedy. The joy of Christ's advent, the wonder of his presence first in body and then through the Spirit ought to set one free. I invite all who read these words to come, come to the water of life and drink of it freely. The gospel is still preached and Christ is still lifted up in the Church, if you have strayed away do not be afraid to come home. The Father is looking for such people, on the road, and when they are seen approaching no greater feast and no greater celebration can be had on this Earth this side of the second advent - which we celebrate around Christmas season.
 
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It is indeed true that the Christ coming into this world is good news.
But not worth celebrating, right?

The news would be incomplete if it did not include the resurrection.
But no need to pay any special attention to the Resurrection either, huh?

I'm not going to discourage you from what you believe.
True dat.
 
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Jipsah, the condition of my mind had 37 years of RCC indoctrination to unwind. After I stopped preforming rituals. I started studying the Bible.
A shame you hadn't started reading the Bible while you were a nominal Catholic. You might have come to understand what the rituals were all about.

But honestly, your notions on the keeping of Christian feasts didn't come from reading Scripture, did they? They came from the sect you joined, and you "proof texted" the rest. Right?
 
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3. God hates that is highly esteemed by men (Luke 16:15)
And thus God hates blue skies, green grass, the sea breeze, laughter, love, friendship, generosity, compassion... you get the idea. Wanna try again?
I never tire of reprinting this . . . .

This by far is the #1 most common argument I get regarding defending Christmas and its Pagan roots. It also is the easiest to refute.

One more time, you are making a false equivalency argument. Blue skies, green grass, ad nauseum, are not pagan in origin and brought into the church by the Roman Catholic Church and institutionalized and called righteous.

that verse . . . does not state that just because something is popular that means it is necessarily evil

NASB15 And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.

Luke 16:15 N-NNS
BIB: ἀνθρώποις ὑψηλὸν βδέλυγμα ἐνώπιον τοῦ
NAS: men is detestable in the sight
KJV: is abomination in the sight
INT: men [is] exalted [is] an abomination before

The verse could also be translated as 'if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God.'

What is the most popular holiday in the history of human civilization?

CHRISTMAS!!
 
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I never tire of reprinting this . . . .

This by far is the #1 most common argument I get regarding defending Christmas and its Pagan roots. It also is the easiest to refute.

One more time, you are making a false equivalency argument. Blue skies, green grass, ad nauseum, are not pagan in origin and brought into the church by the Roman Catholic Church and institutionalized and called righteous.

You slapping the label of "false equivalency" on every argument that you do not like or perceive as linked to Catholicism does not mean it is actually true either.
 
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Not the thread, but have you ever heard of the Papacy or filique? EO and RC disagree on those two doctrines.

Back to Christmas.
I don't think the idea of the Papacy is lost on the Orthodox. They have a leader they follow too, right?

And some would say that the Filioque question is a matter of theological perspective. Sorta like the differences between Protestants and Catholics, wouldn't you say?
 
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I don't think the idea of the Papacy is lost on the Orthodox. They have a leader they follow too, right?
We follow the bishop we are under. The bishops answer to the synod. The synod answers to God. If we have "a" leader we follow, that would be Christ.
And some would say that the Filioque question is a matter of theological perspective. Sorta like the differences between Protestants and Catholics, wouldn't you say?
I wouldn't, and neither does my bishop.
 
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We follow the bishop we are under. The bishops answer to the synod. The synod answers to God. If we have "a" leader we follow, that would be Christ.
I wouldn't, and neither does my bishop.

Right. But some would, and do. And we also follow the bishop we are under. So for someone to suggest that we're so far divided is wrong. We're more united than divided, which is my point. Not to make light of the differences.
 
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God hates that is highly esteemed by men (Luke 16:15)
And thus God hates blue skies, green grass, the sea breeze, laughter, love, friendship, generosity, compassion... you get the idea. Wanna try again?
I never tire of reprinting this . . . .

This by far is the #1 most common argument I get regarding defending Christmas and its Pagan roots. It also is the easiest to refute.

One more time, you are making a false equivalency argument. Blue skies, green grass, ad nauseum, are not pagan in origin and brought into the church by the Roman Catholic Church and institutionalized and called righteous.

that verse . . . does not state that just because something is popular that means it is necessarily evil
NASB15 And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.

Luke 16:15 N-NNS
BIB: ἀνθρώποις ὑψηλὸν βδέλυγμα ἐνώπιον τοῦ
NAS: men is detestable in the sight
KJV: is abomination in the sight
INT: men [is] exalted [is] an abomination before

The verse could also be translated as 'if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God.'

What is the most popular holiday in the history of human civilization?

CHRISTMAS!!
You slapping the label of "false equivalency" on every argument that you do not like or perceive as linked to Catholicism does not mean it is actually true either.
You would be more persuasive if you could demonstrate that the following statement is false because . . .

Luke 16:15 could also be translated as 'if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God.'

The passage reads like this:
"He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much. If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will entrust to you the true riches? And if you have not been faithful in that which is another's, who will give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all this, and they scoffed at him. But he said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God." (Luke 16:10-15 RSV)​
The words of Christ are in red text.

The above post says that the last part of the passage written in red text can be translated as,
"if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God."​
But that is wrong.

The claimed translation has a lot missing. It isn't a translation. It isn't a paraphrase because too much has been removed to parallel the words of Christ. It is a slogan; nothing more and nothing less.

It's also wrong because it is part of an argument that completely fails to deal with the content of Jipsa's post and Rhamiel's post. The passage does not claim that what is popular is an abomination in God's sight. That's specious reasoning. What the passage teaches is that no one can hide their true motives from God even if they manage to gain the approval of the crowds their evil intention is known to God and he hates it.

If one applies the lesson of the passage to the celebration of Christ's advent from a good heart that is motivated by love for God then the true nature of the blanket condemnation of Christmas offered in the post quoted above can be seen for what it is; nothing less than an attempt to bind the consciences of Christians with fear of pagan days and pagan gods. That is the thing that God hates according to the teaching of Christ in Luke 16:15.
 
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Right. But some would, and do.
Care to name them? We've had the question of the filioque discussed by a general synod which does not agree with your claims, so if any bishops do believe otherwise, they are stepping outside the limits agreed by their authority.
And we also follow the bishop we are under. So for someone to suggest that we're so far divided is wrong.
I disagree. As Patriarch Bartholomew stated at Georgetown University, the manner in which our churches exist has become ontollogically different.
 
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What does gay marriage have to do with Christmas and Nimrod?
Comic relief?

...But seriously. Ever since I was a little kid, way before I heard of theology or Jehova's Witnesses, I pegged birthdays (including Christmas) as hyped up social events. I could never give myself over to them. So even when I'm doubting the pagan connection, My memories are of manufactured sentiment and unrealistic expectation.
 
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5. If you have a self-professed pagan, secular, agnostic, atheist on your christmas list, you are denying Christ (Eph 5:11).

. . . your contention is . . . unsupported by the Scripture cited.


"And who is it that celebrates "Christmas"? The whole "civilized world." Millions who make no profession of faith in the blood of the Lamb, who "despise and reject Him," and millions more who while claiming to be His followers yet in works deny Him (Eph 5:11), join in merrymaking under the pretense of honoring the birth of the Lord Jesus (Eph 5:17-18). Putting it on its lowest ground, we would ask, Is it fitting that His friends should unite with His enemies in a worldly round of fleshly gratification? Does any truly born-again soul really think that He whom the world cast out is either pleased or glorified by such participation in the world's joys? Verily, "the customs of the people are vain"; and it is written, "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil." (Ex. 23:2)"

XMAS
by A. W. Pink
(1886-1952)
 
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5. If you have a self-professed pagan, secular, agnostic, atheist on your christmas list, you are denying Christ (Eph 5:11).
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I never tire of reprinting this . . . .
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Oh dear. Another zombie thread awakened by Eph4:26 who says in an earlier post that he never tires of repeating this ...

;)
 
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So as people know I was simply not into christmas because of the commercialism stuff and how far its come. But today I heard a popular radio speaker (christian) who spoke about easter and christmas being pagan holidays based around one women (can't remember her name, she supposedly had a virgin birth also) and her son named Nimrod. Part of the celebration involved putting up trees with stuff on them, giving gifts...etc. And in the case of easter they painted eggs...etc.

Heres a small article here while I try to find this preachers notes on it.
Is Christmas Christian? | Magazine Article | Tomorrow's World

I'm not into such deep bible study because of my brain injury so its hard for me to remember this stuff. But if Christmas is based on this pagan stuff then why do most christians celebrate it? This really changes my views entirely on why I should not celebrate christmas since Christ was never part of it to begin with.

What are your views about Nimrod and Christmas...etc? Lets try not to fight about this btw. Just looking for opinions and views since I have never heard this Nimrod thing before.

my thoughts are that it doesn't matter ... if one is still celebrating and honoring Jesus ... the date is moot ... and who whats is moot ... He will only be wanting what we believe of Him when we stand before Him ... who we worshipped ... not what someone else believed and worshipped ... unless one is a teacher or pastor ... teaching an untruth ... judgement begins at the pulpit ...
 
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I think Eph's problem is that midnight Mass is too late for him to stay up, and Easter service is too early for him to get up, hence they must be abolished.

lol.

I'm no fan of either Christmas or Easter either, but I must admit that that was funny.

^_^
 
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