Egypt, Muslims slaughter 10 year old girl

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Lol sorry, but that's what this entire thread seeks to do.

Sorry if you can't see it.

I created the thread and its purpose. The purpose is to make people like yourself acknowledge the vast amount of Muslims bearing down on innocent people around the world.
 
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I created the thread and its purpose. The purpose is to make people like yourself acknowledge the vast amount of Muslims bearing down on innocent people around the world.

And my replies are purposed with making people like yourself acknowledge the amount of Christians bearing down on innocent people around the world.
 
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And my replies are purposed with making people like yourself acknowledge the amount of Christians bearing down on innocent people around the world.

So you just said that you want Christians to bear down(as in become aggressive) towards innocent people and try to ruin their lives?

Do you even hear yourself?
 
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And my replies are purposed with making people like yourself acknowledge the amount of Christians bearing down on innocent people around the world.
Please share those headlines with us.
 
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Are you saying David Koresh wasn't a Christian? Because he certainly believed he was.

I am not interested on whether or not he is a Christian as you are trying to dodge the stupendous ignorance of your own statements.

Nobody said to profile Christians...just look out for Christians associated with radical ideological groups such as the Koreshians.

For Muslims there is the Wahabiyyah and Salifiyyah groups.

FYI both of these groups find their origins in Saudiyya Arabia and both are the majority in the country. Ironically Saudiyya Arabia spends the most money annually on funding Islamic programs and propaganda. It is the number one source for Islamic publishing as well.
 
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Well, if it meant "shut out of the community", common sense would suggest that it would say just that rather than "put to death".

Either way, neither is loving.
Sorry but that argument does not follow. Common sense says that if you are going to save the world you do not do that by allowing yourself to be crucified on a cross. Keep to your common sense though if you like. Being shut out of the community was the same as death. That is what churches are supposed to be like today so that if a person sins and refuses to repent and are asked to leave the church they will feel a sense of death. If you really think everything in the bible is simple and easy to understand with no reference to culture which is part of context then perhaps you can explain why we have so many denominations split over minor things and why there is so much debate on so many topics.
 
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Aggressiveness should be met with more aggressiveness
I hope you never have kids. I have seen kids traumatised because that is what their parents believed. Victims of abuse.

Nobody is asking for racial profiling. Most Muslims are not even Arabs so good luck with racial profiling. I was a Muslim and not even of Asian descent.

What me and GoodSpeed1 are asking for is to not ignore Muslims as being wholly innocent. If a Muslim does wrong this should not be a moment of the defense of Islam but the chastisement of such behavior.

We cannot brush aside murderers in order to create false peace.
Sorry but you need to brush up on your comprehension skills. Racial profiling is exactly what was being asked for. Mpok has never said every single muslim is innocent either so you make another false claim. mpok simply said most muslims are peaceful and calling them a disease is most unhelpful to changing things. What do most people do when verbally attacked? That's right they go defensive. So calling them a disease is only more likely to create more hurdles to overcome.
Some friends of mine went on a trip to muslim countries with one purpose in mind. To apologise for the crusades. I assure you they opened up more doors to effective long term ministry than Godspeed has by calling them a disease. Or perhaps another friend of mine who was part of a group who was told they could remain and carry on their business as missionaries because they did not abandon these muslims during the first gulf war but rather stayed and risked being killed in allied bombings. Or another friend working in a muslim village where the muslims helped build a Christian church while the mosque remains unfinished. Yeah there are muslims who have believed the lies and have had the faith twisted and follow violence. They believe, I guess, that there are 72 virgins waiting for them even though many muslim clerics have come out and said that is not the case and that if they commit these acts of violence they will never go to paradise. This is the majority and as long as we keep giving power to the violent minority by lumping all muslims in with the extremist minority we will just be giving more and more power to the extremists.

So you just said that you want Christians to bear down(as in become aggressive) towards innocent people and try to ruin their lives?

Do you even hear yourself?
No that is not what he said. He is just saying there are people of different religions who are killing innocent people. There was no suggestion at all that he wants Christians to behave like that. I am no wondering if you are just poor at comprehension or if you are deliberately misreading the posts.
 
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I love all people but islam IS most certainly a disease/cult.

It never had a chance even from the start. mohamad married Aisha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage at age 9 or 10 (depending on source) so he would be in prison if he were alive today in any civilized country for pedophilia. Not to mention he was a slave owner, a war monger, etc..
You can't base a peaceful, loving religion with that as its main prophet.
Yep those Christians are nothing but a bunch of pedophiles. After all being married at that age in biblical times was not uncommon but rather the norm. Mary was only a couple of years older when she gave birth to Jesus. Many Christians mentioned in the bible were slave owners. So I expect next time I log on you will have changed your faith icon. After all you don't want to be associated with a faith that practiced pedophillia and slavery do you. Or would you like to maintain a positon that is double standards?

One of the basic principles of Christianity is that you 'hate the sin but love the sinner' do you truly NOT know this?

Do you not know that islam was originated by a disgruntled Christian who admitted himself he was possessed by the devil, was a documented pedophile, war monger, slave owner, etc..

As a true Christian if someone is guilty of theft, slander, even murder I would hope you understand the basics enough to love the sinner but hate the sin. This is the same with islam -- they are humans -- they also deserve you love even if they sin or spread and believe lies -- you shouldn't need to be told this.
I see by your responses that you haven't journeyed very far in your faith/understanding, but that in time you will hopefully understand what I've tried to explain to you.
God Bless.
So you walk up to muslims and say hey your a disease and an infection let me share the gospel with you. Is that what you really do. How does that work as an outreach? Zero percent effectiveness. Hate the sin love the sinner does not mean you can call them spreaders of disease. That is totally unchristian. In fact most of the time people use that phrase they are using it to be bigots rather than to be productive and actually try to create change that makes a actual difference. tell me did Paul tell people they are totally wrong and need to abandon all their Gods or did he say I see you have an altar to the unknown God. Well let me tell you about this unknown God. He worked with their current beliefs to spread the gospel rather than preaching a message of hatred.

the quran.
No??
Oh my !!!!!!!!! you pointed out 1 exception to the 99.9999768% of global terrorists today.
You are so open minded that you found an exception --congratulations.
evidence to support your claim please. I know for a fact that it is wrong. Perhaps you meant to say any that threaten the US only. Guess what? The world consists of more places than just the USA. There are even Buddhist terrorists! They just don't understand why the Dalai Lama does not make a call to arms.

Yes - It is up to the intelligence agency if they feel there is a potential threat.
For example with the IRA in Northern Ireland this might be an example ...
Yet you remain quiet on white people in the US who claim to be Christians who have killed and injured many people. That is just as good justification for profiling against white Christians should be used now as there is for treating all muslims the same way. I wonder why you don't want to acknowledge that but rather deflect to an old overseas situation that is not the threat it once was.
 
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Sorry but that argument does not follow. Common sense says that if you are going to save the world you do not do that by allowing yourself to be crucified on a cross. Keep to your common sense though if you like. Being shut out of the community was the same as death. That is what churches are supposed to be like today so that if a person sins and refuses to repent and are asked to leave the church they will feel a sense of death. If you really think everything in the bible is simple and easy to understand with no reference to culture which is part of context then perhaps you can explain why we have so many denominations split over minor things and why there is so much debate on so many topics.

So society as a whole should "shut out" homosexuality according to Christianity?

Loving? Hardly.
 
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I am not interested on whether or not he is a Christian as you are trying to dodge the stupendous ignorance of your own statements.

Nobody said to profile Christians...just look out for Christians associated with radical ideological groups such as the Koreshians.

For Muslims there is the Wahabiyyah and Salifiyyah groups.

FYI both of these groups find their origins in Saudiyya Arabia and both are the majority in the country. Ironically Saudiyya Arabia spends the most money annually on funding Islamic programs and propaganda. It is the number one source for Islamic publishing as well.


So you're a proponent of religious and racial profiling?
 
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Sorry but that argument does not follow. Common sense says that if you are going to save the world you do not do that by allowing yourself to be crucified on a cross. Keep to your common sense though if you like. Being shut out of the community was the same as death. That is what churches are supposed to be like today so that if a person sins and refuses to repent and are asked to leave the church they will feel a sense of death. If you really think everything in the bible is simple and easy to understand with no reference to culture which is part of context then perhaps you can explain why we have so many denominations split over minor things and why there is so much debate on so many topics.

Well, I hope I've been trying to say not everything is as black and white as some people here think.
 
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And we cannot lump together a whole religion as potential murderers.

Sorry.

Where do you get the idea that religions are all inherently good? Maya priests used to sacrifice people to their gods very frequently. The same thing can be said of the followers of Baal in the ancient Middle East. A religion can be inherently cruel and violent.
 
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I hope you never have kids. I have seen kids traumatised because that is what their parents believed. Victims of abuse.


Sorry but you need to brush up on your comprehension skills. Racial profiling is exactly what was being asked for. Mpok has never said every single muslim is innocent either so you make another false claim. mpok simply said most muslims are peaceful and calling them a disease is most unhelpful to changing things. What do most people do when verbally attacked? That's right they go defensive. So calling them a disease is only more likely to create more hurdles to overcome.
Some friends of mine went on a trip to muslim countries with one purpose in mind. To apologise for the crusades. I assure you they opened up more doors to effective long term ministry than Godspeed has by calling them a disease. Or perhaps another friend of mine who was part of a group who was told they could remain and carry on their business as missionaries because they did not abandon these muslims during the first gulf war but rather stayed and risked being killed in allied bombings. Or another friend working in a muslim village where the muslims helped build a Christian church while the mosque remains unfinished. Yeah there are muslims who have believed the lies and have had the faith twisted and follow violence. They believe, I guess, that there are 72 virgins waiting for them even though many muslim clerics have come out and said that is not the case and that if they commit these acts of violence they will never go to paradise. This is the majority and as long as we keep giving power to the violent minority by lumping all muslims in with the extremist minority we will just be giving more and more power to the extremists.


No that is not what he said. He is just saying there are people of different religions who are killing innocent people. There was no suggestion at all that he wants Christians to behave like that. I am no wondering if you are just poor at comprehension or if you are deliberately misreading the posts.

Some friends of yours went to the Middle East to apologize themselves for the crusades? ^_^ When did your friends participated in the crusades? Are they that old? By the way, violent Muslims have not "twisted their faith". They just live as Muhammad intended them to live.
 
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Yep those Christians are nothing but a bunch of pedophiles. After all being married at that age in biblical times was not uncommon but rather the norm. Mary was only a couple of years older when she gave birth to Jesus. Many Christians mentioned in the bible were slave owners. So I expect next time I log on you will have changed your faith icon. After all you don't want to be associated with a faith that practiced pedophillia and slavery do you. Or would you like to maintain a positon that is double standards?


So you walk up to muslims and say hey your a disease and an infection let me share the gospel with you. Is that what you really do. How does that work as an outreach? Zero percent effectiveness. Hate the sin love the sinner does not mean you can call them spreaders of disease. That is totally unchristian. In fact most of the time people use that phrase they are using it to be bigots rather than to be productive and actually try to create change that makes a actual difference. tell me did Paul tell people they are totally wrong and need to abandon all their Gods or did he say I see you have an altar to the unknown God. Well let me tell you about this unknown God. He worked with their current beliefs to spread the gospel rather than preaching a message of hatred.


evidence to support your claim please. I know for a fact that it is wrong. Perhaps you meant to say any that threaten the US only. Guess what? The world consists of more places than just the USA. There are even Buddhist terrorists! They just don't understand why the Dalai Lama does not make a call to arms.


Yet you remain quiet on white people in the US who claim to be Christians who have killed and injured many people. That is just as good justification for profiling against white Christians should be used now as there is for treating all muslims the same way. I wonder why you don't want to acknowledge that but rather deflect to an old overseas situation that is not the threat it once was.

Find me a single verse in which a Biblical prophet haves sex with a 9-year-old girl. We are talking about a primary school child here.
 
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Where do you get the idea that religions are all inherently good? Maya priests used to sacrifice people to their gods very frequently. The same thing can be said of the followers of Baal in the ancient Middle East. A religion can be inherently cruel and violent.

No, people can be inherently cruel and violent. A religion cannot pick up a weapon and use it against you. Ideas, cannot physically harm you.
 
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No, people can be inherently cruel and violent. A religion cannot pick up a weapon and use it against you. Ideas, cannot physically harm you.

All actions are inspired by ideas. People would only die or kill for something that they consider to be more important than human life. This something is almost always an ideology.
 
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