Endogenous retroviruses confirm common descent

[dad]

The point was that if the laws of physics did change, that's not something science is blind to, it could be detected (unless the evidence of such a thing was deliberately concealed).

That is a strawman. It was not our state that changed. It would have been the former state and this present state is the result.

 

[BarryDesborough]

That is a strawman. It was not our state that changed. It would have been the former state and this present state is the result.

What could have happened in a "past state" that produced all the details of ERVs just so, so that it looks exactly like there was no different past state, and common ERVs were indeed retroviruses endogenized in common ancestors?

 

[Doveaman]

No, they don't. In the real world, "dark matter/energy" is just a placeholder to describe the observable effects of what they don't know yet.

So it's the scientific term for "god did it". “God did it” is alive and well under a new name – “dark-matter/energy did it”.

For your information, there is more evidence for "God-energy" than there is for "dark-matter/energy".

 

[Doveaman]

Those are claims, not evidence. Are you yet another creationist who can't even handle the simple task of differentiating between claims and evidence?

Billions of humans have experienced a force which they call “God-energy”. None have experienced “dark-matter/energy”.

Those human experiences give supporting evidence to “God-energy”. “Dark-matter/energy” is just a claim without any supporting evidence/experience.

If all of the ERV's found in the human and chimp genome were the product of independent insertion then they should, by and large, be found at different positions in each genome. That is NOT WHAT WE SEE. Instead, we see over 200,000 ERV's at the same exact position in each genome while only a few hundred are not found at the same position. This can NOT be explained by two species being infected by the same virus independently. This can ONLY be explained by a single insertion that occurred in a common ancestor, the very reason that you and your immediate family share the same ERV's.

Humans were created from the remains of a prehistoric chimp, just as Eve was created from Adam.

Problem solved.

 

[StormanNorman]

So it's the scientific term for "god did it". “God did it” is alive and well under a new name – “dark-matter/energy did it”.

For those scientists who happen to be believers, it's more like "how god did it within the natural laws of physics."

For those scientists who are not believers, it's still just a place holder explanation for current unexplained physical observations.

 

[BarryDesborough]

Humans were created from the remains of a prehistoric chimp ...

You are not supposed to make extra-Biblical stuff up if you are a "Bible-believing Christian", but yes, humans and chimps were indeed created from a prehistoric common ancestor that probably resembled a modern chimp more than a modern human. That's what the ERV evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt.

 

[StormanNorman]

Humans were created from the remains of a prehistoric chimp, just as Eve was created from Adam.

Problem solved.

Problem solved for those with the proper faith; not so much for those who work completely within the realm of science.

 

[Doveaman]

You are not supposed to make extra-Biblical stuff up if you are a "Bible-believing Christian",

Actually, the Bible states the facts:

Man was formed from "dust" - (Gen 2:7).

Woman was formed from man - (Gen 2:22).

All humans descended from one man - (Act 17:26).

The resurrection is a recreation with modification - (1 Cor 15:42-46).

I'm simply presenting an explanation/theory based on those facts:

Recreation with Modification

but yes, humans and chimps were indeed created from a prehistoric common ancestor that probably resembled a modern chimp more than a modern human. That's what the ERV evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt.

Thank you.

This means "descent with modification" is not the only explanation.

 

[BarryDesborough]

Actually, the Bible states the facts:

Man was formed from "dust" - (Gen 2:7).

So not the remains of an ancient chimp at all. Just dust.

Woman was formed from man - (Gen 2:22).

All humans descended from one man - (Act 17:26).

The resurrection is a recreation with modification - (1 Cor 15:42-46).

I'm simply presenting an explanation/theory based on those facts:

Recreation with Modification
Than you.

That's evolution, mate. Descent with modification. But creatures don't need God to directly intervene in reproduction. They do it with ease - indeed with enthusiasm.

 

[Doveaman]

So not the remains of an ancient chimp at all. Just dust.

The remains of an ancient chimp was recreated/recomposed from dust and modified into a man.

That's evolution, mate. Descent with modification.

Sounds like recreation with modification, to me.

But creatures don't need God to directly intervene in reproduction. They do it with ease - indeed with enthusiasm.

Creatures need to be first created to get the reproductive process going in the first place. The chicken came before the egg. If creatures became extinct, they would need to be recreated again to get the reproductive process going again.

 

[dad]

What could have happened in a "past state" that produced all the details of ERVs just so, so that it looks exactly like there was no different past state, and common ERVs were indeed retroviruses endogenized in common ancestors?

How would something that got transferred differently back in the former times, somehow NOT look to a person who looks only at present state transfer, as if it got there the way it now would??? I mean really? Unless you can detail this, you are pushing a belief system.

One could say 'how could people live 1000 years, or not have remains or bones that lasted long enough to fossilize, or how could heat not be produced by friction, or plants grow hyper fast, etc etc '?

The simple answer is that science is too small to say! It just doesn't really fly.

 

[biggles53]

How would something that got transferred differently back in the former times, somehow NOT look to a person who looks only at present state transfer, as if it got there the way it now would??? I mean really? Unless you can detail this, you are pushing a belief system.

One could say 'how could people live 1000 years, or not have remains or bones that lasted long enough to fossilize, or how could heat not be produced by friction, or plants grow hyper fast, etc etc '?

The simple answer is that science is too small to say! It just doesn't really fly.

So, in other words, you're not going to answer his question.....

 

[CabVet]

So, in other words, you're not going to answer his question.....

As usual.

 

[dad]

So, in other words, you're not going to answer his question.....

THE ANSWER IS THAT THE TRANSFER WAS NOT IN A PRESENT STATE STATION.

Deal with it.

 

[BarryDesborough]

THE ANSWER IS THAT THE TRANSFER WAS NOT IN A PRESENT STATE STATION.

Deal with it.

So how and why did the "past state transformation" occur? Answer in as much explanatory detail as endogenization provides, or concede that your idea is nuts.

 

[dad]

So how and why did the "past state transformation" occur?

Proabably a little over a century after the flood of Noah, in the days of Peleg. (when the earth was split)

Why? Well I am sure God has His reasons. I can notice that wicked man doesn't live as long. That is one result. I notice that no spirits marry women any more and live here on earth.

If you thought there was some fluke reason like some 'natural' degradation of our present state or something...forget about it!


The future is the key to the past. (not the present). So, we can ask why the state will change again in the latter part of the Tribulation or start of the millennium? The answer is that God is in control.



Science is so woefully ignorant that it is not even cognizant aoout anything other than a blind belief that this temporal state must be all one looks at, models on, or allows.

 

[BarryDesborough]

So how and why did the "past state transformation" occur? Answer in as much explanatory detail as endogenization provides, or concede that your idea is nuts.

Proabably a little over a century after the flood of Noah, in the days of Peleg. (when the earth was split)

Why? Well I am sure God has His reasons. I can notice that wicked man doesn't live as long. That is one result. I notice that no spirits marry women any more and live here on earth.

If you thought there was some fluke reason like some 'natural' degradation of our present state or something...forget about it!


The future is the key to the past. (not the present). So, we can ask why the state will change again in the latter part of the Tribulation or start of the millennium? The answer is that God is in control.



Science is so woefully ignorant that it is not even cognizant aoout anything other than a blind belief that this temporal state must be all one looks at, models on, or allows.

So nuts it is then!

 

[dad]

So nuts it is then!

Apparently when you speak, that gets hard to avoid.

 

[BarryDesborough]

Apparently when you speak, that gets hard to avoid.

You provided no explanation for orthologous ERVs.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Apparently when you speak, that gets hard to avoid.

Hey Dad, in your different state past were offspring related to their parents?