Feminism viewed from a Christian perspective: Good? Bad? Something else?

[ViaCrucis]

I'm 31, I've never had a girlfriend, let alone come close to being married. Rejection and "friend zoning" is something I've experienced quite often.

So it must be those evil, wicked, womenfolk right? Because I'm just so flipping awesome, they should just submit to my manly radness.

Or, you know, perhaps I have struggled with confidence issues in the past, or perhaps it's just because it hasn't worked out for me.

But it would be rather petty of me to whine and moan and blame "those uppity women". So, pardon me as I play this, the world's tiniest violin and not join in on the misogyny oozing from this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Trailltrader]

I'm 31, I've never had a girlfriend, let alone come close to being married. Rejection and "friend zoning" is something I've experienced quite often.

So it must be those evil, wicked, womenfolk right? Because I'm just so flipping awesome, they should just submit to my manly radness.

Or, you know, perhaps I have struggled with confidence issues in the past, or perhaps it's just because it hasn't worked out for me.

But it would be rather petty of me to whine and moan and blame "those uppity women". So, pardon me as I play this, the world's tiniest violin and not join in on the misogyny oozing from this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

To put it bluntly? You're too nice. I've been married 3 times- I met my first wife in a Christian college and she became a prostitute. Second wife married me for my medical insurance so she could get unlimited medication for her drug abuse since she was a nurse. 3rd wife? We get along.

I've had more girlfriends than,,,,I dunno. I lost track when I counted up to 40 the other day.

So, the fast way: eharmony.com and get a 6 month contract. Match.com isn't so good. Christiansingles.com I have no opinion on at this time.

If you want a short term meaningless relationship *ahem* then look up Leykis 101.

 

[ViaCrucis]

To put it bluntly? You're too nice. I've been married 3 times- I met my first wife in a Christian college and she became a prostitute. Second wife married me for my medical insurance so she could get unlimited medication for her drug abuse since she was a nurse. 3rd wife? We get along.

I've had more girlfriends than,,,,I dunno. I lost track when I counted up to 40 the other day.

So, the fast way: eharmony.com and get a 6 month contract. Match.com isn't so good. Christiansingles.com I have no opinion on at this time.

If you want a short term meaningless relationship *ahem* then look up Leykis 101.

I wasn't exactly looking for dating advice. I was criticizing the misogyny, the blaming of women for having the audacity to be full fledged human persons instead of being servile chattel.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[jak]

I suspect that although we have our own personal definitions of the dynamics in a relationship, in practice they probably wouldn't look very different

You're probably right. Which is why I see no reason to pretend that what we have is NOT a partnership. IMO, a husband-wife loving-partnership-with-equal-rights- and-joint-decision-making is as valid an interpretation of Scripture as husband-is-the-loving-general-wife second-in-command... In fact, probably more so,since it fits in with God's general condemnation of hierarchies and fighting over who's boss.

 

[jak]

I'm 31, I've never had a girlfriend, let alone come close to being married. Rejection and "friend zoning" is something I've experienced quite often.

So it must be those evil, wicked, womenfolk right? Because I'm just so flipping awesome, they should just submit to my manly radness.

Or, you know, perhaps I have struggled with confidence issues in the past, or perhaps it's just because it hasn't worked out for me.

But it would be rather petty of me to whine and moan and blame "those uppity women". So, pardon me as I play this, the world's tiniest violin and not join in on the misogyny oozing from this thread.

-CryptoLutheran

Bless you, my dear brother.
I am all admiration.
You are going to make some fortunate woman a great husband

 

[forest flower]

Bless you, my dear brother.
I am all admiration.
You are going to make some fortunate woman a great husband

Agreed

 

[jak]

I pointed these facts out to another member who had posted here in PM and she refused to even acknowledge the facts that women also lie about rapes and stuff- such as the Duke LaCross players who's lives were ruined.

10 witnesses who said nothing happened, 1 woman who lied- guess who ended up being believed by the media? And it took 4 years for the truth to finally come out.

Just because some women lie about rape does not mean that rape is not an issue.

Rape happens all the time - and it is a sickening, nauseous and one of the most frightening things that can happen to a person.

 

[Erth]

Men and women, who are both humans made in the image of God are absolutely equal.

Men, women and all humans are created in the image of God. I have not denied this in any way.

 

[Trailltrader]

Just because some women lie about rape does not mean that rape is not an issue.

Rape happens all the time - and it is a sickening, nauseous and one of the most frightening things that can happen to a person.

One of the biggest things I've heard is "its for the children" and men usually get seriously reamed in divorce court. I don't see anyone complaining about that- so I'll open that can of worms and see where it goes.

 

[Archivist]

I'm starting to think that feminism and Christianity cannot co-exist. 1st Corinthians chapter 13 tells exactly how men are to love their wife. Paul is very clear in his instructions that a man is the head of the household, and a woman should keep her hair long as it is her glory.

Paul wrote in a time period when women counted for very little. Girls at that time did not receive the education given to boys. It would have made sense for Paul to say that the man should be the head of household. Today women are as well-educated as men (perhaps even better-educated; I seem to recall raeding taht more women tahn men are currently enrolled in four-year colleges).

BTW, I seem to recall that Scripture also tells us that "there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 If there is neither male nor female then how can it be said that the male must be in charge?

If feminism has been so good for the United States, then why are the marriage minded men getting wifes' from Russia, Asian or of Hispanic origins rather than marrying women from here?

Well this marriage-minded American male is dating a beautiful, kind and loving American-born woman. We see ourselves as complete equals in the relationship. If we disagree on something we compromise.

 

[Trailltrader]

Paul wrote in a time period when women counted for very little. Girls at that time did not receive the education given to boys. It would have made sense for Paul to say that the man should be the head of household. Today women are as well-educated as men (perhaps even better-educated; I seem to recall raeding taht more women tahn men are currently enrolled in four-year colleges).

BTW, I seem to recall that Scripture also tells us that "there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28 If there is neither male nor female then how can it be said that the male must be in charge?

Well this marriage-minded American male is dating a beautiful, kind and loving American-born woman. We see ourselves as complete equals in the relationship. If we disagree on something we compromise.

I met my first wife in a Christian college and she became a prostitute after we got married. The second wife married me for my Boeing medical insurance to support her prescription drug abuse. Third wife has ran 3 Delis and knows how to make a great and awesome sammich!

I guess I'm a bit too jaded due to my past experiences

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Mairie

Men and women, who are both humans made in the image of God are absolutely equal.
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Men, women and all humans are created in the image of God. I have not denied this in any way.

Good for you!

 

[Emilyxrose]

To answer your question directly, Christians should see feminism as Satan's tool to destroy marriage. There is nothing godly about feminism. If feminism was really about equality, why don't feminists call themselves equalists? When a woman calls herself a feminist, she gives the impression that her main focus is on women's rights only.

My main objection to feminism is that it often fails to recognize the differences between men and women. Despite what the secular world says, God gave men and women different roles. You can disagree with me until the cows come home, but men and women are better at different roles. I'm not saying that women can never take on a man's role, or vice versa, but this should be the exception rather than the rule.

I believe Christians should oppose feminism as much as possible. It is not good for marriage and it in no way helps bring a husband and wife closer together. Quite the opposite.

*facepalm*
Feminism is the belief that women should have equal social, legal and political rights as men, women should really ignore that huh? A marriage where there are gender roles is more likely to end up in divorce, according to polls and research.
I think what is truly disturbing for a lot of men is that radical feminism questions their male privilege. I think you're coming from the idea that feminist women are all out to hate men, take their place in the workplace and never have children.
In the 1930s a discursive shift in feminism occurred, transforming the focus from the private to the public. Prior to that, the mother was considered the ideal feminist subject. Ensuring that her role was valued and rewarded in much the same way as “men’s work" was a central focus. This view emphasised differences in sex and saw natural functions of women’s bodies as uniquely special, but worthy of equal recognition. However, the feminist platform was reformulated to accommodate a new focus on paid work during this period. As Marilyn Lake points out, this meant the ‘sameness’ of men and women was highlighted. However: “the effect was that men’s lives became the standard against which feminists would measure women’s progress." Therefore, compensating mother’s work was sidelined, and women began to emulate men.

 

[Emilyxrose]

I support the 'equal but different' concept. Same rights and all, but women shouldn't have to transform into men. Distinctly womanly things, like giving birth and caring for children, should be valued as much as working in any office.

 

[Trailltrader]

I support the 'equal but different' concept. Same rights and all, but women shouldn't have to transform into men. Distinctly womanly things, like giving birth and caring for children, should be valued as much as working in any office.

Or valued so much more because if you control the childrens basic learning and thinking you control the future. The National Organization for Women which is 50% lesbian has influenced this in a bad way- just look at Rosie O'Donnel without a paper sack over her head.

 

[Joykins]

feminists want the rights but NONE of the responsibilities.

Nonsense. Feminists supported the Equal Rights Amendment, which, among other things, would have subjected women to the draft (and we had one, back when the thing seemed like it might pass).

 

[Joykins]

If feminism has been so good for the United States, then why are the marriage minded men getting wifes' from Russia, Asian or of Hispanic origins rather than marrying women from here? I know of one distant acquaintance who got a Russian wife and her daughter simply because he was tired of American women's complaints. I've had a few men customer's with Russian wife's who have been wonderful- far more gracious than I would have imagined. In fact, I was ashamed of my own lack of social graces- and that says something for a guy who grunts and points and who has only one eyebrow that reaches from ear to ear

One fears some of these men may be the sort of unsavory people who would want a wife who doesn't know the language well, doesn't know her rights in the law, and has no other friends or family already here to help her should he mistreat her or make her miserable, leaving her with few other options than dependency.

 

[Trailltrader]

One fears some of these men may be the sort of unsavory people who would want a wife who doesn't know the language well, doesn't know her rights in the law, and has no other friends or family already here to help her should he mistreat her or make her miserable, leaving her with few other options than dependency.

That's a nice guess, but at the age of 52 I helped run the underground railroad for men in Washington state coming up with legal tricks when they'd get screwed here legally.

No, whoever posted "Feminists want the rights but not the responsibility" is 100% on the mark.

 

[Erth]

At one point back in history some feminists wanted the right to vote that they did not have. But most of today's feminists want much more than equal opportunity, in my opinion. They say that they do not have what they were already given a long time ago. Women have equal opportunity. Now the front is continually moved forward. When women have equal opportunity, they have to demand that they should also BE equal. If they have equal pay for the same work, they have to demand equal pay regardless of what their job is, or how much they work. When they have equal pay, they have to demand pay for doing housework, while men will not receive anything, because "there is hidden oppression in the home". When women have the opportunity to have any career they want, they have to demand affirmative action so that at least half of the people in any position that they desire are women. This is feminism today, in my opinion. Feminists today have an insatiable hunger for more money, more "equality", more "rights", more "respect", and so on.

 

[Trailltrader]

At one point back in history some feminists wanted the right to vote that they did not have. But most of today's feminists want much more than equal opportunity, in my opinion. They say that they do not have what they were already given a long time ago. Women have equal opportunity. Now the front is continually moved forward. When women have equal opportunity, they have to demand that they should also BE equal. If they have equal pay for the same work, they have to demand equal pay regardless of what their job is, or how much they work. When they have equal pay, they have to demand pay for doing housework, while men will not receive anything, because "there is hidden oppression in the home". When women have the opportunity to have any career they want, they have to demand affirmative action so that at least half of the people in any position that they desire are women. This is feminism today, in my opinion. Feminists today have an insatiable hunger for more money, more "equality", more "rights", more "respect", and so on.

Which is exactly based on the National Organization for Women (The "NOW" gang) which has a mix of 50% lesbian and 50% ugly women who no guy in his right mind would date.

Don't believe me? Heres the evidence: For the past 10 years or so, "People" magazine has made a yearly issue of the top 50 female CEO's of business's. That's 500 women- maybe more as my data is a few years out of date- call it 750 women.

Out of that 750 women, they are 1)very professional- knowing they were physically unattractive they understood the only way to get ahead was by work ethics and merit. 2)These women are SMART- extraordinary intelligence- like the past CEO of Hewlett-Packard. 3)I'm still pretty sure that Janet Reno is Chelsea Clintons father, not Bill- but I can't prove that.