Mormon Recruiting in an Evangelical Church

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Start a new thread. Your puzzle results in the face of Joseph rather than Jesus.

This is your thread. YOU are the one who challenged the statement of the name of Jesus Christ being the only One represented on our buildings, by posting the photo I am defending. And then you tell me to start a new thread when I defend it! What are you afraid of?

Why do the statues of Moroni face east?
 
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This is your thread. YOU are the one who challenged the statement of the name of Jesus Christ being the only One represented on our buildings, by posting the photo I am defending. And then you tell me to start a new thread when I defend it! What are you afraid of?

Why do the statues of Moroni face east?

Here's your thread...

http://www.christianforums.com/t7757059/
 
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No, that is your thread. I want you to defend what you posted here on this thread of yours! I made a very qualified defense to your photo that you suggested, on THIS your thread, does not represent the name of Jesus the Christ! Are you looking for an out because you cannot admit you are wrong?
 
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Mormon enemy,

If you died today and God asked you: why should I save you?
What would you say?

Where exactly does the Bible say that God plays this kind of silly game?

Eternity is NOT a variant of the Balloon game.
 
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You're headed to hell at neck breaking speed.

This language is a disgrace, imo. Not to mention very dangerous indeed, because the judgement we impose on other people may well fall on our own head instead.

Where does the Lord say we are to address people in this manner?

This thread appears to have deteriorated into something approaching a playground squabble. Can I politely remind everyone that the Lord told us that Christians will be recognised by the love we have for one another; Love of God and love of our neighbours.

If the Lord has a problem with Mormon church, he will deal with it. He does not subcontract.
 
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And what happens to the accursed?

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. -Jeremiah 17: 5-6

Where does God authorise the use of Bible verses to anathematise other people?

Do tell.
 
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No, that is your thread. I want you to defend what you posted here on this thread of yours! I made a very qualified defense to your photo that you suggested, on THIS your thread, does not represent the name of Jesus the Christ! Are you looking for an out because you cannot admit you are wrong?

Pause, deep breath.

Repeat after me: 'that which is sacred does not need to be defended.'

Chill. :wave:
 
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I'll kick som Islamic jihadist butt for your family as well. But I'm not going to call you a friend of the One who laid His life down for us because you're angel moron brought another gospel, a counterfeit one. I can live, work and go to war along aside Mormons but not bid them Godspeed. I am forbidden to do so.
Get Saved!

Where are you getting your theology? It would appear to be very non-standard indeed; far too acrimonious, far too antagonistic.

Christians are called to love our enemies and to do good to those who hate us. We are called to give more than we are asked; to give our shirts and to go the second mile. We are called to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit, not that of acrimony.

Good luck with that.
 
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Do you believe 1 Timothy 4:16?

"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."

That question is meaningless. My faith does NOT require me to base my belief on one verse of Scripture, but on Christ himself.

The Bible is a whole, not a collection of bits. We are called to believe in the whole, not any single bit taken out of context.

Compare the Bible with a beautiful building, such as Hampton Court Palace. We can look at the whole and think it truly beautiful, as indeed it is. But if someone were to chip out one single brick from that Palace and present it to me, and say, 'This is Hampton Court Palace; do you believe in it?' I would have to say, it may be a part of the Palace, but it only makes sense in the context of the rest. Put it back where it belongs, and I will believe in it.

Therefore, put 1 Timothy 4:16 back where it belongs, in context, and I will believe in the Gospel it represents.

I do hope that helps.
 
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Catherineanne... The English have pretty well forgotten the beauty of the Wesleyan revival. So everything I say, as far as you are concerned, is total gibberish.

Not at all; the racism I understand well enough.

The theology is gibberish, and has precious little to do with Wesley.

John Wesley was Anglican, and his theology was Anglican. I have no problem with him, or his writings. Methodism is alive and well in England, thanks be to God.
 
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Please don't misunderstand.... Christ had his enemy's, but he still loved them, and as do I.

Good.

Unfortunately religion or politics there is always' going to be confrontation that doesn't mean we stop explaining our views for the benefit of others who may not understand and want to fairly represent others.

It is possible to explain without confrontation.

But, might I also add that while a little "cute", calling someones religion "barking mad" which if you've noticed I haven't called anyone's religion any "name" is a bit "uncharitable" don't you think?

I did not call your religion barking mad. I called your theology barking mad.

Different thing. :)

You are right, which is why Mormons don't attack other faiths like they do thus disobeying Christ's command in Mark 9, Luke 9, & Matthew 18. We only "actually" defend the Faith. Though, to be fair while defending we sometimes compare and contrast, and that can be seen as critical, but our primary actions here is simply correcting for falsehoods said of us, as the scriptures command us to do, to defend the faith and preserve the faith once delivered. We in contrast don't "attack" other faiths, for the most part, because like you, we don't care what others choose, and we've been told by Christ to leave them alone, per the above scriptures.

One person's defence is another person's attack.

Just ask Iraq.
 
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The rare theological contrast does not equate "attacks" on other religions, nor does even the rare direct criticism.

Do you people really not comprehend the subtle but significant difference?

Even more so, do you not understand the difference between bearing false witness of another religion which you do in almost your every word of us, and simply disagreement or criticism?

It's like pounding the head against a brick wall. We tell you over and over how clearly different we are from one another by THE FACTS, yet you ignore THE FACTS and "strain" any negative statement you can find from history AS IF THAT MAKES US THE SAME.

Who exactly are you addressing as 'you people'?

What is that all about? :confused:
 
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Not really..... Some might perceive incorrectly, but that doesn't make actuality, any more than Fanatical Islam believes America and the Jews are the Great and Little Satan's.

Mormons have no ministry's against other religions.
We have no books against other religions.
We have no websites against other religions.
We don't even make post's here against other religions, save to correct certain assumptions related to us as a counter weight.

Thus, there is a big difference in Fruits of those who attack religion and those who defend it. Those who do all the above claim to be defending their Faith by attacking ours, that however is a false and perverted judgment. Defense is defense like Mormons do. Of course, not there has never been a Mormon in history, or today that's ever said anything negative of others. But, that's the exception to the rule, and it's still not active waring against another religion or faith. Even more, it's not misrepresentation and lying about other's Faith, which sadly is what most do here and elsewhere when discussing Mormonism. Thus, why us LDS are pretty much even here, to correct those false judgments for those who might not know and understand but still are honest of heart. We already know those we speak to won't listen and care to understand. We are not here for them.

Let me give you an example. If Islam told you that Christianity were Polytheistic because of the Trinity, would you want to know the truth of that? Likewise, our sadly enemy's say the same things of us, so we correct them for those who are interested in the truth.

It's an honorable and important thing to do. :)
But I understand also it's not everyone's cup of tea, and maybe some even think it's not necessary.
But, being able to represent ones own self, what one actually believes, to give answers to those who are interested in the truth, is still important. Someone has to do it. Indeed, the operative word is for ourselves.
 
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Who exactly are you addressing as 'you people'?

What is that all about? :confused:

A post to Phoebe and those like her that engage in the actions described.
We've been correcting her for a long time in her judgments of us, but she doesn't care to honestly represent. Even Skylark a Christian non-LDS jumps in sometimes to correct her's and others false representations of us.
 
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A post to Phoebe and those like her that engage in the actions described.

Does their behaviour justify your impoliteness?

We've been correcting her for a long time in her judgments of us, but she doesn't care to honestly represent. Even Skylark a Christian non-LDS jumps in sometimes to correct her's and others false representations of us.

I think it is a mistake to make accusations of dishonesty and misrepresentation against those of different views. I might be better to assume they are being honest, and presenting the truth as they see it.

Most Christians will not be able to accept Mormon 'truth', for the simple reason that we are Christians, and not Mormon. To us, the two categories are mutually incompatible, regardless of what Mormons may think. Some Mormons may be followers of the Lord; that is perfectly possible, but the church itself is not a Christian church. It does not subscribe to the Nicene Creed, it has theology that is not any part of the Christian faith, and it has scriptures that are not canonical.

After that it is a matter of pure indifference what statues or names are written on Mormon temples, or which direction they happen to face.
 
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We have no books against other religions.

What about Temple Ceremonies?

For those of us who took our temple covenants prior to 1990 when the minister character disappeared from the endowment, how many of us were shocked or offended by the portrayal of the minister or his removal from the newer version? [The Protestant minister was removed in the new 1990 version of the Mormon Endowment ceremony that take place in Mormon Temples. His role in the endowment is below - word by word as it was in the pre-1990 temple ceremony]

If the endowment teaches important truths, then why were these plain and precious teachings removed?


ADAM: I am looking for messengers.

LUCIFER: Oh, you want someone to preach to you. You want religion, do you? I will have preachers here presently.

(Lucifer turns his head as a PROTESTANT minister approaches.)

LUCIFER: Good Morning sir!

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Good morning!

(The preacher turns and looks into the camera.)

PROTESTANT MINISTER: A fine congregation!

LUCIFER: Yes, they are a very good people. They are concerned about religion. Are you a preacher?

PROTESTANT MINISTER: I am.

LUCIFER: Have you been to college and received training for the ministry?

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Certainly! A man cannot preach unless has been trained for the ministry.

LUCIFER: Do you preach the orthodox religion?

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Yes, that is what I preach.

LUCIFER: If you will preach your orthodox religion to these people, and convert them, I will pay you well.

Mormon: Pre-1990 Mormon Temple Endowment Protestant Minister
 
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Let me give you an example. If Islam told you that Christianity were Polytheistic because of the Trinity, would you want to know the truth of that? Likewise, our sadly enemy's say the same things of us, so we correct them for those who are interested in the truth.

Of course Moslems think our faith polytheistic. Why do you think I would be surprised by that?

The difference is, I accept their right to think what they want to think, and indeed what they have to think in order to be Moslem. If they accepted the Trinity they would no longer be Moslem but Christian.

I have no problem with those who want to embrace our faith, but I also have no problem with those who don't. It is up to God to touch their hearts and bring them to the fullness of truth; it is not up to me.

But, being able to represent ones own self, what one actually believes, to give answers to those who are interested in the truth, is still important.

It is perfectly possible to express oneself without attacking other people in the process.

And in Christianity it is mandatory.
 
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Frankly, who gives a tinker's cuss what Mormons do in their ceremonies?

What difference does it make?

I regard the attempts by the Mormon church to baptise dead people of any and all faiths as vile in the extreme, and highly offensive, both to Christianity and very possibly also to God himself. However, because such behaviour is not a sacrament, and effects absolutely nothing whatever in relation to eternity, it makes no sense for me to get all worked up about it. It is totally and utterly meaningless, and therefore not worth worrying about.

Ditto anything else they happen to get up to.
 
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Such ceremonies shape the thinking of new church members and endorses/sanctions these views. These events and ceremonies are taught/thought to be sacred.

They were rightly removed in 1990 but there is not acknowledgement that this was wrong.

And the borrowing, without acknowledgement, of material from Masonic rituasl is another issue of concern for many.

LDS Endowment

Identical Features

Features identical to Masonry and the endowment are relatively few and became even fewer as a result of revisions to the endowment in the 1920s and in 1990. The features that are (or have been) identical are:

The five points of fellowship.
The penalties invoked in the non-disclosure oaths.
Two grips (or tokens).
The symbols of the compass and the square.
Miscellaneous phrases, such as "Has it a name?" or "three distinct knocks."
 
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