age of the earth and lightyears

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But embedded age isn't a model. It's just two random words one uses when one wants to deny reality.
I define these 'two random words' as: maturity without history.

And until someone comes up with a better word combination, I'll stick with "Embedded Age."
 
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For the attention.
That's about the most believable thing I've seen you write.

Seriously, there are multiple, independent, clear lines of evidence for deep time and for evolution. Most of them are unnecessary for a working world. There is no good reason for them being there if the world is indeed young. That means that if God created a young world, he is misleading us - essentially lying to us - for no good reason. If He created an ancient world, then that is another matter.
 
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That means that if God created a young world, he is misleading us - essentially lying to us - for no good reason.

God didn't create a young world.

He created an old world ex nihilo & ex materia.

I'm not a YEC.

(And thank you for making a case for Embedded Age.)
 
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I define these 'two random words' as: maturity without history.

And until someone comes up with a better word combination, I'll stick with "Embedded Age."

Maturity without history is what they sell in the street stalls in Cairo and come out of a box of "genuine" ancient Egyptian artefacts, made in China.
 
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Maturity without history is what they sell in the street stalls in Cairo and come out of a box of "genuine" ancient Egyptian artefacts, made in China.
Which word is confusing you? maturity or history?
 
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Would God include fossils of millions of years of radioactive decay in rocks, such as uranium radiohaloes?

No.
Decaying radioactive particles in solid rock cause spherical zones of damage to the surrounding crystal structure. A speck of radioactive element such as Uranium-238, for example, will leave a sphere of discoloration of characteristically different radius for each element it produces in its decay chain to lead-206. Viewed in cross-section with a microscope, these spheres appear as rings called radiohalos. Dr. Gentry has researched radiohalos for many years, and published his results in leading scientific journals.

Some of the intermediate decay products - such as the polonium isotopes - have very short half-lives (they decay quickly). For example, Po has a half-life of just 3 minutes. Curiously, rings created by polonium decay are often found embedded in crystals without the parent uranium halos. Now the polonium has to get into the rock before the rock solidifies, but it cannot derive from a uranium speck in the solid rock, otherwise there would be a uranium halo. Either the polonium was created (primordial, not derived from uranium), or there have been radical changes in decay rates in the past.

Gentry has addressed all attempts to criticize his work. There have been many attempts, because the orphan halos speak of conditions in the past, either at creation or after, perhaps even during the flood, which do not fit with the uniformitarian view of the past, which is the basis of the radiometric dating systems. Whatever process was responsible for the halos could be a key also to understanding radiometric dating.

Source: The Answers Book, by Ken Ham, Jonathan Sarfati, Carl Wieland, pp. 90-91.
 
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Here we go again. Fossils, erosion, radioactive decay, tree growth rings, ice core rings and the like indicate history of existence, they do not indicate "maturity" or "age".

Was Adam created with used teeth, a belly button and scars from accidents he never had?
 
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Here we go again. Fossils, erosion, radioactive decay, tree growth rings, ice core rings and the like indicate history of existence, they do not indicate "maturity" or "age".
And as I have said before: It's getting to the point where every verse, passage, and chapter in the Bible is being countered by science.

This "decay" you're talking about; is it the same science that says this is impossible:

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.
Was Adam created with used teeth, a belly button and scars from accidents he never had?
You know the answer to that.
 
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And as I have said before: It's getting to the point where every verse, passage, and chapter in the Bible is being countered by science.

This "decay" you're talking about; is it the same science that says this is impossible:

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

That is why it is called a miracle. If your explanation for the earth looking older (and by older I mean existing for a longer time) was simply a "miracle", I would not question you. Embedded age is an attempt of reconciling science and your interpretation of the Bible. The science behind embedded age is flawed, that is why I question you.

You know the answer to that.

No, I really don't. I just don't see how a scar can represent "embedded age" or "maturity without history". A scar represents history (not maturity or age), the earth has scars.
 
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