What does the Bible and the Quran Say About Slavery

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Now It comes as no surprise and I understand what encouraged millions of Christians to go to Africa, abduct thousands of men and women, deprive them of their families and countries, and treat them in a manner not fit for animals, the reason is their skin color did not suit those criminals who decided to grade God's created human beings according to their skin color!Which devil decided that one skin color or race is better than another?

Christians didn't abduct anybody. They purchased slaves (who had already been enslaved by their neighbors) for agricultural labor in their American colonies. Also, this practice was controversial in Christendom from the beginning.

Of course, by this time Muslims had been trading in African slaves for nearly a thousand years. The males were sent usually sent to domestic work after being castrated, and the females were generally herded into harems. Nary a peep of condemnation anywhere.

So typical of Muslims, denouncing every real and perceived immorality in the West while freely practicing the most disgusting abominations themselves.

No scripture waving here. Just mere history.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Owning another human is morally wrong and reprehensible. And I didn't need a holy book to figure that out.

This post is worthy of a revisit for people looking to justify certain actions.
You cannot trade in something that is not yours to own, and it has the ability to express indifference to the said ownership.If it is something 'you' have created then is has a certain tradable quality given is desire by another (perhaps) and given that the 'created' piece is unable to show indifference to the trade. Really all the justifications look a bit silly. Yes we can state that certain structures existed to 'enable' an opportunity to exist where ownership of another was made available, but that doesn't make it right. I suspect that throughout history that such conditions were subject to workable advice re positive interaction between slave and owner, thus creating some standard of relationship, but I think the post above seems to fit the bill.

 

[sunrise0]

Christians didn't abduct anybody. They purchased slaves (who had already been enslaved by their neighbors) for agricultural labor in their American colonies. Also, this practice was controversial in Christendom from the beginning.

Of course, by this time Muslims had been trading in African slaves for nearly a thousand years. The males were sent usually sent to domestic work after being castrated, and the females were generally herded into harems. Nary a peep of condemnation anywhere.

So typical of Muslims, denouncing every real and perceived immorality in the West while freely practicing the most disgusting abominations themselves.

No scripture waving here. Just mere history.

Christians did not abduct slaves ?!!!
Thanks for making me smile

I like to remind you that a serious person who wants to discuss any matter from a religious stand must come up with religious text to prove his point/s. I presented many Biblical verses which allow slavery and expect you to do the same from the Holy Quran

 

[Rationalt]

.. slavery and expect you to do the same from the Holy Quran

This is how Islam survives .Through bluster.I made several posts about Islamic slaveery from quran,hadith and tafsirs.You wouldn't address them and yet spam with your dawah nonsense again and again.

 

[sunrise0]

This is how Islam survives .Through bluster.I made several posts about Islamic slaveery from quran,hadith and tafsirs.You wouldn't address them and yet spam with your dawah nonsense again and again.

post your proofs here. I will NOT waste my time searching for your old posts.
refute the Biblical texts I posted here

present Islamic text which encourage slavery

if you don't , it will be a good answer

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I like to remind you that a serious person who wants to discuss any matter from a religious stand must come up with religious text to prove his point/s.

Not really.

I presented many Biblical verses which allow slavery and expect you to do the same from the Holy Quran

Thing is, it isn't my understanding of what the Koran says that matters. It's what Muslims generally think the Koran says that matters, and that is evidenced in the conduct of Muslims throughout history. Islam has an existence outside the pages of a book, and that is what I am mainly concerned with; Islam in action, rather than on paper.

Here's a link to a basic survey of the attitudes of the world's religions toward slavery. It is refreshingly objective and free of preaching:

Religions and the abolition of slavery - a comparative approach

 

[Rationalt]

post your proofs here. I will NOT waste my time searching for your old posts.

Bluster again.I posted them several times you skip them and spam with your Islamic nonsense.Kind of shameless, i think.

refute the Biblical texts I posted here

Why would I do that ?.

present Islamic text which encourage slavery

if you don't , it will be a good answer

More bluster.

The thread on Islamic slavery http://www.christianforums.com/t7694620/ bumped.

 

[Zoness]

Practice vs. Theory

Scriptures can say whatever they want but name a religion whose adherents follow them that closely. People listen to influential figures and cultural norms. If you have loads of angry extremist Islamic preachers preaching Islam. That's what you'll get. If Christians had more Pat Robertsons, you'd start to see that more prevalent in right-wing Christian thought.

Scripture can be used to mean anything, hell I am come up with meanings for my life from the Bible. The question is how the loudest people of the religion use such things.

 

[simplegifts]

Sheik, a member of the Senior Council of Clerics: "Slavery is a part of Islam. Slavery is a part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

Abu Ishaq al-Huwanini, Egyptian Cleric: "When I want asex slave, I go to the market and pick whichever female I desire and buy her"

Then there is the Muslim womanI think she lives is in Kuwait that wants to revive the sex slave institution - she doesn't realize it never ended!

Black Slavery TODAY by Arab Muslims in Islamic African countrys - YouTube

ETC!

 

[simplegifts]

Practice vs. Theory

Scriptures can say whatever they want but name a religion whose adherents follow them that closely. People listen to influential figures and cultural norms. If you have loads of angry extremist Islamic preachers preaching Islam. That's what you'll get. If Christians had more Pat Robertsons, you'd start to see that more prevalent in right-wing Christian thought.

Scripture can be used to mean anything, hell I am come up with meanings for my life from the Bible. The question is how the loudest people of the religion use such things.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Their allah condones slavery the one true God does not.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Owning another human is morally wrong and reprehensible. And I didn't need a holy book to figure that out.

Please provide to me where morals come from because if they come from humans they are highly subjective and flawed. The reason for that is again, because they come from humans.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Please provide to me where morals come from because if they come from humans they are highly subjective and flawed. The reason for that is again, because they come from humans.

Morals are derived at by societal consensus.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Morals are derived at by societal consensus.

My answer is provided then as the societal standard did not view slavery wrong.
Slavery is a temptation and is just a matter of the spoils going to the winner. It is harsh but it is life. If nobody objects to it then it is ethical. Morals are subjective so the same way a person does not like to be judged by another's religion one cannot judge another for his morals.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

My answer is provided then as the societal standard did not view slavery wrong.
Slavery is a temptation and is just a matter of the spoils going to the winner. It is harsh but it is life. If nobody objects to it then it is ethical. Morals are subjective so the same way a person does not like to be judged by another's religion one cannot judge another for his morals.

I'm a little unclear. Who decided slavery was not wrong, the slave owners or the slaves?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

I'm a little unclear. Who decided slavery was not wrong, the slave owners or the slaves?

The slave owners and those who were not slaves and in all reality the people who took part in slavery were often enslaved before or after a period. The Arab conflicts in pre-islamic times are perfect examples. It is a Might is Right principle and founded upon equality none the less.
He who wins takes and he who looses is taken. It took slavery over 8,000 years before it was widely accepted as immoral ans this only occurred in the 19th century.

 

[Zoness]

This makes absolutely no sense.

Their allah condones slavery the one true God does not.

Did this "one true God" stop people from having slaves in the Christian west? It look a long time for that to go away and now we are better off as a civilization. I understand that the Quran mentions these things but Christians don't just a get clean slate because "their book is slightly worse than ours", when it comes to such things.

To be fair, at least MOST Christians aren't saying this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/

 

[EnemyOfReason]

This makes absolutely no sense.

Their allah condones slavery the one true God does not.

Read Exodus 21:7-12 and tell me that does not sound like slavery.

The Bible and Qur'an regulate slavery and place rules for it. I know you will use the argument that the NT supersedes the OT but why have the OT int he first place?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

This makes absolutely no sense.

Their allah condones slavery the one true God does not.

Read Exodus 21:7-12 and tell me that does not sound like slavery.

The Bible and Qur'an regulate slavery and place rules for it. The Bible clearly dictates a father can sell his daughter as a slave to become a forced bride. I know you will use the argument that the NT supersedes the OT but why have the OT int he first place?

It is not a matter of who supports slavery but which book gives more humane rules to it. And by far the Qur'an and ahadith kitabah win. If an amah begets a child she must be freed. The Bible does not permit this and no form of freedom is present that I am aware of

 

[Eyes wide Open]

Read Exodus 21:7-12 and tell me that does not sound like slavery.

The Bible and Qur'an regulate slavery and place rules for it. The Bible clearly dictates a father can sell his daughter as a slave to become a forced bride. I know you will use the argument that the NT supersedes the OT but why have the OT int he first place?

It is not a matter of who supports slavery but which book gives more humane rules to it. And by far the Qur'an and ahadith kitabah win. If an amah begets a child she must be freed. The Bible does not permit this and no form of freedom is present that I am aware of

Both the bible (OT) and Qur'an are time and context specific. We no longer live in that time or context, and thus render the issue not even up for debate. Muslims and Christians on the other hand (some) will continue to beat each other with scripture declaring " I am right". My conscience tell me its wrong to own another human (yes is was created by God) and we all have one. My intuition tells me that anybody hanging on to outdated ideals will inhibit growth and evolution to bring about a better world and in a metaphorical context inhibit any second coming.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Both the bible (OT) and Qur'an are time and context specific. We no longer live in that time or context, and thus render the issue not even up for debate. Muslims and Christians on the other hand (some) will continue to beat each other with scripture declaring " I am right". My conscience tell me its wrong to own another human (yes is was created by God) and we all have one. My intuition tells me that anybody hanging on to outdated ideals will inhibit growth and evolution to bring about a better world and in a metaphorical context any second coming.

My point exactly. One can still be Muslim or Christian regardless as God does not demand anyone to have slaves in his name.
Both books really just give the rules on slavery and how to regulate it. I do believe it is rather smart that the books even tried doing that. They may have not banned slavery but still they did something when you look at it from a historic viewpoint.