Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[tzadik]

When a chap has run out of reasoned argument expect to see the discussion turn to personal matters ... do you believe this, how about that? It's one of the forms of ad hominem.

Had he asked what the Catholic Church teaches I would have given him an answer while pointing out that it was a diversion.

Diversion? It was in reference to your never-ceasing "can't we all get along after ___ posts blurb"

I would much readily listen to your Biblical explanation of a subject, instead of asking what a organization believes or teaches, especially when that organization is the Catholic church...

 

[tzadik]

So you believe that the law of God meaning the old covenant is what is put in our hearts?

God's Law is not God's Agreement with His people.

Agreement.
Instructions.

Two different things.

There can be Instructions in any given agreement, but they are not synonymous.

God clearly tells us in Jeremiah 31 that He will put HIS ONE AND ONLY Law in the hearts and minds.

What Law (Torah) is Jeremiah referring to in verse 33?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Diversion? It was in reference to your never-ceasing "can't we all get along after ___ posts blurb"

I would much readily listen to your Biblical explanation of a subject, instead of asking what a organization believes or teaches, especially when that organization is the Catholic church...

No no no!

It is

"are we there yet?" After 1,463 posts! That's even longer that my Ecumenical Bible!

 

[bugkiller]

God's Law is not God's Agreement with His people.

Agreement.
Instructions.

Two different things.

There can be Instructions in any given agreement, but they are not synonymous.

God clearly tells us in Jeremiah 31 that He will put HIS ONE AND ONLY Law in the hearts and minds.

What Law (Torah) is Jeremiah referring to in verse 33?

I do not understand why you continue to ask this question that has been answered many times. Is it only because you are demanding an answer you want?

bugkiller

 

[tzadik]

No no no!

It is

"are we there yet?" After 1,463 posts! That's even longer that my Ecumenical Bible!

it's called a paraphrase. -_-

 

[tzadik]

I do not understand why you continue to ask this question that has been answered many times. Is it only because you are demanding an answer you want?

bugkiller

No...simply demanding an answer true to the text...

Instead of what we want the text to say...

It's a simple answer really. Small phrase...The Law (Torah) in Jeremiah 31:33 is the one and ONLY Law (Torah) of God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No...simply demanding an answer true to the text...

Instead of what we want the text to say...

It's a simple answer really. Small phrase...The Law (Torah) in Jeremiah 31:33 is the one and ONLY Law (Torah) of God.

So how do we, who are non-Jews, follow that Torah? As the Jews do today?



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[tzadik]

So how do we, who are non-Jews, follow that Torah? As the Jews do today? .

Depends...

If you see the Torah as the Instructions of God to His children....

...or a Jewish document strictly for 'Jews'...


--
When it's all said and done there are only two groups...

Children of God who follow God's ways.
Children of the evil one who follow his ways.

There's no middle group or "third group". (1 John 3:10)

 

[InSpiritandTruth]

No, no He really is not.

Read the passage where they rebuked Him for His followers not washing their hands... that's their 'traditions' - which came thru Moses when he was concerned with washings. Its not oral.
The oral traditions had to do with leaderships and other things that Christ didnt rebuke - such as the Chair of Moses...


Christ made it quite clear the distinctions and even Heaven rebuked Peter for following the diet concerns - when the Heaven opened up and said 'Call nothing in creation unclean - get up and eat.' Because Peter was abstaining from food because the animals he saw were on the 'forbidden list' of Moses.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old," Not oral? What is being referenced here?

Acts 10:12-16 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.” And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.

 

[InSpiritandTruth]

Jesus is speaking to non believers when He says this. Read who He was speaking to. These were the Pharasees abd hypocrites He was speaking too that were raised in the law and thought they did not need repentance. Those who rejected Christ.

Good day to you MamaZ.

I agree that He was speaking to those who thought they did not need to repent. What is it you have an objection with? Do you think Jesus was speaking against the law?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by bugkiller

I do not understand why you continue to ask this question that has been answered many times. Is it only because you are demanding an answer you want?

bugkiller
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No...simply demanding an answer true to the text...

Instead of what we want the text to say...

It's a simple answer really. Small phrase...The Law (Torah) in Jeremiah 31:33 is the one and ONLY Law (Torah) of God.

So how do we, who are non-Jews, follow that Torah? As the Jews do today?
.

Depends...

If you see the Torah as the Instructions of God to His children....

...or a Jewish document strictly for 'Jews'...


--
When it's all said and done there are only two groups...

Children of God who follow God's ways.
Children of the evil one who follow his ways.

There's no middle group or "third group". (1 John 3:10)

Such as those who keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath group vs the Sunday worship group





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[tzadik]

Such as those who keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath group vs the Sunday worship group
.

Would you categorize people who lie and those who don't as children of the evil one vs. children of God?

Would you categorize people who dishonor their parents and those who don't as children of the evil one vs. children of God?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Such as those who keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath group vs the Sunday worship group
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Would you categorize people who lie and those who don't as children of the evil one vs. children of God?

Would you categorize people who dishonor their parents and those who don't as children of the evil one vs. children of God?

Would you categorize the ones who do not keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath as being of the evil one and not children of God?


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[New_Wineskin]

Would you categorize the ones who do not keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath as being of the evil one and not children of God?


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Great question . Will it be answered ?

 

[tzadik]

Would you categorize the ones who do not keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath as being of the evil one and not children of God?.

Absolutely not. That was my point with the questions I just asked.
Remembering God's Sabbath and keeping it holy and set apart is an instruction of God to His children just like honoring your parents is an instruction to His children.

 

[bugkiller]

Would you categorize people who lie and those who don't as children of the evil one vs. children of God?

Would you categorize people who dishonor their parents and those who don't as children of the evil one vs. children of God?

Me thinketh there is trouble answering this question with complete honesty.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Absolutely not. That was my point with the questions I just asked.
Remembering God's Sabbath and keeping it holy and set apart is an instruction of God to His children just like honoring your parents is an instruction to His children.

God said the sabbath would cease.

bugkiller

 

[Sophrosyne]

Keeping the Sabbath is meaningless to salvation otherwise Jews would be saved while rejecting Jesus as they certainly know better how to keep the Sabbath than most Christians here. The same Jews keep the 10 commandments better than Christians... why are Christians saved and Jews that deny Christ NOT saved? The answer is.... it has NOTHING to do with the Sabbath and everything to do with Christ.

 

[Leuko Petra]

God said the sabbath would cease.

bugkiller

That is incorrect, there is a difference between the LORD's Sabbath "My Holy Day...the sabbath...the Holy of the LORD..." [Isaiah 58:13], and theirs...

I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

That is not speaking of the Moral [Spiritual] Ten Commandments, the 4th Commandment, a Memorial, but rather it is speaking of all those which were given in type through Moses.

Leviticus 23, reveals this, as do other places, all the other sabbaths...:

"Beside the sabbaths of the LORD..." [vs 38]; the weekly from Creation.

One is known from Creation [Genesis 2:1-3, etc] though neglected in Egypt, but restored once again and is forever [even in the New Heaven and New Earth; Isaiah 66:23; Exodus 31:16]; the others, there is nothing of them until after the events of Mt. Sinai, and were only given until the time of the reformation.

Further response here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7744983/#post63051508

http://www.christianforums.com/t7744983/#post63059366

 

[MoreCoffee]

One wonders why Seventh Day Adventists make such a song and dance about worshipping on Saturdays instead of Sundays.