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It's not a matter of chance, its a matter of Grace. Grace we cannot demand access to, but must be freely given from God's will.

How do you feel about Robert the Reprobate? Empathy? Don't care, as long as it's not me?
 
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Would that constitute good news?

Listen my friend, we don't say what we do out of a lack of empathy, or compassion, but out of an abundance of what the scriptures teach. I don't know if you saw me post this earlier:
This is an incredible sermon on this exact discussion we're having! http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-273/the-doctrine-of-election-part-1
but I urge you to listen to it, and see if it doesn't help you understand where we're coming from.
 
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Listen my friend, we don't say what we do out of a lack of empathy, or compassion, but out of an abundance of what the scriptures teach. I don't know if you saw me post this earlier:

but I urge you to listen to it, and see if it doesn't help you understand where we're coming from.

I have heard much of this before. I find his teaching shocking and unconscionable.
 
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Listen to the whole thing before passing judgement. Then we can discuss what you disagree with.

All that John Macarthur speaks of has been discussed on these forums.

John Macarthur damages the Gospel; his words are extremely saddening.
:(
 
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How do you feel about Robert the Reprobate? Empathy? Don't care, as long as it's not me?
Why do you persist in trying to tar us with the blackest of brushes?

You seem to think that Calvinists believe that only Calvinists are saved, whereas Calvinism merely describes a theory of the mechanics of salvation. What twisted view allows you to presume that we wouldn't care about ANYONE'S damnation?

Calvinism places man firmly at God's feet. God doesn't need man's permission to save him, He saves whom He will, when He wills. Your perpetual insistence on the over-riding necessity for your own will to be free of God's interference reinforces the biblical fact that at heart man is rotten to the core, and saved or not he will battle continually with the fleshly desire to place himself in first place.

Don't take this personally, because it's aimed at all who fight their own sanctification and who attempt to make God a casualty of their will.
 
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All that John Macarthur speaks of has been discussed on these forums.

John Macarthur damages the Gospel; his words are extremely saddening.
:(

Interesting...he damages scripture by quoting it and using the scriptures to explain the scriptures? :confused: :scratch:
 
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Why do you persist in trying to tar us with the blackest of brushes?

You seem to think that Calvinists believe that only Calvinists are saved, whereas Calvinism merely describes a theory of the mechanics of salvation. What twisted view allows you to presume that we wouldn't care about ANYONE'S damnation?

Calvinism places man firmly at God's feet. God doesn't need man's permission to save him, He saves whom He will, when He wills. Your perpetual insistence on the over-riding necessity for your own will to be free of God's interference reinforces the biblical fact that at heart man is rotten to the core, and saved or not he will battle continually with the fleshly desire to place himself in first place.

Don't take this personally, because it's aimed at all who fight their own sanctification and who attempt to make God a casualty of their will.

I asked for Metal Minister's feelings towards those that God decided would not have a chance at salvation. I'm not saying you don't care, but doing (caring) so brings you into conflict with God for you think He decided to pass them by. We are to be Christ-like are we not? There is a tension there.
 
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I asked for Metal Minister's feelings towards those that God decided would not have a chance at salvation. I'm not saying you don't care, but doing (caring) so brings you into conflict with God for you think He decided to pass them by. We are to be Christ-like are we not? There is a tension there.
We can grieve for the unsaved as God does. There is no tension. It used to grieve me to discipline my children but I still did it.
 
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I asked for Metal Minister's feelings towards those that God decided would not have a chance at salvation. I'm not saying you don't care, but doing (caring) so brings you into conflict with God for you think He decided to pass them by. We are to be Christ-like are we not? There is a tension there.
We can grieve for the unsaved as God does. There is no tension. It used to grieve me to discipline my children but I still did it.
My heart breaks for the unsaved, and I will not rest in my spreading of His word, to make sure all who need to hear it, do!
 
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We can grieve for the unsaved as God does. There is no tension. It used to grieve me to discipline my children but I still did it.

I accept that you grieve.

Does God grieve for that which (according to J. Calvin) he has predetermined?
God predetermined that the wickedness of man would be great, that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time, and grieved for it? I cannot make sense of this.
 
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I'm sorry, I'm not following you here. Can you be specific?

If you look back over the many threads on this forum you will find all the scriptures endlessly discussed.

Romans 9 is not about God choosing to salvation, for example.
 
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I accept that you grieve.

Does God grieve for that which (according to J. Calvin) he has predetermined?
God predetermined that the wickedness of man would be great, that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time, and grieved for it? I cannot make sense of this.
Then perhaps for you it's one of the mysteries which I asked you to define earlier. You didn't by the way.
 
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Then perhaps for you it's one of the mysteries which I asked you to define earlier. You didn't by the way.

It could be.

Or it could be a good reason to reject the idea that God decreed every single event without exception.

I'm not sure how to define the mysteries of God. Would you have a go, please?
 
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