Timeline: 42 Months of Revelation, 1335 & 1290 Days of Daniel

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Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The 42 Months of Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 13:5, the 1335 and 1290 Days of Daniel 12 are still unfulfilled. They are end times events, not first century.

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Actually, the 42 months is the same as the 1260 days in Rev 12 and the time[1 yr], times[2 yrs], and a half of Daniel which is 42 mo, and was fulfilled with the capture of the Roman pontiff by Napolean's general in 1798. The 1290 days ran from the taking of the sacrifice by Antiochus Epiphanes until the Concordat of Worms which gave the bishop of Rome the temporal as well as "spiritual" power he needed to become the prince of this world who ruled by fear and force.
The last time period has not come to an end yet.
 
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Actually, the 42 months is the same as the 1260 days in Rev 12 and the time[1 yr], times[2 yrs], and a half of Daniel which is 42 mo, and was fulfilled with the capture of the Roman pontiff by Napolean's general in 1798. The 1290 days ran from the taking of the sacrifice by Antiochus Epiphanes until the Concordat of Worms which gave the bishop of Rome the temporal as well as "spiritual" power he needed to become the prince of this world who ruled by fear and force.
The last time period has not come to an end yet.

Actually, the 42 months are unfulfilled. At the confirming of the covenant the 70 week of Daniel will begin. Then in the midst of that week......
 
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Actually, the 42 months are unfulfilled. At the confirming of the covenant the 70 week of Daniel will begin. Then in the midst of that week......
The 70th week was fulfilled long ago during the 7 yr war when the sacrifice was ceased in the midst [4rth] yr when Titus destroyed the temple in 70 A.D. That was the end of their chance to build the city to the Messiah. The 42 months are also quite fulfilled, and started when the little horn, ie Bishop of Rome, was given political power.
 
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The 70th week was fulfilled long ago during the 7 yr war when the sacrifice was ceased in the midst [4rth] yr when Titus destroyed the temple in 70 A.D. That was the end of their chance to build the city to the Messiah. The 42 months are also quite fulfilled, and started when the little horn, ie Bishop of Rome, was given political power.
And what year were the 42 months fulfilled?
 
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Well I'm not big on notes, but here is one of the original posts dated Aug 16, 2010 - see post number 74. In this post I did not add a leap month.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490525-8/#post55481973

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Yep. This is what's causing us a difference here. I also see it as a parabolic dual prophecy, which is why I do a timeline during Antiochus Epiphanes and then do the Timeline from A.D. 66-70. I also have A.D. 70 as being a metonic golden year with leap month II Adar.

Here's what I really want to know--what calendar are you using? If I can see the calendar, I can do a recount. I really want us to get on the same page, because I'm sure your research will have some details that I missed.

Yes, the Fast of the Fourth month (Tamuz 17) is important. With that I agree.

In 165 B.C., using Josephus, we can specifically date the 1290 days to Cheshvan 11 as being the day that the Abomination of Desolation ends. (viz. Josephus, Antiquities XII: 7, 7).

However, I'm going to stick with the first postulate that has to be taken into account in the fulfillment of A.D. 66-70, which is the 42 months. I have this as being counted from 25 Kislev (Hanukkah, Feast of Dedication), because if one calculates the 42 months and 1335 days from the end of Elul A.D. 70 and count back, you end up precisely on 25 Kislev A.D. 66. That's why I need to know what calendar you're using. If you're not putting in leap months, it could throw it off.

And one more thing, Larry. You've got 45 months in your timeline. We need 42. I also believe that you're on the right track, however. Another issue is resolving whether the prophecy is a terminus ad quem, terminus a quo, or terminus post quem. It is significant to understand this. I have to say though, it is inspiring to see someone else trying their hand at this and understanding what's involved. Let's keep working on this and see if we can't get on the same page.
 
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And what year were the 42 months fulfilled?

"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." Revelation 13:3. Remember, one of the heads has the little horn. "...The beast... had the wound by a sword, and did live." Revelation 13:14. The Roman pontiff was captured by Napoleon's general, Berthier, on February 15, 1798 A.D., after arriving at Rome on February 9, 1798.[31] This was exactly 1260 years after 538 A.D., when the eastern emperor made the Roman bishop the head of all Christendom, during which time, the woman with a crown of 12 stars which had given birth to the man-child (the Church and Jesus) fled into the wilderness 1200 and three score (3 X 20) "days." Revelation 12:1-6. Prophetically, each day stands for a year. Nos. 14:34. Ezekiel 4:6. The deadly wound was healed when the church again gained autonomy in 1929 by the Vatican City becoming an independent state.

Here's how the stage was set for the deadly wound. Martin Luther, a German parish priest, sought to reform the church when he found his parishioners crossing the river to buy letters of indulgence bearing the name of the pope. Purchasers were told that not only were they relieved of the temporal consequences of their sins, but the souls of their grandparents were released from purgatory. It was later learned "that some of these funds were designed to service the debt of the large fee imposed by the pope on Margrave Albrecht of Brandenburg as the price of allowing him to combine the archbishopric of Mainz with the archbishopric of Magdeburg." In response Luther authored 95 theses in October 1517.[32] Apparently, however, the majority of the funds went towards the building of the Vatican and the new St. Peter's Basilica. Martin Luther declared "I have sought nothing beyond reforming the church in conformity with the Holy Scriptures. The spiritual powers have been not only corrupted by sin, but absolutely destroyed; so that there is now nothing in them but a depraved reason and a will that is the enemy and opponent of God. I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it." However, the church would not be reformed. In 1521 Luther was summoned before the Council of Worms where he declared: "Unless I am convicted by scripture and plain reason - I do not accept the authority of popes and councils, for they have contradicted each other - my conscience is captive to the word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe.... Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise."[33] Knowing that the church wasn't true, people began to leave in droves to form new churches. "In France, England, and the Netherlands, hundreds of common people, women as well as men, were content to be burnt alive for their newly acquired Protestant beliefs."[34]

At the time of the Roman bishop's capture in 1798, he was declared deposed. He was taken to France where he died at Valence on August 29, 1799. The pope's 1260 years of political power had come to an end. Although a new bishop was elected by 1800, the church had lost its papal state to Napolean.

As for the 1290 days/years in Daniel 12
Many scholars have interpreted verse 31 as occurring during the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes, but this cannot be because 200 years after Antiochus, Jesus said: "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains...." Matthew 24:15-16. The Roman Church is the MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH; Rome starts the inquisition; "from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up" is 1290 days [years], Daniel 12:11. 1290 years from 168 BC, when Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the Temple and took away the daily sacrifice, to 1122 AD brings us to the Concordat of Worms (Pactum Calixtinum) signed on September 23, 1122, which brought the investiture contest to a close. This is often called a peace treaty between the papacy and the empire. A similar agreement had already been reached with the English king in 1107. At Worms the German emperor of the Holy Roman Empire agreed that the bishop of Rome should elect bishops and abbots and invest them with the ring and staff, symbols of their spiritual authority. The emperor gave up his prior right to elect bishops and invest them, although he did keep the right to invest them with the scepter, the symbol of secular authority. However, now the bishops answered to the bishop of Rome, rather than the emperor, which was in reality a huge jump in power. The following is King Henry's part of the agreement:

In the name of the holy and indivisible Trinity, I, Henry by the grace of God Emperor Augustus of the Romans, for the love of God and of the holy Roman church and of the Lord Pope Calixtus, and for the cure of my soul, give up to God, and to the holy Apostles of God, Peter and Paul, and to the holy catholic Church all investiture by ring and crozier, and I grant that, in all churches which are in my kingdom or empire, there may be canonical election and free consecration. I restore to the same Roman church such possessions and regalia of St. Peter as I have which were taken away between the beginning of this conflict and the present day, whether in the time of my father or in my own; and I shall faithfully assist to the end that those which I do not have may be restored. With the counsel of princes, and by justice, I shall also give back such possessions as I have of all other churches and princes and others, both clergy and laymen, which were lost in this war, and I shall faithfully assist to the end that those which I do not have be given back. And I give true peace to the Lord Pope Calixtus and to the Roman church and to all who are, or have been, on its side. And I shall faithfully assist in such matters as the holy Roman church asks aid, and I shall do the justice due it in such things as it complains about....

The first immediate result of the agreement was that half of the land and wealth of Germany passed from the control of the emperor to the Roman pontiff since these were in the hands of bishops and abbots.[97]

Many historians seem to overlook the importance of the Concordat, but the Roman Church did not. It knew it had won a great victory in temporal power for which it had sought for hundreds of years although the lay investiture controversy was the last aspect of the battle lasting approximately 75 years. "That he was the spiritual head of the [Roman] Church would hardly have been questioned before, but his authority had been rather that of a suzerain, who was expected to leave the local archbishops and bishops in independent control of their own districts. In imitation of the policy of the temporal rulers, the Popes had striven, with a large measure of success, to convert this suzerainty into a true sovereignty."[98] The papacy now viewed itself as supreme - as the head of the kingdom which would never be destroyed. Calixtus summoned the First Lateran Council, a huge gathering in 1123, which became largely a celebration for the signing of the Concordat and approval of it. The Council's canons of 3,4,8 and 12 address the investiture subject.[99]

Calixtus also had plans for St. Peter's where pilgrims who traveled to its altar every three years received a remission of sins.

Calixtus could have rebuilt the altar and left its identification with Sylvester intact, as Gregory I had done, but by totally concealing the older altar [by building a new one over it], and engraving his own name upon the new one, he superceded Sylvester as the most visible heir of St. Peter. When pilgrims came to the most holy spot in St. Peter's, they would see his name.... Calixtus encouraged this association by bringing the whole First Lateran Council to St. Peter's to participate in the consecration of the altar. The pope and what is estimated to have been between three hundred and one thousand bishops, abbots and cardinals celebrated the consecration on March 25, 1123, as the culmination of the council summoned in large part to approve the Concordat of Worms. The scene was reminiscent of the consecration of the first altar by Sylvester. The date - the anniversary of the feast of the Annunciation of the Blessed Mary - was also carefully chosen. The feast off the annunciation was one of the principal festivals of the year, but the festival of the dedication of the altar would take precedence over it. Every year Christians would be reminded of Calixtus when the confessio was decorated with a mappula and torches in commemoration of the dedication of the altar 'facta a papa Calixto.'[100]

Prior to the Concordat of Worms the bishop of Rome claimed to wield one of the two swords of God created to rule mankind - His spiritual sword. The temporal sword was wielded by the emperor (remember how church historians conceived Constantine as welding the two world's together). After the Concordat of Worms, the canon lawyers began asserting that both swords belonged to the bishop of Rome, who delegated the temporal sword to the emperor. Thus, the bishop of Rome crowned himself with the third crown of his papal tiara. The third crown represented the pontiff's authority over the kings of the world. The second crown represented his spiritual power over mankind, and the first crown symbolized his temporal sovereignty over the papal states.[101] "After Worms... the papacy's star was in the ascendant for the rest of the century, rising to its highest point with the accession of Innocent III in 1198." "The medieval papacy had now reached the zenith of its spiritual and temporal power."[102]
 
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Yep. This is what's causing us a difference here. I also see it as a parabolic dual prophecy, which is why I do a timeline during Antiochus Epiphanes and then do the Timeline from A.D. 66-70. I also have A.D. 70 as being a metonic golden year with leap month II Adar.

Here's what I really want to know--what calendar are you using? If I can see the calendar, I can do a recount. I really want us to get on the same page, because I'm sure your research will have some details that I missed.

Yes, the Fast of the Fourth month (Tamuz 17) is important. With that I agree.

In 165 B.C., using Josephus, we can specifically date the 1290 days to Cheshvan 11 as being the day that the Abomination of Desolation ends. (viz. Josephus, Antiquities XII: 7, 7).

However, I'm going to stick with the first postulate that has to be taken into account in the fulfillment of A.D. 66-70, which is the 42 months. I have this as being counted from 25 Kislev (Hanukkah, Feast of Dedication), because if one calculates the 42 months and 1335 days from the end of Elul A.D. 70 and count back, you end up precisely on 25 Kislev A.D. 66. That's why I need to know what calendar you're using. If you're not putting in leap months, it could throw it off.

And one more thing, Larry. You've got 45 months in your timeline. We need 42. I also believe that you're on the right track, however. Another issue is resolving whether the prophecy is a terminus ad quem, terminus a quo, or terminus post quem. It is significant to understand this. I have to say though, it is inspiring to see someone else trying their hand at this and understanding what's involved. Let's keep working on this and see if we can't get on the same page.

Sorry for the delay, but I had to entertain company the last few days.

I don't understand why you are using forty-two months for the timeline of the destruction of Israel in 70AD; and I cannot see what the time of Antiochus has to do with this forty-two month period of time. I guess the first thing to do is to define the 3 ½ years.

Three and a half years is a symbol of a time of tribulation
– I say symbol because it never seems to be exactly three and a half years precisely. It is also referenced as forty-two months or 1,260 days. The tribulation under Nero lasted about 3 ½ years. The same is true under Domitian – 3 ½ years as well. For example look at the variation in the usage of these terms...

Daniel 12:7 (NIV2011)

7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

Here the angel is telling Daniel that the demise of Israel will take place over a period of three and a half years. Daniel asks the angel to explain because he didn't understand the message. The angel then told him very specifically the timeline, which was 1,290 days until the daily sacrifice ceased and later at 1,335 days the power of the holy people would be broken – that is the Jewish/Roman war would end. So in comparing the two timelines the 1,335 days were the same as 3 ½ years. And so we see that the three and a half years were only an approximation and not an exact figure. The 1,335 days was an exact number – which is not customary.


But this timeline is also referenced in Revelation 12. In Revelation chapter 12 john is retelling the history of the Church in apocalyptic language. He starts out with the birth of Jesus in about 4BC. Next he jumps about 33 years and moves to the crucifixion. And then he jumps once again 36 years to the flight of the Christians from Judea and Jerusalem in 66AD. So in a few sentences he has covered a period of almost 70 years.

Revelation states...

Revelation 12:6 (NIV2011)
6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.


This 1,260 days runs concurrent with Daniel's prophesy. While Jerusalem was undergoing a terrible tribulation - the Christians were rescued and safe in the town of Pella across the Jordan river to the north.


Also revelation repeats itself as it often does...


Revelation 12:14 (NIV2011)
14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.


Same place in the
wilderness as above - only this time we are back to the original definition of the angel in Daniels vision. Time, times and half a time.

In summary, all of these symbols are meant to be indicators of a time of tribulation. All of them represents an estimated period of time of about 3 ½ years. Except the numbers given to Daniel by the angel because of Daniel's request. If he hadn't questioned him further we would only have had the approximate number of 3 ½ years and not 1,290/1,335 days.


Now to update the post from 2010.


Cestius started his retreat on Cheshvan 5
th 66AD. A mass of zealots pursued him out of the city and en route they killed an estimated 5680 Roman soldiers. This gives us an indication of the massive number of Zealots that had left the city. The battle ceased when the Zealots had killed the 400 soldiers who Cestius left as a rear guard (suicide mission). During the night Cestius and the remainder of his army escaped and had a far enough lead that the Zealots broke off their pursuit at Antipatris. The Zealots returned to the battlefield and collected anything of value or use and then returned in a celebratory manner to the city of Jerusalem. They were gone from the city for a period of 8 days.

There are a very important question that must be answered at this point. First is “Why did Jesus warn the inhabitants to flee the city so quickly when they saw the terrorists (AoD) take over the Temple?

Matthew 24:15-18 (NIV2011)
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.
18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.


Yes, He was speaking in hyperbole, but His message was of extreme urgency. Why was this so urgent? Because when Cestius retreated from the city in 66AD there was
no Roman presence in Jerusalem until titus set up his siege in 70AD. The Christians had about three years to escape - or did they? So why then was their escape so urgent? Granted Vespasian and Titus returned and started taking over the cities of Judea and Galilee, but there was not so much urgency that someone could not retrieve their coat from their house.


The reason is given by Josephus. The Zealots or terrorists were murdering anyone who tried to leave the city, or who disagreed with them, or who wanted to come to terms with the Romans. This they apparently did by the thousands. The Christians had seen the AoD in the Temple, which was surrounded by armies and they knew it was time to flee. But they could not escape under these conditions.

But that suddenly changed – unexpectedly - because if Cestius had persevered – he would have put down the rebellion – says Josephus. When Cestius retreated and a vast horde of terrorists left the city to destroy him – the Christians now had a window of opportunity to escape from the city. This window lasted only
eight days while the Terrorists were occupied out of the city. This is why Jesus had indicated a great urgency to escape. The Zealots victory was hailed as happening on Cheshvan 8th. They returned on about Cheshvan 12th - from what I have read. Thus the eight days.

The history that John gives in Revelation 12 indicates what happened when they returned to Jerusalem...

Revelation 12:13-17 (NIV2011)

13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.
15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.
16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

According to this - the enraged satanically inspired Zealots seem to have pursued the Christians on their flight to Pella. The Christians had to cross the Jordan, which was very difficult when the river is at flood-stage – during harvest. Perhaps the Zealot's goal was to drive the Christians into the river. This part of the apocalyptic message is not borne out in history, but it seems to indicate a possible crossing of the Jordan may have been as Joshua crossed it in his day. The waters parted and piled up on a heap – just speculating.

In any case the Zealots abandoned their pursuit of the escaping Christians and turned back to Jerusalem to make war against the remaining Christians (and the elect) that stayed behind in the city.


The scriptures all fit together if you stay with it and insist that the interpretation be kept within the scope of those to whom it was written.
 
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I'll be reviewing the sequence from Josephus again. My understanding is that the order was given by Nero Caesar to General Vespasian to put down the revolt in Judea and Galilee in A.D. 66. This order was given after a failed Roman campaign in Galilee and Nero was furious. He sent his best general Vespasian to subdue Galilee and Judea. From that time until the destruction of Jerusalem, the policy never changed. The only thing that really put a delay in the process of the taking of Judea was that Vespasian was called back to Rome to become Caesar.


Vespasian went to the north toward Galilee with his armies, and he sent his Titus (also his best General) to Alexandria to muster the 5th and 10th legions to begin marching up from the south into Judea. This campaign was designed to push the Jews south toward Jerusalem in Galilee and north toward Jerusalem in Judea. City after city fell until at last the full siege of Jerusalem began on Passover of A.D 70. However, it would be a mistake to say that the city had not been given over to brigands and tyrants throughout the course of the 3 year sweep of Vespasian under Nero's orders. Titus basically just finished the job that had begun in 66. As far as the Christian flight in Pella, I completely agree and will try to find the relevant quotes in the church fathers.
However you want to put it, Jerusalem had been ravaged for 3 years prior to A.D. 70 because of the ensuing chaos in Galilee and Judea starting with the order of Nero to Vespasian in 66.

As far as the sequence of the Revelation in this context, we are in perfect agreement. The only thing that needs to be ironed out is the start. So I'll take it that you have begun your time sequence at Cheshvan 4-5.

So let's look at the difference in our timelines. You're beginning from Cheshvan 4-5 (Sat.-Sun. Oct. 9-10, A.D. 66). I'm beginning from the evening of Hanukkah (Feast of Dedication ) Kislev 25 (Sun. Nov. 28, A.D. 66) because when you calculate from Kislev 25 to the end of Elul A.D. 70 (the month that Josephus records the Romans as finishing the siege of Jerusalem and leaving), I think you will find that there are exactly 1335 Hebrew days. Our timelines are that close. And as it would have taken several weeks for news to return to Nero after the Cheshvan revolt of 66, it also stands to reason that it would be in the month Kislev. I think you are correct in stating that the impetus for Nero's order to Vespasian was in fact this revolt of Cheshvan 4-5. So I'm going to review this and if you don't mind, I'll add a note on this to the timeline with the relevant quotes from Josephus so that we can historically document all of this.

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Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Book 3: Chap. 1. Sec. 1-3
WHEN Nero was informed of the Romans' ill success in Judea, a concealed consternation and terror, as is usual in such cases, fell upon him; although he openly looked very big, and was very angry, and said that what had happened was rather owing to the negligence of the commander, than to any valor of the enemy: and as he thought it fit for him, who bare the burden of the whole empire, to despise such misfortunes, he now pretended so to do, and to have a soul superior to all such sad accidents whatsoever. Yet did the disturbance that was in his soul plainly appear by the solicitude he was in [how to recover his affairs again].

2. And as he was deliberating to whom he should commit the care of the East, now it was in so great a commotion, and who might be best able to punish the Jews for their rebellion, and might prevent the same distemper from seizing upon the neighboring nations also, - he found no one but Vespasian equal to the task, and able to undergo the great burden of so mighty a war, seeing he was growing an old man already in the camp, and from his youth had been exercised in warlike exploits: he was also a man that had long ago pacified the west, and made it subject to the Romans, when it had been put into disorder by the Germans; he had also recovered to them Britain by his arms, which had been little known before whereby he procured to his father Claudius to have a triumph bestowed on him without any sweat or labor of his own.

3. So Nero esteemed these circumstances as favorable omens, and saw that Vespasian's age gave him sure experience, and great skill, and that he had his sons as hostages for his fidelity to himself, and that the flourishing age they were in would make them fit instruments under their father's prudence. Perhaps also there was some interposition of Providence, which was paving the way for Vespasian's being himself emperor afterwards. Upon the whole, he sent this man to take upon him the command of the armies that were in Syria; but this not without great encomiums and flattering compellations, such as necessity required, and such as might mollify him into complaisance. So Vespasian sent his son Titus from Achaia, where he had been with Nero, to Alexandria, to bring back with him from thence the fifth and. the tenth legions, while he himself, when he had passed over the Hellespont, came by land into Syria, where he gathered together the Roman forces, with a considerable number of auxiliaries from the kings in that neighborhood.

 
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Here is the quote from Eusebius to which I think you refer regarding the Christian flight into Pella in fulfillment of the words of Christ related by Luke:
"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. -- Luke 21:20-22

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[Zerstoerung Jerusalems durch Titus, Wilhelm von Kaulbach, 1846]
Eusebius, Church History, Book III, Chap. 5.--The Last Siege of the Jews after Christ.
1. After Nero had held the power thirteen years, and Galba and Otho had ruled a year and six months, Vespasian, who had become distinguished in the campaigns against the Jews, was proclaimed sovereign in Judea and received the title of Emperor from the armies there. Setting out immediately, therefore, for Rome, he entrusted the conduct of the war against the Jews to his son Titus.

2. For the Jews after the ascension of our Saviour, in addition to their crime against him, had been devising as many plots as they could against his apostles. First Stephen was stoned to death by them, and after him James, the son of Zebedee and the brother of John, was beheaded, and finally James, the first that had obtained the episcopal seat in Jerusalem after the ascension of our Saviour, died in the manner already described. But the rest of the apostles, who had been incessantly plotted against with a view to their destruction, and had been driven out of the land of Judea, went unto all nations to preach the Gospel, relying upon the power of Christ, who had said to them, "Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name."

3. But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men.

4. But the number of calamities which everywhere fell upon the nation at that time; the extreme misfortunes to which the inhabitants of Judea were especially subjected, the thousands of men, as well as women and children, that perished by the sword, by famine, and by other forms of death innumerable,--all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,--all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus.

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[Ruins of Ancient Pella where the Church in Jerusalem fled before the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70]

And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. -- Rev. 12:14

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If you count back 1290 days from Tamuz 17 A.D. 70, you will also arrive at Hanukkah of A.D. 66. I completely agree with you as to Tamuz 17 being the anchor point for the 1290 days. See post #89 for the 1335 day calculation http://www.christianforums.com/t7737034-9/#post62985467

(A.D. 66) 8+
(A.D. 67) 365+
(A.D. 68) 365+
(A.D. 69) 365+
(A.D. 70) 187
= 1290 days from Kislev 24
(Eve of Hanukkah/Feast of Dedication)
A.D. 66 to Tamuz 17 A.D. 70


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November 67 Cheshvan - Kislev 3828
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A.D. 68 -- 365 Days
January 68 Tevet - Sh'vat 3828
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30/19 31/20
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January 69 Tevet - Sh'vat 3829
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June 69 Sivan - Tammuz 3829
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November 69 Kislev 3830
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December 69 Tevet - Sh'vat 3830
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January 70 Sh'vat - Adar I 3830
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Here is the relevant quote you refered to from Josephus concerning the cessation of the daily sacrifice on Tzom Tamuz (17 Tamuz/ July 12 A.D. 70) so we can have it in front of us.
Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Book VI, Chap. 2, Sec. 1 -- How the Daily Sacrifice was made to Cease upon 17 Tamuz A.D. 70
AND now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; while he himself had Josephus brought to him, (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called "the Daily Sacrifice" had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it,) and commanded him to say the same things to John that he had said before, that if he had any malicious inclination for fighting, he might come out with as many of his men as he pleased, in order to fight, without the danger of destroying either his city or temple; but that he desired he would not defile the temple, nor thereby offend against God. That he might, if he pleased, offer the sacrifices which were now discontinuned by any of the Jews whom he should pitch upon.

Upon this Josephus stood in such a place where he might be heard, not by John only, but by many more, and then declared to them what Caesar had given him in charge, and this in the Hebrew language.
So he earnestly prayed them to spare their own city, and to prevent that fire which was just ready to seize upon the temple, and to offer their usual sacrifices to God therein. At these words of his a great sadness and silence were observed among the people.

But the tyrant himself cast many reproaches upon Josephus, with imprecations besides; and at last added this withal, that he did never fear the taking of the city, because it was God's own city. In answer to which Josephus said thus with a loud voice: "To be sure thou hast kept this city wonderfully pure for God's sake; the temple also continues entirely unpolluted! Nor hast thou been guilty of ally impiety against him for whose assistance thou hopest! He still receives his accustomed sacrifices! Vile wretch that thou art! if any one should deprive thee of thy daily food, thou wouldst esteem him to be an enemy to thee; but thou hopest to have that God for thy supporter in this war whom thou hast deprived of his everlasting worship; and thou imputest those sins to the Romans, who to this very time take care to have our laws observed, and almost compel these sacrifices to be still offered to God, which have by thy means been intermitted! Who is there that can avoid groans and lamentations at the amazing change that is made in this city? since very foreigners and enemies do now correct that impiety which thou hast occasioned; while thou, who art a Jew, and wast educated in our laws, art become a greater enemy to them than the others. But still, John, it is never dishonorable to repent, and amend what hath been done amiss, even at the last extremity. Thou hast an instance before thee in Jechoniah,
the king of the Jews, if thou hast a mind to save the city, who, when the king of Babylon made war against him, did of his own accord go out of this city before it was taken, and did undergo a voluntary captivity with his family, that the sanctuary might not be delivered up to the enemy, and that he might not see the house of God set on fire; on which account he is celebrated among all the Jews, in their sacred memorials, and his memory is become immortal, and will be conveyed fresh down to our posterity through all ages. This, John, is an excellent example in such a time of danger, and I dare venture to promise that the Romans shall still forgive thee. And take notice that I, who make this exhortation to thee, am one of thine own nation; I, who am a Jew, do make this promise to thee. And it will become thee to consider who I am that give thee this counsel, and whence I am derived; for while I am alive I shall never be in such slavery, as to forego my own kindred, or forget the laws of our forefathers. Thou hast indignation at me again, and makest a clamor at me, and reproachest me; indeed I cannot deny but I am worthy of worse treatment than all this amounts to, because, in opposition to fate, I make this kind invitation to thee, and endeavor to force deliverance upon those whom God hath condemned. And who is there that does not know what the writings of the ancient prophets contain in them, - and particularly that oracle which is just now going to be fulfilled upon this miserable city? For they foretold that this city should be then taken when somebody shall begin the slaughter of his own countrymen. And are not both the city and the entire temple now full of the dead bodies of your countrymen? It is God, therefore, it is God himself who is bringing on this fire, to purge that city and temple by means of the Romans, and is going to pluck up this city, which is full of your pollutions."

 
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I'll be reviewing the sequence from Josephus again. My understanding is that the order was given by Nero Caesar to General Vespasian to put down the revolt in Judea and Galilee in A.D. 66. This order was given after a failed Roman campaign in Galilee and Nero was furious. He sent his best general Vespasian to subdue Galilee and Judea. From that time until the destruction of Jerusalem, the policy never changed. The only thing that really put a delay in the process of the taking of Judea was that Vespasian was called back to Rome to become Caesar.

It was Agrippa II who made the first attempt to put down the rebellion at Jerusalem. He sent in about 2,000 troops and was repulsed. That is when Nero ordered the incompetent Cestius to move the 12th legion (Also the 6th?) to Jerusalem to put down the rebellion.

But the time line comes out really well using the uncorrected calendar. Why an uncorrected calendar you say? Possibly for two reasons. Because of the war the Sanhedrin may not have been functions as the tree groups of terrorists were in control. The grand Sanhedrin was responsible for the calendar and they made it up as they went along (Mishnah – Sanhedrin). I don't know if the Jews followed the Metonic 19 year calendar or not. I know that they had no fixed calendar. If they did at least reference it - it could have been one of the long intervals of the Metonic.


Vespasian went to the north toward Galilee with his armies, and he sent his Titus (also his best General) to Alexandria to muster the 5th and 10th legions to begin marching up from the south into Judea. This campaign was designed to push the Jews south toward Jerusalem in Galilee and north toward Jerusalem in Judea. City after city fell until at last the full siege of Jerusalem began on Passover of A.D 70. However, it would be a mistake to say that the city had not been given over to brigands and tyrants throughout the course of the 3 year sweep of Vespasian under Nero's orders. Titus basically just finished the job that had begun in 66. As far as the Christian flight in Pella, I completely agree and will try to find the relevant quotes in the church fathers.However you want to put it, Jerusalem had been ravaged for 3 years prior to A.D. 70 because of the ensuing chaos in Galilee and Judea starting with the order of Nero to Vespasian in 66.


Yes, Nero did decide to send one of his most experienced generals to put down the rebellion in Judea. Titus was capturing escapees from the city from time to time and was using them for intelligence as to the status of the city. He was told about the three factions that were fighting among themselves and of the civilians that were being murdered. And so Titus took his good old time before he finally set up the siege. Why fight when the zealots are doing the job for the Romans.


As far as the sequence of the Revelation in this context, we are in perfect agreement. The only thing that needs to be ironed out is the start. So I'll take it that you have begun your time sequence at Cheshvan 4-5.

So let's look at the difference in our timelines. You're beginning from Cheshvan 4-5 (Sat.-Sun. Oct. 9-10, A.D. 66). I'm beginning from the evening of Hanukkah (Feast of Dedication ) Kislev 25 (Sun. Nov. 28, A.D. 66) because when you calculate from Kislev 25 to the end of Elul A.D. 70 (the month that Josephus records the Romans as finishing the siege of Jerusalem and leaving), I think you will find that there are exactly 1335 Hebrew days. Our timelines are that close. And as it would have taken several weeks for news to return to Nero after the Cheshvan revolt of 66, it also stands to reason that it would be in the month Kislev. I think you are correct in stating that the impetus for Nero's order to Vespasian was in fact this revolt of Cheshvan 4-5. So I'm going to review this and if you don't mind, I'll add a note on this to the timeline with the relevant quotes from Josephus so that we can historically document all of this.
Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Book 3: Chap. 1. Sec. 1-3
WHEN Nero was informed of the Romans' ill success in Judea, a concealed consternation and terror, as is usual in such cases, fell upon him; although he openly looked very big, and was very angry, and said that what had happened was rather owing to the negligence of the commander, than to any valor of the enemy: and as he thought it fit for him, who bare the burden of the whole empire, to despise such misfortunes, he now pretended so to do, and to have a soul superior to all such sad accidents whatsoever. Yet did the disturbance that was in his soul plainly appear by the solicitude he was in [how to recover his affairs again].

2. And as he was deliberating to whom he should commit the care of the East, now it was in so great a commotion, and who might be best able to punish the Jews for their rebellion, and might prevent the same distemper from seizing upon the neighboring nations also, - he found no one but Vespasian equal to the task, and able to undergo the great burden of so mighty a war, seeing he was growing an old man already in the camp, and from his youth had been exercised in warlike exploits: he was also a man that had long ago pacified the west, and made it subject to the Romans, when it had been put into disorder by the Germans; he had also recovered to them Britain by his arms, which had been little known before whereby he procured to his father Claudius to have a triumph bestowed on him without any sweat or labor of his own.


3. So Nero esteemed these circumstances as favorable omens, and saw that Vespasian's age gave him sure experience, and great skill, and that he had his sons as hostages for his fidelity to himself, and that the flourishing age they were in would make them fit instruments under their father's prudence. Perhaps also there was some interposition of Providence, which was paving the way for Vespasian's being himself emperor afterwards. Upon the whole, he sent this man to take upon him the command of the armies that were in Syria; but this not without great encomiums and flattering compellations, such as necessity required, and such as might mollify him into complaisance. So Vespasian sent his son Titus from Achaia, where he had been with Nero, to Alexandria, to bring back with him from thence the fifth and. the tenth legions, while he himself, when he had passed over the Hellespont, came by land into Syria, where he gathered together the Roman forces, with a considerable number of auxiliaries from the kings in that neighborhood.
 
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I encourage you to read the entire article provided in the link below. I don't agree with their usage of the Hebrew Calendar, but it would be hard to give a better defense of why the Hebrew luni-solar calendar of today is the same that was used in post-Babylonian Jewry and which Ezra the Scribe definitely used. It doesn't do any damage to the lunar calendar to make it correspond with the solar calendar and to keep it in line. What was once done through observation can be and is done today through mathematics.

Not only is the Hebrew calendar today correct, one can know that it is correct. I commend you to the following reading and consideration. It's not going to make any difference anyway as Josephus was using the Babylonian luni-solar calendar to calculate his days. So whichever you want to to call it, it's going to be calculated at 1290 days back from July 12 (17 Tamuz) using the post-babylonian luni-solar calendar. Daniel and John in Revelation would have also been using the luni-solar calendar. If you follow Josephus, you will arrive back at 24 Kislev A.D. 66 (Eve of Hanukkah/Feast of Dedication). A.D. 70 is a metonic year. This is verifiable in that Josephus gives us an explicit date of the 7th Sabbathical year as being in the 143rd year of the Seleucids, and this is a rock solid date with evidence from multiple sources. Not only can only deduce the Sabbathical years and correct Jubilee cycles using Josephus, you can even get on the correct metonic/golden year cycle.

The Hebrew Calendar: Is it reliable?
 
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