What exactly is the gospel???

[Cribstyl]

Finally, a thread worth reading.

Stryder's gospel requires sabbathkeeping. Such a debate will cause a nuclear fallout to change the dailog to faith vs works of the law.

 

[shturt678]

=tall73;62843120]1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
1Co 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
1Co 15:6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
1Co 15:11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1Co 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

The Gospel must be thought of in terms of power and the means of grace, i.e., the channel through which grace reaches sinners. Also there is, absolutely, "a different gospel" hence we have to be sure we have the valid power coming through due to the antichristian's power, Rev.13. Good job, enjoyed.

 

[Cribstyl]

What exactly is the gospel???
What do you consider the gospel contains?

Please provide some scriptures to support your comments, if you can.
Blessings.

 

[Setyoufree]

What exactly is the gospel???
What do you consider the gospel contains?

Please provide some scriptures to support your comments, if you can.
Blessings.

Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder's gospel requires sabbathkeeping. Such a debate will cause a nuclear fallout to change the dailog to faith vs works of the law.

It's not "Stryder's gospel" Crib. The gospel message never changed. How it's been handled by those it was entrusted to, that's another subject altogether.

 

[Stryder06]

It's lasted over 2000 years. Some also thought the fellowship thread wouldn't last. But some are persistent and keep it going. I suggest if everyone loses interest, me and you can keep it going. We're both just hard-headed enough to do that.

 

[Cribstyl]

It's not "Stryder's gospel" Crib. The gospel message never changed. How it's been handled by those it was entrusted to, that's another subject altogether.

Respectfully
You're right the message never changed. It has alway been about Jesus and the power of the cross.
What we have written from the day of Pentecost can and will be posted to show the gospel that was taught. That's what this thread will prove in the end.
Having SDA commentary saying: "Paul kept the sabbath" or "Jesus kept the sabbath, He was Lord of the sabbath" are stunts based on faulty reasoning, not scriptures. That's not gospel, it's another gospel.

Scriptures upon scriptures show what we must believe to be saved.

 

[Stryder06]

Respectfully
You're right the message never changed. It has alway been about Jesus and the power of the cross.
What we have written from the day of Pentecost can and will be posted to show the gospel that was taught. That's what this thread will prove in the end.

Funny enough is that most people don't really understand the cross because they don't really understand atonement, and they don't really understand atonement because they don't really understand the sanctuary.

Having SDA commentary saying: "Paul kept the sabbath" or "Jesus kept the sabbath, He was Lord of the sabbath" are stunts based on faulty reasoning, not scriptures. That's not gospel, it's another gospel.

Scriptures upon scriptures show what we must believe to be saved.

Well I have no desire to argue this with you. Proclaim what you will. I do believe I respected your wishes and provided you with an answer as requested. I'll leave it at that.

 

[shturt678]

Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".

Excellent work! Just in the minors, "just for the Jews, then the Greeks" just being a little legalistic but the work was superb, might as well make the whole perfect? I'm also a ICor.1 Lutheran, with you, except more with v.23, "Christ crucified" is the sum and substance and the center of the Gospel from which every part of the Gospelradiates.

 

[Cribstyl]

Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".

I agree that there is not any works man can add to the gift of salvation. Until you personally accept the gift (by faith) you have nothing.

 

[Setyoufree]

Excellent work!

Paul thanks you!

Just in the minors, "just for the Jews, then the Greeks" just being a little legalistic

All Paul meant by that was the gospel was first delivered to the Jews through Abraham. Of course we know what happened: The majority of the Jews rejected Him.

Hence the gospel went to the Gentiles. The Apostle Paul was specifically raised up by God to present the gospel to us Gentiles.

"I am the apostle to the Gentiles" Rom 11:13

 

[Setyoufree]

I agree that there is not any works man can add to the gift of salvation. Until you personally accept the gift (by faith) you have nothing.

Actually, because of what Christ did even those who haven't accepted Him have benefited.

Rom 5:8 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.

All men, both saint and sinner, owes their earthly life to God's grace. For God brings the rain on the just and the unjust.

However, it is true that for those who persistently reject Christ, ultimately they have nothing except "a fearful expectation of judgment".

To remain under law means death, but to reign under grace means life.

 

[Cribstyl]

Actually, because of what Christ did even those who haven't accepted Him have benefited.

Rom 5:8 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.

All men, both saint and sinner, owes their earthly life to God's grace. For God brings the rain on the just and the unjust.

However, it is true that for those who persistently reject Christ, ultimately they have nothing except "a fearful expectation of judgment".

To remain under law means death, but to reign under grace means life.

. When you say actually, you're not quoting scripture. That cant be good.

What benefits are you talking about?
Tell us why the Jews are branch that is broken off?
The scriptures proves that they were broken off because of unbelief.

The question is asked: What shall I do to be saved? You answer is......

 

[Cribstyl]

Paul thanks you!



All Paul meant by that was the gospel was first delivered to the Jews through Abraham. Of course we know what happened: The majority of the Jews rejected Him.

Hence the gospel went to the Gentiles. The Apostle Paul was specifically raised up by God to present the gospel to us Gentiles.

"I am the apostle to the Gentiles" Rom 11:13

Your friends wont help you with bible truths because they're also too busy making stuff up.

After Jesus sent the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, it's clear that the Jews was the first to hear the gospel. This fulfilled the scriptures to whom the covenant and the promises was made in the first place.

Act 3:25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Act 3:26Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Act 13:26Men [and] brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
Act 13:46Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

 

[Setyoufree]

. When you say actually, you're not quoting scripture. ..

Actually I was....

 

[Cribstyl]

Actually I was....

Well, explain to us how those who haven't accepted Him benefits?
You said....what Christ did even those who haven't accepted Him have benefited. Is that scripture? NO.

The gospel is clear that we have to believe to be saved. How can you leave believing out of the equation?

Jhn 3:15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Tangible]

Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."

The gospel is entirely of God's doing in Christ Jesus. This righteousness , received by faith, is the same righteousness that saves believers at the beginning of their faith until the day they die. Hence "from first to last"!

The gospel is not "I + Christ", but instead "not I, but Christ". There is no human contribution in what God did in Christ Jesus. It is gift entirely of God's doing in Christ.

1 Cor 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence (again no human contribution). 30 But of Him (God) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--that is, our justification, and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord."

"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and glorified (i.e., redeemed from sin).

We are saved from beginning to end by the righteousness of God through Christ. Nothing we experience adds to what we have in Christ.

Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".

This is most certainly true.

 

[shturt678]

Romans 1:16 I (Paul) am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The just by faith shall live."


Anything outside this truth is a perversion of the gospel and it therefore is "another gospel, which is really no gospel at all".
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Good job, we are on the same page, just small adjustments with IICor.11:4, "....different Gospel,...." but in the sense you so well brought forth, except the other adjustment would be "which is truly a gospel, but a false gospel. "...which you did not receive (from us),...." My end point is: When we base our Gospel upon any half truth, we quickly can cross that line, and unknowingly, have a "different gospel" before us thinking is't genuine.

 

[Cribstyl]

Paul thanks you!



All Paul meant by that was the gospel was first delivered to the Jews through Abraham. Of course we know what happened: The majority of the Jews rejected Him.

Where are your friends on this

 

[MoreCoffee]

GOSPEL is the “good news” of God’s mercy and love revealed in the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. It is this Gospel or good news that the Apostles, and the Church following them, are to proclaim to the entire world. The Gospel is handed on in the apostolic tradition of the Church as the source of all–saving truth and moral discipline. The four Gospels are the books written by the evangelists Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John which have for their central object Jesus Christ, God’s incarnate Son: his life, teachings, Passion and glorification, and his Church’s beginnings under the Spirit’s guidance.

The Paschal mystery of Christ’s cross and Resurrection stands at the center of the Good News that the apostles, and the Church following them, are to proclaim to the world. God’s saving plan was accomplished “once for all” by the redemptive death of his Son Jesus Christ.

The Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel. “The Law is a pedagogy and a prophecy of things to come.” It prophesies and presages the work of liberation from sin which will be fulfilled in Christ: it provides the New Testament with images, “types,” and symbols for expressing the life according to the Spirit. Finally, the Law is completed by the teaching of the sapiential books and the prophets which set its course toward the New Covenant and the Kingdom of heaven.

Christ the Lord, in whom the entire Revelation of the most high God is summed up, commanded the apostles to preach the Gospel, which had been promised beforehand by the prophets, and which he fulfilled in his own person and promulgated with his own lips. In preaching the Gospel, they were to communicate the gifts of God to all men. This Gospel was to be the source of all saving truth and moral discipline.[cf. Mt 28:19-20; Mk 16:15]

The Word of God, which is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith, is set forth and displays its power in a most wonderful way in the writings of the New Testament which hand on the ultimate truth of God’s Revelation. Their central object is Jesus Christ, God’s incarnate Son: his acts, teachings, Passion and glorification, and his Church’s beginnings under the Spirit’s guidance.

Many things about Jesus of interest to human curiosity do not figure in the Gospels. Almost nothing is said about his hidden life at Nazareth, and even a great part of his public life is not recounted. What is written in the Gospels was set down there “so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.”

(Sources, Scripture, CCC, Documents of Vatican II)