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I just heard an audio clip about the doctrine of Regeneration by Alistair Begg. I can't link it here, but it was so awesome I wanted to share it with you all.

The word of the gospel is a word that comes to a rebel heart.

I am a rebel against God. I may be indifferent to Him, I may be antagonistic to Him, But I'm actually rebelling against him.

He (God) then comes, by the Bible, and he says "I am commanding you to do an about-turn, to repent of your sins and to believe in me."

And the individual says "There is no way that is going to happen! It will take a miracle for that to happen!"

Yes it will.

That is the miracle of regeneration.


I know synergists disagree. But that is, in very few words, without possibility of being any clearer, the doctrine of monergism/irresistible grace.
 

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I just heard an audio clip about the doctrine of Regeneration by Alistair Begg. I can't link it here, but it was so awesome I wanted to share it with you all.

The word of the gospel is a word that comes to a rebel heart.

I am a rebel against God. I may be indifferent to Him, I may be antagonistic to Him, But I'm actually rebelling against him.

He (God) then comes, by the Bible, and he says "I am commanding you to do an about-turn, to repent of your sins and to believe in me."

And the individual says "There is no way that is going to happen! It will take a miracle for that to happen!"

Yes it will.

That is the miracle of regeneration.


I know synergists disagree. But that is, in very few words, without possibility of being any clearer, the doctrine of monergism/irresistible grace.

Well said - Allistar Begg isn't so bad for a baby splasher.... :D
 
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I just heard an audio clip about the doctrine of Regeneration by Alistair Begg. I can't link it here, but it was so awesome I wanted to share it with you all.

The word of the gospel is a word that comes to a rebel heart.

I am a rebel against God. I may be indifferent to Him, I may be antagonistic to Him, But I'm actually rebelling against him.

He (God) then comes, by the Bible, and he says "I am commanding you to do an about-turn, to repent of your sins and to believe in me."

And the individual says "There is no way that is going to happen! It will take a miracle for that to happen!"

Yes it will.

That is the miracle of regeneration.


I know synergists disagree. But that is, in very few words, without possibility of being any clearer, the doctrine of monergism/irresistible grace.

It's too awful to contemplate Skala.
 
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I just heard an audio clip about the doctrine of Regeneration by Alistair Begg. I can't link it here, but it was so awesome I wanted to share it with you all.

The word of the gospel is a word that comes to a rebel heart.

I am a rebel against God. I may be indifferent to Him, I may be antagonistic to Him, But I'm actually rebelling against him.

He (God) then comes, by the Bible, and he says "I am commanding you to do an about-turn, to repent of your sins and to believe in me."

And the individual says "There is no way that is going to happen! It will take a miracle for that to happen!"

Yes it will.

That is the miracle of regeneration.


I know synergists disagree. But that is, in very few words, without possibility of being any clearer, the doctrine of monergism/irresistible grace.

I see monergism written all over the part I highlighted in red.

I then ask, if an individual does NOT do a turn-about, does NOT repent of his sins, and does NOT believe in Christ, is he regenerated?
 
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Thank you Behe. You are the only one brave enough to answer this question -

I then ask, if an individual does NOT do a turn-about, does NOT repent of his sins, and does NOT believe in Christ, is he regenerated?

Perhaps others see where their 'NO' answer leads, thus shy away from answering.

But I will wait to see if any other Calvinists answer this question. Please, anyone may answer if they wish. BTW, my answer is NO also.
 
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Thank you Behe. You are the only one brave enough to answer this question -

I then ask, if an individual does NOT do a turn-about, does NOT repent of his sins, and does NOT believe in Christ, is he regenerated?

Perhaps others see where their 'NO' answer leads, thus shy away from answering.

But I will wait to see if any other Calvinists answer this question. Please, anyone may answer if they wish. BTW, my answer is NO also.

I agree with BB. I didn't know I was supposed to weigh in.
 
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I agree with BB. I didn't know I was supposed to weigh in.

So, we both agree a person who does not turn around, repent of his sins, and believe in Christ, is regenerated.

Then I ask why is it you believe, a person can be regenerated before any of these things? If this is the case, we would have 'regenerated' people in the kingdom who have not turned to God, who keep, love, and commit sins of the old man, and who do not know, believe, and follow Jesus. In other words, the church would be full of dead men's bones, so to speak. The church would have rampant sin, immoral behavior, unbelief, and ungodliness all throughout it.

So, I think we both can see it is only those who turn to God, repent of their sins, and believe in Christ, who are regenerated, and thus, have a new life. Therefore, they are presented holy and blameless before Him.
 
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Maybe I missed it in the discussion but if the Calvinist is going to deny regeneration to the soul who is struggling with conversion and acceptance over a period of time, how does he reconcile his understanding of regeneration with man's inability to even have such struggles? I cannot count the number of people I have known over the years who struggled with condemnation and conviction for long periods before finally relenting to the grace of God. God was at work in their lives for a long time yet the replies you are getting would deny any regeneration to such men and women even though they define regeneration as preceding the accepting of Christ. How in the world could such "dead men" ever have such struggles?
 
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So, we both agree a person who does not turn around, repent of his sins, and believe in Christ, is regenerated.

Then I ask why is it you believe, a person can be regenerated before any of these things? If this is the case, we would have 'regenerated' people in the kingdom who have not turned to God, who keep, love, and commit sins of the old man, and who do not know, believe, and follow Jesus. In other words, the church would be full of dead men's bones, so to speak. The church would have rampant sin, immoral behavior, unbelief, and ungodliness all throughout it.

So, I think we both can see it is only those who turn to God, repent of their sins, and believe in Christ, who are regenerated, and thus, have a new life. Therefore, they are presented holy and blameless before Him.

I think the disconnect is on a difference of understanding on what regeneration is. You see it as something that is earned by man, we see it as something that is given by God.

In my view regeneration makes it possible for a man to turn to God. In your view it is some sort of reward given to man for turning to God. That is not what regeneration is nor is it scriptural. Your view pits James and Romans against each other - my view makes them compliment each other.
 
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So, we both agree a person who does not turn around, repent of his sins, and believe in Christ, is regenerated.
But for different reasons.
Then I ask why is it you believe, a person can be regenerated before any of these things?
Because that's what scripture teaches.
If this is the case, we would have 'regenerated' people in the kingdom who have not turned to God, who keep, love, and commit sins of the old man, and who do not know, believe, and follow Jesus. In other words, the church would be full of dead men's bones, so to speak. The church would have rampant sin, immoral behavior, unbelief, and ungodliness all throughout it.
That doesn't follow. You asked "if an individual does NOT do a turn-about, does NOT repent of his sins, and does NOT believe in Christ, is he regenerated?" The question, as I read it, asks if a person who is not regenerate will do these things. The opposite question is if a person who is regenerate will do a turn around, will repent of his sins, and will believe in Christ? That answer is yes.
So, I think we both can see it is only those who turn to God, repent of their sins, and believe in Christ, who are regenerated, and thus, have a new life. Therefore, they are presented holy and blameless before Him.
I see how poorly you asked the question and misunderstood the answer.
 
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Skala

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It's too awful to contemplate Skala.

Yes, God saving you by grace, instead of allowing you to earn your salvation to give you something to boast about is probably too awful for you, Janx, to contemplate.
 
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@ Arcoe:

The monergist position is that no man would even be inclined to turn from the sin he loves and submit to the God he hates until his heart is changed.

A watered down, liberal view of sin is what is responsible for the idea that this is possible without a heart change. It is based on the presupposition that there is nothing wrong with man. He isn't fallen. He's neutral. It's easy for him to embrace a holy God and turn from his sin. He has no preference or inclination one way or another. Choosing God is as easy as choosing vanilla over chocolate ice cream.
 
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But for different reasons.
Because that's what scripture teaches.
That doesn't follow. You asked "if an individual does NOT do a turn-about, does NOT repent of his sins, and does NOT believe in Christ, is he regenerated?" The question, as I read it, asks if a person who is not regenerate will do these things. The opposite question is if a person who is regenerate will do a turn around, will repent of his sins, and will believe in Christ? That answer is yes.

I see how poorly you asked the question and misunderstood the answer.

ok lets make this clear, a dead man has no resources to trust and repent and believe, because he is dead, now the word says that we are all spiritually dead and severed from God, naturally rebelious and hateful and supressive of his truth, that means that if we could know god in our dead state we would only hate him more, like the pharisees did when he raised lazarus, knowing he was the heir did nothing for them, they still wanted the son dead.

God must raise us from the dead, and cover our dead bones with flesh clothe us with flesh and give us a new spirit and a heart of flesh, then ONLY THEN we will be responsive to him, a heart of stone is irresponsive shouting facts doesnt make any difference the gospel is veiled to those who are perishing, they see but dont perceive, they hear but dont understand, and this is exactly what ezekiel saw God would do in the new covenant. (ezek 36:22 to 32)

So God himself vindicates sovereign election, unless he regenerates us first we can never accept him or recognize sin, or repent, or believ or have faith. Period. Superficial religion wont work, trying very hard to look like you know God will not work, only being a new creature will work.

So no, no unregenerate man can come no God, because his fallen nature stops him from doing so, just like a dead man cant see or hear or think, the natural man cannot know God, let me give you an example.

1 cor 2

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10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.d

14The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."

Here you clearly see that the only way a man can comprehend the things of GGod is if he has Gods spirit in him, because without his spirit we have no access to the understandign of the gospel, the spirit of the natural man can only know it self, Before man can repent trust and believe HE MUST BE GIVEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD, hence REGENERATION preceeding all the others, and its a gift of the spirit, its not a unbiased choice of man.

Man is unable and unwilling to chose God, Period, if God had not elected some, no man would be saved, we would all be perpetually his enemies with a dead unclean spirit.
 
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