The Greatest Deception of all Time

[Marantha]

In response to Jipsah,

blah, blah, blah.

I am a busy man..... Come with something real and I may be moved to respond to what you put forth.

I will respond to your advice on malware however. The computer is verified clean with no bugs; it seems the redirection only occurred for a few weeks. I am very experienced with these types of problems. I do however, thank you for presenting a solution to that problem if your intent to help was sincere.

C'est La Vie


Come Lord Jesus
Marantha

 

[James-49]

You believe there will be an "antichrist", and therefore you put forth the video putting forth this "deception" that will bring him forth.

I say, that antichrist has always been...and it is not always an individual, but exist in many forms...institutions (for instance). As 1 John has said "many false prophets have gone out into the world". He also said the "spirit of antichrist" was already in the world.

I agree. I've heard it said that:

"The greatest deception the devil pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

What I say is:

"The greatest deception the devil pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist ... yet."

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Judas was called the son of perdition in the bible. Was Judas openly against Christ or in the camp of Christ? Deception is the devil's greatest tool. Do you think he is going to use the antichrist and false prophet to deceive if they are openly against Christ? What kind of sorry attempt of deception would that be.

The son of perdition draws back to Judas, as a type of the antichrist, or future son of perdition. Both are inhabited by satan. I think the false prophet of Rev. was Mohammed, and not any pope. I dont think there will be a playing out of Rev. as some imagine, with the two of them working worders around the third temple, that would be a bit obvious, even for unbelievers.

The 8 king list of Rev. didnt come to pass. It was probably an imaginary line of Roman Emperors, which never happened. As no one has offered any explanation of what it is about, i suspect that no one ever will, and Jesus himself will probably be baffled by it, when he returns, and people ask him what it's supposed to mean.

You're not letting the scripture guide you to your conclusion. Mohammed?? But there you go again. Mohammed can be considered someone who openly opposed Christ. You keep looking for an open opponent. The devil isn't so lame. Once he got tired of killing the early Christians and it wasn't working, he decided to join the church himself and corrupt it from the inside. Judas worked on the inside and only Jesus knew what Judas was really up to. All the disciples, just like you were deceived by Judas because he was a "follower of Jesus".

When John wrote to his church and warned them about the Antichrist that are present who would cause trouble in the church, he was not talking about outsiders who would show up and preach that Satan is the real savior. What happened was people within the very congregation would rise up and start drawing away the members and this is what happened. Gnosticism entered the church but it was a subtle approach where they would attend services as usual and approach members individually and tell them about the 'new truth" they have learned.

Mohammed was a false prophet, but not THE false prophet. Both the false prophet and the antichrist/beast would be posers. Entities that pretend to be for God. When the man of sin sits in the temple of God showing himself to be God it is not a literal temple. The temple of God refers to God's people according to the NT. He is among God's people. He is within Christianity not outside of it. And from within Christianity he exalts himself to hold the place of God.

In Matthew 24 Jesus keeps telling us to not be deceived. If it was as obvious as Islam or some other person, religion or organization that was openly against Christ then we really wouldn't need to be so careful as to not being deceived. Many people will follow the Antichrist straight into the lake of fire without even realizing that they were actually following the Antichrist.

 

[Marantha]

Great post....well spoken.

There have been many antichrists; and we are about to see THE antichrist, the FINAL antichrist. God said literally he MADE evil in Isaiah 45. This final antichrist will be allowed to deceive, BY GOD, to give people the final choice to serve God and the truth..... or be damned by Lucifer and the LIE.

God is in control. God and Christ made everything. SATAN CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING.

Here is the the plan for the deception that will introduce him to the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EbhHRxmLrA



Come Lord Jesus
Marantha

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Mohammed was a false prophet, but not THE false prophet. Both the false prophet and the antichrist/beast would be posers. Entities that pretend to be for God. When the man of sin sits in the temple of God showing himself to be God it is not a literal temple. The temple of God refers to God's people according to the NT. He is among God's people. He is within Christianity not outside of it. And from within Christianity he exalts himself to hold the place of God.

Maybe you'r right. Perhaps they are two latter day figures. I wouldnt rule out the building of the third temple. Some people have suggested that the muslims believe that Obama is their Mahdi, and will help build the temple 'of Solomon' or Suleiman, as known to the Muslims.. i think that's possible.
I dont think the pope was or is the antichrist, sitting in the temple (church) i think it will be literal, and not the pope, although the pope is in the scenario.

 

[Marantha]

The new Pope will be the false prophet supporting and convincing the masses that the antichrist is the messiah.

The two primary characters in the great tribulation that starts very, very soon.

Glory to Jesus Christ
Marantha

 

[1disciple]

The new Pope will be the false prophet supporting and convincing the masses that the antichrist is the messiah.

The two primary characters in the great tribulation that starts very, very soon.

Glory to Jesus Christ
Marantha

I hope it begins soon because Dispensationalists have put me under great tribulation for about 25 years now.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Jipsah]

I am a busy man.

So we've seen.

 

[Interplanner]

weary of the continual adapting to today's news and latest thumpings from "Bible experts on prophecy" some people really thought mar.22.13 was it--the big Abominator or something over in Dome of Rock--or maybe a nightclub by that name? Maybe the Abominators were a band? Heavy metal--as in strontium? Anyway, now its Apr.11.13, and Acts 13's sermon still tells us what all Israel's destiny, mission, prophecy, meaning, and shape was about: the arrival of the crucified and resurrected Messiah, endowed with David's blessings, so that we could be justified from our sins and have a mission to the nations. And so they could too. Like Paul.

--Inter

 

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[eclipsenow]

(I've deleted this post myself. My sheer incredulity at this whole conversation may have got the better of me.)

 

[eclipsenow]

Well sir, if you let the video load to see it; you will find that is EXACTLY what is demonstrated... the entire plan. Not as the antichrist, but the involvement in the plan.

Glory to God
Marantha

Is it for really truly wooly true this time?

 

[eclipsenow]

the papacy isn't the antichrist as it hasn't been anti-Christ historically, if it was there would be no protestant church. Pope Paul II was an antichrist, but I think the Obomination is the actual antichrist, or more precisely the son of perdition.

Titus was the AoD in AD70. Done and dusted.

An antichrist is anyone who denies Jesus was God. There's dozens of them in my street alone!

 

[eclipsenow]

There have been many prophecy "experts" posted on this forum over the years, and none of them have been correct to date, so appealing to how popular someone is really doesn't mean much here.

So true...

Indeed. If the antichrist does or does not appear by the end of September 2013 (and not just conveniently "appear" spiritually to a select few), then we'll know how much their expertise and the Zohar is worth.

An actual prediction for this year again?

Didn't learn last time huh?

"Oh the humanity!"

 

[BluhdoftheLamb]

really truly wooly true

really truly wooly true!

*ahem* I think that's really truly wuely twoo

 

[eclipsenow]

*ahem* I think that's really truly wuely twoo

Ha ha! Thanks, I've always wondered how to spell it!

 

[NumberOneSon]

That part was just speculation; personal opinion. The rest of the information is thoroughly documented.

LOL, "that part" was supposedly the strongest evidence Horn had to offer. Earlier in the video Horn was asked to give his opinion where this was all headed, and Horn said “this is all heading toward an imminent great deception”. So you disregard his opinion about the Vatican telescope (which admittedly was his strongest evidence) as just mere speculation, but you’ll take his personal opinion about the great deception as “undeniable”?

Look, those two guys were on that show because of their new book, and they made a lot of claims about the Vatican saying this and astronomers saying that, etc., but you can’t say they’ve “shown” undeniable evidence and that it’s “all documented” until you purchase the book and research their claims for yourself. You don’t just accept what those two guys say because they say it. Make sense?

Even more impressive is that the information presented is verified by high sources inside the Vatican itself.

How do you know this? Did you read the book?

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Titus was the AoD in AD70. Done and dusted.

An antichrist is anyone who denies Jesus was God. There's dozens of them in my street alone!

true for antichrist, but they are more specific about son of perdition/man of sin. i dont use the term antichrist much, because it's not very accurate.
The bits in Daniel seem to be more of hints about the son of perdition, an archetype. But i dont think the A of D is over with. Titus didn't defile the temple, they destroyed it by accident, it burnt down and they had to prise the stones apart to get the gold.

Antiochus was the main character who defiled the temple. I still think that them giving Obama the Nobel peace prize for doing nothing, exactly 3.5 years to the day, before March 22nd, is not another coincidence.
it confirms that there is something to the Daniel Timeline, even if it's not a replay of 167 BC.. word for word, which is what people are looking for.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

How do you know this? Did you read the book?

I wouldn't waste money on their books. Apollyon Rising was total rubbish. I wondered if Tom Horn was ever a Christian, after reading that money-making scam of nonsense.