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The Book of Jasher tells us what "Ur" was, it was the "fire" of the Kasdim/Chaldees, which Nimrod had Abram thrown into, and Abram lived three days in the fire.
He was thrown into the fire because he smashed his father, Terah's, false gods, and mocked them. He had been living with Noah and Shem [at Mount Moriah] for 30 years, learning the ways of YHWH while hiding out from Nimrod, who wanted to kill him when he had dreams of him at his birth, and who had thought that he had killed him, but discovered Terah gave him a slave's son to kill, back when Abram was born.

Terah hid him with his mother for ten years in a cave, then he lived with Noah and Shem for 30 years, and he came back to his father's house after the Tower of Bab-El was destroyed, and he smashed his father's gods.
Terah told Nimrod.
Nimrod was angry that Abraham was still alive.
Terah blamed his older son, Haran for the deception, and both Haran and Abram were thrown into the fire -אור 'Uwr.

Haran was the father of Sarah/Iscah, Lot and Milcah [Genesis 11:29]. Sarah was taken as a wife by Abram at that time.

The story in Jasher 11 Jasher Chapter 11 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887

Then abram's escape from the fire, and his call to go out from that land, afterwards, are in chapters 12 and 13.


13 Jasher Chapter 13 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887


Using extra biblical sources to interpret what the bible says is unwise...
 
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He was Shem, and "morphed" into the "likeness" of the Son of God by the Holy Spirit, in leaving his genealogy out, in Genesis, so as to type the Son of God. That is what the language of the Greek states.

Shem was the priest of the most High God, and was the "king of righteousness": which is what the transliterated Melche Zedek translates to.
That day he met Abram, he passed on the blessing of the order and office of "firstborn" to Abram, who held it and passed it to Issac, then Jacob, then .... Moses, and that office was split at the establishment of the Levitical priesthood until Jesus, the Christ come in flesh, received the Anointing for that office by the baptism of Him by John which baptism was -unto Righteousness- and the Anointing of the Holy Spirit:
The patriarchal priesthood is that office of high king and high priest, before God, which t was bestowed upon Adam....and Adam was to have always been "firstborn son of earth", but he had to pass it to his descendants until it rested on Noah, who gave it to Shem...and Shem to Abram, etc..

Earth has a Firstborn son, now, who is the Everlasting Father and the High Priest forever, and the "God of the whole earth", in that human being sense and office, and who will never leave us or forsake us, and who ever lives to make intercession for us before the Glory above.

You can learn about Shem as the priest of the Most High God in The Book of Jasher, who met Abram and blessed him, that day -they were not only related, but Abram had lived with Noah and Shem for 30 years, while hiding from Nimrod.
Nimrod, BTW: is he whom Abram chased and got the victory over, in that section of the history in Genesis. Nimrod was called "Am --Rapha El" after the tower fell because "in him [the mighty one/ el] they [the am/people] fell/rapha", as is explained in the book of Jasher..

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Did you look up the meaning of the word? Furthermore, did you know that, when you title something, the words in the title are typically capitalized?

When you combine those two, you come to what I wrote; proper English.

Fallacy of False Equivalence. Please do what I suggest above.

That is what the "zedek" in Melchizedek means.

No, actually, as ViaCrucis pointed out earlier, the Bible says he was a priest of "El Elyon", a common title of the Caananite deity El.

Unfortunately, we know for a fact that there was a Caananite deity named "El", and we know for a fact that the title "Elyon" was used to describe him. The Jews took over the title and ascribed it to God.

Etymology helps.

No; the intended audience of the book is Hebrew, but that doesn't mean the author is Hebrew or even knowledgeable in the Hebrew language.

Actually, the book helps to dispel the Judaizerism and the Antinomianism that were in competition with orthodoxy.

Etymology disagrees. You have to dig before you find a common root, but it branched off. Related, yes, but like cousins, not as siblings.

Not quite.

Actually, the etymology of "Jerusalem" is quite interesting too...its root is Western Semitic and means "town of Shalim", who was another Caananite deity.

You have a very whacked understanding...

Melchizedek, Means My King is Tzedek, Tzedek means righteousness not a Canaanite deity. This is held up int he Dead Sea Scrolls.

Mel also is introduced as the Priest of El Eyon which means God Most High, or Highest, it is not a Canaanite Deity.

El is a Hebrew Word Meaning God, like El Shaddai.

Jerusalem means "Foundation of peace" not "town of Shalim."

Where are you getting this info, because it is not right.
 
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Using extra biblical sources to interpret what the bible says is unwise...
Most unwise to hide from the true history which is corroborated from Genesis to Revelation, along with Enoch the prophet the seventh from Adam, which two sources, together, lay the foundation for what Moses wrote in the Torah, on that which was already laid out before.

What I wrote is true history and understanding for who Shem, the priest of the Most High God, and the King of Salem, is.
The Jews knew this, and that is why the letter to the Hebrews uses the Greek words that mean "to morph into the likeness/a type" of the Son of God. He was not the Son of God, and the Jews knew full well who He was, that being written in their histories from the first.

Shem was contemporary with Abraham, and lived 33 years after Abraham died.
Shem was the Teacher of Righteousness to Abraham, with Noah, with whom Abram lived for 30 years, in Mount Moriah, their residence, where "Salem" was.

Abraham took Isaac to Mount Moriah to sacrifice him 4 years after Shem died, and when God provided the ram "prepared from the foundation of the world", Abraham then "saw the Day of Jesus' Atonement" and "rejoiced in it", and named that place YHWH Reu/Seen -and it was Salem; so Abraham named Mount Moriah "Jerusalem" because He saw the Day of Atonement, when God's "only begotten son/monogenes would be "Seen" as "YHWH", the "Lamb/Ram", and sacrificed as our peace with God [Isaac was called Abraham's "monogenes" in the Greek Septuagint, and Jesus, is the "Monogenes" of God in the NT Greek, because Adam was dead in spirit and not a son of God since the fall].
 
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But it is historical... Masada happened. Rome really did build ramp up to the palace. The Jews really did kill themselves... Whether or not the two books are totally true is totally up for grabs...
Why? The histories of the Patriarchs which were used for the redaction of the lives of the "Upright" were recorded by each one of them, themselves, from the beginning. Moses had access to all the libraries of Egypt, plus, to all the writings of the Jews; and in those writings, his grandfather, Levi, [his mother was the daughter of Levi born at the time Levi went into Egypt with Jacob] had left his own records, with the records of all the patriarchs from the beginning.
Fragments of those records written by the patriarchs are in the Genesis Apocryphon in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Moses had them, he used them to redact the histories in Jasher, and his own was written more fully there; and then he redacted them all much more for the Torah accounts, because "Behold! It was written in the Book of the Upright".

After Jasher, Joshua, who completed it -as he also did complete Deuteronomy- wrote the history, continuing: then Judges, Ruth, Samuel 1,2, Kings 1,2 , Chronicles 1,2 [Kings rewritten], Ruth, Ezra -all of them, Nehemiah, Esther, and so on, Maccabees, and so on and so forth, right down to Josephus' rewriting of them -with a limited amount of the writings remaining accessible for him to go by, too.

History did not stop there, either. We have the Gospels, the Acts, the letters, and other histories of the Acts of the Apostles and Disciples continue to this day.
History is not "prophecy", but in it there are prophecies. History is not "Wisdom" but in it there is wisdom.
 
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Most unwise to hide from the true history which is corroborated from Genesis to Revelation, along with Enoch the prophet the seventh from Adam, which two sources, together, lay the foundation for what Moses wrote, in the Torah, on that which was already laid out before.

What I wrote is true history and understanding for who Shem, the priest of the Most High God, and the King of Salem, is.
The Jews knew this, and that is why the letter to the Hebrews uses the Greek words that mean "to morph into the likeness/a type" of the Son of God. He was not the Son of God, and the Jews knew full well who He was, that being written in their histories from the first.

Shem was contemporary with Abraham, and lived 33 years after Abraham died.
Shem was the Teacher of Righteousness to Abraham, with Noah, with whom Abram lived for 30 years, in Mount Moriah, their residence, where "Salem" was.

Abraham took Isaac to Mount Moriah to sacrifice him 4 years after Shem died, and when God provided the ram "prepared from the foundation of the world", Abraham then "saw the Day of Jesus' Atonement" and "rejoiced in it", and named that place YHWH Reu/Seen -and it was Salem; so Abraham named Mount Moriah "Jerusalem" because He saw the Day of Atonement, when God's "only begotten son/monogenes would be "Seen" as "YHWH", the "Lamb/Ram", and sacrificed as our peace with God [Isaac was called Abraham's "monogenes" in the Greek Septuagint, and Jesus, is the "Monogenes" of God in the NT Greek, because Adam was dead in spirit and not a son of God since the fall].

This is none sense...

This is along the same lines of Golden Plates and only 144,000 will be saved. It is just crazy talk.

There is no history or identity of Mel. To say there is, is grabbing at the air.

The dead Sea Scrolls, ACTUAL historical documents that hold real credibility, contradict you...

The Received Text contradicts you...

Jews contradict you...
Chazel Literiture hold the Mel was Shem, BUT Rishonim lit. says he is not... They contradict each other... so you taking ideas by men who contradict each other and did not write the bible over the men who where inspired to write the bible... Seems fishy. Then the Medrash says things completely different. So 3 sources about Mel all contradict each other, yet the Jews knew who he was, right... So what is, pick which jew your gonna trust...

Me i am gonna pick the Jew who inspired the bible and according to John 1 is the word of God.
 
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Most unwise to hide from the true history which is corroborated from Genesis to Revelation, along with Enoch the prophet the seventh from Adam, which two sources, together, lay the foundation for what Moses wrote, in the Torah, on that which was already laid out before.
Considering Enoch 1 is a commentary on Deut 33 I sincerly doubt the claim that it was written by the historical figure of Enoch.


I find it unlikely that the book of Jashar as we have it today is the same in content and authorship and historicity as what the deuterohistorian used to write the histories of the people of God. (Josh 10:13, 2 Sam 1:18)
 
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Why? The histories of the Patriarchs which were used for the redaction of the lives of the "Upright" were recorded by each one of them, themselves, from the beginning. Moses had access to all the libraries of Egypt, plus, to all the writings of the Jews; and in those writings, his grandfather, Levi, [his mother was the daughter of Levi born at the time Levi went into Egypt with Jacob] had left his own records, with the records of all the patriarchs from the beginning.
Fragments of those records written by the patriarchs are in the Genesis Apocryphon in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Moses had them, he used them to redact the histories in Jasher, and his own was written more fully there; and then he redacted them all much more for the Torah accounts, because "Behold! It was written in the Book of the Upright".

After Jasher, Joshua, who completed it -as he also did complete Deuteronomy- wrote the history, continuing: then Judges, Ruth, Samuel 1,2, Kings 1,2 , Chronicles 1,2 [Kings rewritten], Ruth, Ezra -all of them, Nehemiah, Esther, and so on, Maccabees, and so on and so forth, right down to Josephus' rewriting of them -with a limited amount of the writings remaining accessible for him to go by, too.

History did not stop there, either. We have the Gospels, the Acts, the letters, and other histories of the Acts of the Apostles and Disciples continue to this day.
History is not "prophecy", but in it there are prophecies. History is not "Wisdom" but in it there is wisdom.

Joshua is not typically held for writing Judges... Samuel is... You might want to take an Old testament survey class. It might help you...

Chronicles is not the books of 1 and 2 kings rewritten... Seriously you need the survey class bad.

Also the BOok of Jashar does not exist anymore we have no copies at all. The one that was found in 1751 is a forgery. So anything that people say might be in the book of Jashar, can not be backed up at all. Scholars who say they can are liars...
 
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Enoch is actually found among the qumran manuscripts; 4Q201,4Q202, 4Q204-212

Yes I know. Just because it is in there does nto mean it is acurate. But the DSC do discredit an claim that Mel was Shem. So that Contradicts Chazel writings. So it is like they want to say oh it is all write but three different sources say 3 different things... which is it? Which one is right?
 
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Who is Melchi-Zedek?
Shem is one and the same morphed into the likeness, not into the person, of the Son of God in Genesis, by the Holy Spirit to type the Son of God who has no genealogy, no Father, "NO MOTHER", no beginning of days nor end of life.
Please do a concordance search on the words used in Hebrews 7: "morphed into the likeness of" -to teach about the Son of God.

Book of The Upright chapter 16:

1 At that time Chedorlaomer king of Elam sent to all the neighboring kings, to Nimrod, king of Shinar who was then under his power, and to Tidal, king of Goyim, and to Arioch, king of Elasar, with whom he made a covenant, saying, Come up to me and assist me, that we may smite all the towns of Sodom and its inhabitants, for they have rebelled against me these thirteen years.

2 And these four kings went up with all their camps, about eight hundred thousand men, and they went as they were, and smote every man they found in their road.

3 And the five kings of Sodom and Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, Shemeber king of Zeboyim, Bera king of Sodom, Bersha king of Gomorrah, and Bela king of Zoar, went out to meet them, and they all joined together in the valley of Siddim.

4 And these nine kings made war in the valley of Siddim; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah were smitten before the kings of Elam.

5 And the valley of Siddim was full of lime pits and the kings of Elam pursued the kings of Sodom, and the kings of Sodom with their camps fled and fell into the lime pits, and all that remained went to the mountain for safety, and the five kings of Elam came after them and pursued them to the gates of Sodom, and they took all that there was in Sodom.

6 And they plundered all the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and they also took Lot, Abram's brother's son, and his property, and they seized all the goods of the cities of Sodom, and they went away; and Unic, Abram's servant, who was in the battle, saw this, and told Abram all that the kings had done to the cities of Sodom, and that Lot was taken captive by them.

7 And Abram heard this, and he rose up with about three hundred and eighteen men that were with him, and he that night pursued these kings and smote them, and they all fell before Abram and his men, and there was none remaining but the four kings who fled, and they went each his own road.

8 And Abram recovered all the property of Sodom, and he also recovered Lot and his property, his wives and little ones and all belonging to him, so that Lot lacked nothing.

9 And when he returned from smiting these kings, he and his men passed the valley of Siddim where the kings had made war together.

10 And Bera king of Sodom, and the rest of his men that were with him, went out from the lime pits into which they had fallen, to meet Abram and his men.

11 And Adonizedek king of Jerusalem, the same was Shem, went out with his men to meet Abram and his people, with bread and wine, and they remained together in the valley of Melech.

12 And Adonizedek blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth from all that he had brought from the spoil of his enemies, for Adonizedek was a priest before God.

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[FONT=arial, helvetica] Shem (the son of Noah) is traditionally identified with Melchi-zedek, who was king of Shalem (Jerusalem) in Abraham's time (Gen. 14:18). Assuming he was still there in Jacob's time, his Yeshiva was in Jerusalem. Ever was Shem's great-grandson (Gen. 10:22-24,11:10-14), but they were contemporaries. Ever was born when Shem was 165, but Shem lived to 600, and Ever only to 464. [/FONT][/FONT]
 
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You have a very whacked understanding...

Getting close to ad homs here...

Melchizedek, Means My King is Tzedek, Tzedek means righteousness not a Canaanite deity. This is held up int he Dead Sea Scrolls.

Sorry, but Zedek is the name of a Caananite deity

Mel also is introduced as the Priest of El Eyon which means God Most High, or Highest, it is not a Canaanite Deity.

This also is false.

I would encourage you to actually do a little research on Caananite religion. El Elyon is consistently listed in the names of deities those people worshiped.

El is a Hebrew Word Meaning God, like El Shaddai.

It also refers, and originally referred to, the chief deity of the Caananites.

Jerusalem means "Foundation of peace" not "town of Shalim."

The etymology suggests otherwise.

Where are you getting this info, because it is not right.

I am right, and again, I highly suggest you do research in Caananite religion.
 
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