Melchisedec king of Salem

[TheWiseMan]

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Was this Jesus before he was born again?

Is this the Word made flesh? As written about in the Book of John?

This being had no father or mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.

Yet he is flesh and blood. Where did he come from? How do you explain this?

Was he without sin? Was he from another world in another time?

How could he be a son of God. Since he had no father? So what was he?

Was he an angel. Was he a son of God. He was not born. What was he and where did he come from?

Was he created like Adam ? How long had he been on Earth? From the beginning like Adam?

 

[Keachian]

A lot of your questions seem to be reading comprehension issues, may I suggest a reputable modern English translation such as the ESV

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Was this Jesus before he was born again?

Is this the Word made flesh? As written about in the Book of John?

Paul doesn't really make that case, however he is a semi-christophanic character, I believe however that he is merely a shadow of the union of the offices of King and Priest that we finally see in Christ.

This being had no father or mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.

Paul here is making a note of the Melchizedek figure appearing out of nowhere and then disappearing just as quickly.

Yet he is flesh and blood. Where did he come from? How do you explain this?

Was he without sin? Was he from another world in another time?

The Melchizedek figure throughout the revelation of God to Israel is one of mystery, it is very Pauline to take figures of mystery and use them to point to Christ (cf Acts 17:22-31) the Melchizedek figure serves a few purposes for Paul within the book of Hebrews, to show a priesthood of Yahweh that precedes the Aaronic(v6) to unify the office of Priest and King (v14, the Kings were of Judah, the Priests of Levi and so because a Priest has appeared out of Judah the two offices have become one) and to establish the eternalness of the atonement which Christ performs through his blood (the argument starts back in c4 and will flow right through to the end of c10)

How could he be a son of God. Since he had no father? So what was he?

Paul is likening him to Christ with that particular phrase.

 

[TheWiseMan]

A lot of your questions seem to be reading comprehension issues

Never judge a book by its cover.

 

[TheWiseMan]

A lot of your questions seem to be reading comprehension issues, may I suggest a reputable modern English translation such as the ESV


Paul doesn't really make that case, however he is a semi-christophanic character, I believe however that he is merely a shadow of the union of the offices of King and Priest that we finally see in Christ.


Paul here is making a note of the Melchizedek figure appearing out of nowhere and then disappearing just as quickly.


The Melchizedek figure throughout the revelation of God to Israel is one of mystery, it is very Pauline to take figures of mystery and use them to point to Christ (cf Acts 17:22-31) the Melchizedek figure serves a few purposes for Paul within the book of Hebrews, to show a priesthood of Yahweh that precedes the Aaronic(v6) to unify the office of Priest and King (v14, the Kings were of Judah, the Priests of Levi and so because a Priest has appeared out of Judah the two offices have become one) and to establish the eternalness of the atonement which Christ performs through his blood (the argument starts back in c4 and will flow right through to the end of c10)


Paul is likening him to Christ with that particular phrase.

I would like your opinion. I do not want to know your opinion as to what the author of Hebrews meant or did not mean.

I want your own opinion. Do you not believe any part exactly as it is written? If not which part.

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

 

[Keachian]

I would like your opinion. I do not want to know your opinion as to what the author of Hebrews meant or did not mean.

I'm not sure what the difference would be, in fact I would view them as one and the same, it makes little sense to say I think the writer's intention is this and then go but I want to understand it to mean that.

I want your own opinion. Do you not believe any part exactly as it is written? If not which part.

The only bit which would possibly fit under that category would be "having neither beginning of days, nor end of life." however the point is his sudden appearance, especially as his likening unto Christ.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The author of Hebrews (it probably wasn't St. Paul) is trying to draw a line of contrast between the Levite-Aaronic priesthood, the Kohenim could trace their lineage down through the ages to Aaron.

Melchizedek stands outside of this, he is a priest to El Elyon but completely outside of the Levite/Aaron loop. "Without mother, father, or lineage" is a way of making this point, Melchizedek's priestly role isn't based on the Covenant Priesthood of Levite descent. For this reason, the author of Hebrews draws the link between Christ and Melchizedek. Doing this the author can use priestly language for Jesus, the Great High Priest, who though not a kohen, is still High Priest--and High Priest forever.

There's no reason to think that the historic Melchizedek was anything other than a priest-king of Salem, a Canaanite figure who apparently shared some religious kinship with Abraham.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Rhamiel]

everything in the Old Testament points to Christ
the term used in Catholic theology is "type" meaning that it is a symbol of things to come
like how in a novel there is foreshadowing, God who is the author of history uses events and people as real life foreshadowing

Malchisedec is a type of Christ, he is priest and king, a "king of peace"
just as Adam is a type of Christ, in so much as all mankind comes from him, all those who are Spiritualy alive come from Jesus
and Issac, as the willing sacrifice

 

[Zeek]

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Was this Jesus before he was born again?

I don't believe so.

G-d called Abram out of Ur, possibly out of paganism, into Canaan, it is quite possible that Abram spoke to different people about the G-d who speaks to Him, and found someone like Melchizedek to be a mentor and a friend, someone who knew the same true G-d, and whom Abram respected above all others, not just in his position as a King of Prince, but in his office of a Priest serving YHWH.

Is this the Word made flesh? As written about in the Book of John?

I don't believe so...this is Melchizedek...do you really think the Word was made flesh more than once?

This being had no father or mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.

I don't believe that is the intent of the passage at all...Progmonk states what I also believe the passage is doing...drawing a literary comparison and using Mechizedek because in many other respects there are direct parallels to be drawn in his name, his office, his lordship, his city etc etc

Yet he is flesh and blood. Where did he come from? How do you explain this?

The writer to the Hebrews would probably be somewhat dismayed if his students/disciples went of on a tangent without understanding the substance of his illustration..all Bible study is good, and we can draw so much from the deep well of Truth...but I think there is wisdom in understanding when to let mystery remain mystery, otherwise pride tries to be a mystery-solver distracts the spirit.

Was he without sin? Was he from another world in another time?

Doctor Who's TARDIS springs to mind.

How could he be a son of God. Since he had no father? So what was he?

He was Melchizedek, King of Salem, Priest of the Most High G-d...(it means exactly what it says on the bottle)

Was he an angel. Was he a son of God. He was not born. What was he and where did he come from?

IMFO I believe you are reading too much into things and representing what has been written in the Bible, out of context and not in the way it was intended to be utilized.

Was he created like Adam ? How long had he been on Earth? From the beginning like Adam?

It is quite possible that when the children of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japeth repopulated the earth, they taught their off-spring to worship the One true G-d, and although many went off the rails, one or two kept the relationship active, and I suspect this is where Melchizedek comes in...he might have known one or more of Noahs sons.

He was related directly to Noah, just like all of us are.

Shem lived 502 years after the flood (he was 98 at the time), and was around when Abraham was alive. Here is a chart that shows the life-spans of the early peoples....and traces the lineage of Abraham through Shem.

 

[Frogster]

mel was not mortal.

7 It is beyond dispute that the inferior is blessed by the superior. 8 In the one case tithes are received by mortal men, but in the other case, by one of whom it is testified that he lives.

 

[Frogster]

the priesthood of Christ, is off the indestructable Mel.


“You are a priest forever,
after the order of Melchizedek.”
16 who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is witnessed of him,

 

[Frogster]

mel a priest forever..


3 He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but resembling the Son of God he continues a priest forever.



jesus forever...the comparison is striking.



24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.

 

[PaladinValer]

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Was this Jesus before he was born again?

No.

Is this the Word made flesh? As written about in the Book of John?

No.
No.

This being had no father or mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.

Says who? This is from silence.

Yet he is flesh and blood. Where did he come from? How do you explain this?

Simple: he was born, lived, during which life he met Abraham, and died.

Was he without sin? Was he from another world in another time?

No.
No.

How could he be a son of God. Since he had no father? So what was he?

The Holy Writ says he resembles the Son of God, not is the Son of God.
He has a father.
Human.

Was he an angel. Was he a son of God. He was not born. What was he and where did he come from?

No.
No, unless you mean whether he was a part of His People, which there might be a care to be made.
Wrong; he was born.
He was, as his name suggests, a human who proclaimed Zedek as his king (here, the author of the Catholic Letter to the Hebrews gets his etymology off; peace in Hebrew is "shalom", not "Salem", and Zedek was a Caananite deity, not a term for righteousness).

Was he created like Adam ? How long had he been on Earth? From the beginning like Adam?

Like Adam in what sense?
The Holy Writ is silent on Melchizedek's age; my guest is that he was probably early middle age (40's), but that's just a guess.
No, and Adam was long dead.

Furthermore, you do realize you are suggesting a kind of reincarnation here, right? You do realize that such theology is impossible to reconcile with orthodox Christianity, right?

 

[Tiredknight]

A lot of your questions seem to be reading comprehension issues, may I suggest a reputable modern English translation such as the ESV


Paul doesn't really make that case, however he is a semi-christophanic character, I believe however that he is merely a shadow of the union of the offices of King and Priest that we finally see in Christ.


Paul here is making a note of the Melchizedek figure appearing out of nowhere and then disappearing just as quickly.


The Melchizedek figure throughout the revelation of God to Israel is one of mystery, it is very Pauline to take figures of mystery and use them to point to Christ (cf Acts 17:22-31) the Melchizedek figure serves a few purposes for Paul within the book of Hebrews, to show a priesthood of Yahweh that precedes the Aaronic(v6) to unify the office of Priest and King (v14, the Kings were of Judah, the Priests of Levi and so because a Priest has appeared out of Judah the two offices have become one) and to establish the eternalness of the atonement which Christ performs through his blood (the argument starts back in c4 and will flow right through to the end of c10)


Paul is likening him to Christ with that particular phrase.

This is assuming that the ESV is Credible. This stance goes to a Received text vs. Critical Text.

But that is a different subject for a different thread...

First and foremost. we know nothing about Melchisedec. Except that he was a High priest of God before the Levitical law was placed, Abraham knew and respected him as such, and he was a King.

Hebrews is not referencing this to bring mythology into the bible but the fact that People were arguing that Jesus could not be who he said he was, because the law said you can not be a priest and a king at the same time. Because a King could not offer sacrifice. This was shown with Saul and Samuel.

But the Author brings up this man because he was a king and a priest ordained by God at the same time. Christ is like him in that area. We at least know he is real because Abraham is on record for paying him homage and it was a real deal for him. So the guy at least is real.

now is this man an angel or a per-incarnate Christ... I do not think it is safe for any christian to judge on this, because the bible is silent on this issue. This issue is also not any kind of issue for anything for salvation or justification. The only issue I would see, is that claiming things about Christ, that is not written or covered in the bible is going beyond what is written and claiming things the bible never said and promised. Which leaves you in a real theological hot water.

 

[Tiredknight]

No.



No.
No.



Says who? This is from silence.



Simple: he was born, lived, during which life he met Abraham, and died.



No.
No.



The Holy Writ says he resembles the Son of God, not is the Son of God.
He has a father.
Human.



No.
No, unless you mean whether he was a part of His People, which there might be a care to be made.
Wrong; he was born.
He was, as his name suggests, a human who proclaimed Zedek as his king (here, the author of the Catholic Letter to the Hebrews gets his etymology off; peace in Hebrew is "shalom", not "Salem", and Zedek was a Caananite deity, not a term for righteousness).



Like Adam in what sense?
The Holy Writ is silent on Melchizedek's age; my guest is that he was probably early middle age (40's), but that's just a guess.
No, and Adam was long dead.

Furthermore, you do realize you are suggesting a kind of reincarnation here, right? You do realize that such theology is impossible to reconcile with orthodox Christianity, right?

Where do you get Hebrews as a Catholic Letter? It was not written by any one remotely Catholic...

 

[PaladinValer]

Where do you get Hebrews as a Catholic Letter? It was not written by any one remotely Catholic...

1. The word "catholic" means "universal". The letter was meant for all Christian Hebrews.
2. Since I was using it as a part of a title, the word gets capitalized.

 

[Tiredknight]

1. The word "catholic" means "universal". The letter was meant for all Christian Hebrews.
2. Since I was using it as a part of a title, the word gets capitalized.

I feel this does not make sense. I have some issues with what your saying. You are first saying it is a "Catholic Letter' but it is not. It is not a universal.

Also you are saying that He is a priest of Zedek, which is wrong. The book itself and the book Genesis say he was Priest of God not of a false God. You are also claming he was a cannanite, but the Jews who hold the little history of who he was has no origination of his nationality so you are claiming something that can't hold up.

You are you also saying that the Author wording is wrong... I fail to see this. The whole of the book begs to differ with you. Who ever wrote the book of Hebrews is Ardently Jewish. In fact they are so Jewish that this book's knowledge of the Jewish law makes Paul look dumb.

And your Salem vs Shalom argument is invalid. Salem is a Hebrew word for peace as well. It is Derived from Shalom. Just like James is a derivative of Jacob. It is general accepted that this man was the king of the City that was where Jerusalem would be built. Also many Jews and hebrews, After Eber, called Jerusalem, "Salem". Since the Name Jerusalem means Foundation of Peace...So it is generally accepted that when it says King of Salem, it is means King of Jerusalem, or King of "the foundation of Peace", or King of Peace.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

G-d called Abram out of Ur, possibly out of paganism,

The Book of Jasher tells us what "Ur" was, it was the "fire" of the Kasdim/Chaldees, which Nimrod had Abram thrown into, and Abram lived three days in the fire.
He was thrown into the fire because he smashed his father, Terah's, false gods, and mocked them. He had been living with Noah and Shem [at Mount Moriah] for 30 years, learning the ways of YHWH while hiding out from Nimrod, who wanted to kill him when he had dreams of him at his birth, and who had thought that he had killed him, but discovered Terah gave him a slave's son to kill, back when Abram was born.

Terah hid him with his mother for ten years in a cave, then he lived with Noah and Shem for 30 years, and he came back to his father's house after the Tower of Bab-El was destroyed, and he smashed his father's gods.
Terah told Nimrod.
Nimrod was angry that Abraham was still alive.
Terah blamed his older son, Haran for the deception, and both Haran and Abram were thrown into the fire -אור 'Uwr.

Haran was the father of Sarah/Iscah, Lot and Milcah [Genesis 11:29]. Sarah was taken as a wife by Abram at that time.

The story in Jasher 11 Jasher Chapter 11 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887

Then abram's escape from the fire, and his call to go out from that land, afterwards, are in chapters 12 and 13.

Jasher chapter 12

1 And when the king heard the words of Abram he ordered him to be put into prison; and Abram was ten days in prison.

2 And at the end of those days the king ordered that all the kings, princes and governors of different provinces and the sages should come before him, and they sat before him, and Abram was still in the house of confinement.

3 And the king said to the princes and sages, Have you heard what Abram, the son of Terah, has done to his father? Thus has he done to him, and I ordered him to be brought before me, and thus has he spoken; his heart did not misgive him, neither did he stir in my presence, and behold now he is confined in the prison.

4 And therefore decide what judgment is due to this man who reviled the king; who spoke and did all the things that you heard.

5 And they all answered the king saying, The man who revileth the king should be hanged upon a tree; but having done all the things that he said, and having despised our gods, he must therefore be burned to death, for this is the law in this matter.

6 If it pleaseth the king to do this, let him order his servants to kindle a fire both night and day in thy brick furnace, and then we will cast this man into it. And the king did so, and he commanded his servants that they should prepare a fire for three days and three nights in the king's furnace, that is in Casdim; and the king ordered them to take Abram from prison and bring him out to be burned.

7 And all the king's servants, princes, lords, governors, and judges, and all the inhabitants of the land, about nine hundred thousand men, stood opposite the furnace to see Abram.

8 And all the women and little ones crowded upon the roofs and towers to see what was doing with Abram, and they all stood together at a distance; and there was not a man left that did not come on that day to behold the scene.

9 And when Abram was come, the conjurors of the king and the sages saw Abram, and they cried out to the king, saying, Our sovereign lord, surely this is the man whom we know to have been the child at whose birth the great star swallowed the four stars, which we declared to the king now fifty years since.

10 And behold now his father has also transgressed thy commands, and mocked thee by bringing thee another child, which thou didst kill.

11 And when the king heard their words, he was exceedingly wroth, and he ordered Terah to be brought before him.

12 And the king said, Hast thou heard what the conjurors have spoken? Now tell me truly, how didst thou; and if thou shalt speak truth thou shalt be acquitted.

13 And seeing that the king's anger was so much kindled, Terah said to the king, My lord and king, thou hast heard the truth, and what the sages have spoken is right. And the king said, How couldst thou do this thing, to transgress my orders and to give me a child that thou didst not beget, and to take value for him?

14 And Terah answered the king, Because my tender feelings were excited for my son, at that time, and I took a son of my handmaid, and I brought him to the king.

15 And the king said Who advised thee to this? Tell me, do not hide aught from me, and then thou shalt not die.

16 And Terah was greatly terrified in the king's presence, and he said to the king, It was Haran my eldest son who advised me to this; and Haran was in those days that Abram was born, two and thirty years old.

17 But Haran did not advise his father to anything, for Terah said this to the king in order to deliver his soul from the king, for he feared greatly; and the king said to Terah, Haran thy son who advised thee to this shall die through fire with Abram; for the sentence of death is upon him for having rebelled against the king's desire in doing this thing.

18 And Haran at that time felt inclined to follow the ways of Abram, but he kept it within himself.

19 And Haran said in his heart, Behold now the king has seized Abram on account of these things which Abram did, and it shall come to pass, that if Abram prevail over the king I will follow him, but if the king prevail I will go after the king.

20 And when Terah had spoken this to the king concerning Haran his son, the king ordered Haran to be seized with Abram.

21 And they brought them both, Abram and Haran his brother, to cast them into the fire; and all the inhabitants of the land and the king's servants and princes and all the women and little ones were there, standing that day over them.

22 And the king's servants took Abram and his brother, and they stripped them of all their clothes excepting their lower garments which were upon them.

23 And they bound their hands and feet with linen cords, and the servants of the king lifted them up and cast them both into the furnace.

24 And the Lord loved Abram and he had compassion over him, and the Lord came down and delivered Abram from the fire and he was not burned.

25 But all the cords with which they bound him were burned, while Abram remained and walked about in the fire.

26 And Haran died when they had cast him into the fire, and he was burned to ashes, for his heart was not perfect with the Lord; and those men who cast him into the fire, the flame of the fire spread over them, and they were burned, and twelve men of them died.

27 And Abram walked in the midst of the fire three days and three nights, and all the servants of the king saw him walking in the fire, and they came and told the king, saying, Behold we have seen Abram walking about in the midst of the fire, and even the lower garments which are upon him are not burned, but the cord with which he was bound is burned.

28 And when the king heard their words his heart fainted and he would not believe them; so he sent other faithful princes to see this matter, and they went and saw it and told it to the king; and the king rose to go and see it, and he saw Abram walking to and fro in the midst of the fire, and he saw Haran's body burned, and the king wondered greatly.

29 And the king ordered Abram to be taken out from the fire; and his servants approached to take him out and they could not, for the fire was round about and the flame ascending toward them from the furnace.

30 And the king's servants fled from it, and the king rebuked them, saying, Make haste and bring Abram out of the fire that you shall not die.

31 And the servants of the king again approached to bring Abram out, and the flames came upon them and burned their faces so that eight of them died.

32 And when the king saw that his servants could not approach the fire lest they should be burned, the king called to Abram, O servant of the God who is in heaven, go forth from amidst the fire and come hither before me; and Abram hearkened to the voice of the king, and he went forth from the fire and came and stood before the king.

33 And when Abram came out the king and all his servants saw Abram coming before the king, with his lower garments upon him, for they were not burned, but the cord with which he was bound was burned.

34 And the king said to Abram, How is it that thou wast not burned in the fire?

35 And Abram said to the king, The God of heaven and earth in whom I trust and who has all in his power, he delivered me from the fire into which thou didst cast me.

36 And Haran the brother of Abram was burned to ashes, and they sought for his body, and they found it consumed.

37 And Haran was eighty-two years old when he died in the fire of Casdim. And the king, princes, and inhabitants of the land, seeing that Abram was delivered from the fire, they came and bowed down to Abram.

38 And Abram said to them, Do not bow down to me, but bow down to the God of the world who made you, and serve him, and go in his ways for it is he who delivered me from out of this fire, and it is he who created the souls and spirits of all men, and formed man in his mother's womb, and brought him forth into the world, and it is he who will deliver those who trust in him from all pain.

39 And this thing seemed very wonderful in the eyes of the king and princes, that Abram was saved from the fire and that Haran was burned; and the king gave Abram many presents and he gave him his two head servants from the king's house; the name of one was Oni and the name of the other was Eliezer.

40 And all the kings, princes and servants gave Abram many gifts of silver and gold and pearl, and the king and his princes sent him away, and he went in peace.

41 And Abram went forth from the king in peace, and many of the king's servants followed him, and about three hundred men joined him.

42 And Abram returned on that day and went to his father's house, he and the men that followed him, and Abram served the Lord his God all the days of his life, and he walked in his ways and followed his law.

43 And from that day forward Abram inclined the hearts of the sons of men to serve the Lord.

44 And at that time Nahor and Abram took unto themselves wives, the daughters of their brother Haran; the wife of Nahor was Milca and the name of Abram's wife was Sarai. And Sarai, wife of Abram, was barren; she had no offspring in those days.

13 Jasher Chapter 13 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887

 

[YeShallTread]

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Was this Jesus before he was born again?

No. This was Jesus before He was born into flesh.

Is this the Word made flesh? As written about in the Book of John?

No. Melchizedek is the Word but He was not flesh, (born of woman) when Abraham gave Him a tenth.

This being had no father or mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.

Yet he is flesh and blood. Where did he come from? How do you explain this?

Why do you believe He was "flesh and blood?"

Was he without sin? Was he from another world in another time?

How could he be a son of God. Since he had no father? So what was he?

He was the Angel of the Lord...not an angel but God in a form that could be seen. Not yet flesh for He was not yet born but...He has always been and will always be.

Was he an angel. Was he a son of God. He was not born. What was he and where did he come from?

He was the Angel of the Lord for He was God in a bodily form that could be seen but He was not yet the Son of God for He was not yet born of woman.

Was he created like Adam ? How long had he been on Earth? From the beginning like Adam?

No. He is the Creator of Adam and all that is. He has always been and has been from the beginning of what our human minds are not given to understand.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hebrews, Chapter 7

1:For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2:To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3:Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Was this Jesus before he was born again?

Is this the Word made flesh? As written about in the Book of John?

This being had no father or mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life.

Yet he is flesh and blood. Where did he come from? How do you explain this?

Was he without sin? Was he from another world in another time?

How could he be a son of God. Since he had no father? So what was he?

Was he an angel. Was he a son of God. He was not born. What was he and where did he come from?

Was he created like Adam ? How long had he been on Earth? From the beginning like Adam?

He was Shem, and "morphed" into the "likeness" of the Son of God by the Holy Spirit, in leaving his genealogy out, in Genesis, so as to type the Son of God. That is what the language of the Greek states.

Shem was the priest of the most High God, and was the "king of righteousness": which is what the transliterated Melche Zedek translates to.
That day he met Abram, he passed on the blessing of the order and office of "firstborn" to Abram, who held it and passed it to Issac, then Jacob, then .... Moses, and that office was split at the establishment of the Levitical priesthood until Jesus, the Christ come in flesh, received the Anointing for that office by the baptism of Him by John which baptism was -unto Righteousness- and the Anointing of the Holy Spirit:
The patriarchal priesthood is that office of high king and high priest, before God, which t was bestowed upon Adam....and Adam was to have always been "firstborn son of earth", but he had to pass it to his descendants until it rested on Noah, who gave it to Shem...and Shem to Abram, etc..

Earth has a Firstborn son, now, who is the Everlasting Father and the High Priest forever, and the "God of the whole earth", in that human being sense and office, and who will never leave us or forsake us, and who ever lives to make intercession for us before the Glory above.

You can learn about Shem as the priest of the Most High God in The Book of Jasher, who met Abram and blessed him, that day -they were not only related, but Abram had lived with Noah and Shem for 30 years, while hiding from Nimrod.
Nimrod, BTW: is he whom Abram chased and got the victory over, in that section of the history in Genesis. Nimrod was called "Am --Rapha El" after the tower fell because "in him [the mighty one/ el] they [the am/people] fell/rapha", as is explained in the book of Jasher..

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I feel this does not make sense.

Did you look up the meaning of the word? Furthermore, did you know that, when you title something, the words in the title are typically capitalized?

When you combine those two, you come to what I wrote; proper English.

I have some issues with what your saying. You are first saying it is a "Catholic Letter' but it is not. It is not a universal.

Fallacy of False Equivalence. Please do what I suggest above.

Also you are saying that He is a priest of Zedek, which is wrong.

That is what the "zedek" in Melchizedek means.

The book itself and the book Genesis say he was Priest of God not of a false God.

No, actually, as ViaCrucis pointed out earlier, the Bible says he was a priest of "El Elyon", a common title of the Caananite deity El.

You are also claming he was a cannanite, but the Jews who hold the little history of who he was has no origination of his nationality so you are claiming something that can't hold up.

Unfortunately, we know for a fact that there was a Caananite deity named "El", and we know for a fact that the title "Elyon" was used to describe him. The Jews took over the title and ascribed it to God.

You are you also saying that the Author wording is wrong... I fail to see this.

Etymology helps.

The whole of the book begs to differ with you. Who ever wrote the book of Hebrews is Ardently Jewish.

No; the intended audience of the book is Hebrew, but that doesn't mean the author is Hebrew or even knowledgeable in the Hebrew language.

In fact they are so Jewish that this book's knowledge of the Jewish law makes Paul look dumb.

Actually, the book helps to dispel the Judaizerism and the Antinomianism that were in competition with orthodoxy.

And your Salem vs Shalom argument is invalid.

Etymology disagrees. You have to dig before you find a common root, but it branched off. Related, yes, but like cousins, not as siblings.

Salem is a Hebrew word for peace as well. It is Derived from Shalom. Just like James is a derivative of Jacob.

Not quite.

It is general accepted that this man was the king of the City that was where Jerusalem would be built. Also many Jews and hebrews, After Eber, called Jerusalem, "Salem". Since the Name Jerusalem means Foundation of Peace...So it is generally accepted that when it says King of Salem, it is means King of Jerusalem, or King of "the foundation of Peace", or King of Peace.

Actually, the etymology of "Jerusalem" is quite interesting too...its root is Western Semitic and means "town of Shalim", who was another Caananite deity.