Some very interesting stuff in your post thanks John. Your info on Lysanius would go well in Archaeology forums where skeptics could do with hearing that. I enjoy biblical chronology and archaeology subjects.
On the subject of Jesus ministry lasting 3.5 years I have an article on my website that you may wish to comment on.
Regards,
Gideon
I love your website Pastor and I very much thank you for your faithful service to the Lord over these years. I think the best thing about these types of forums is meeting true brothers and sisters in Christ, ones that have been molded and shaped by His all encompassing love. I have heard New Zealand is one of the very beautiful places on earth and it sounds like the Lord has given you a wonderful life there.
Yes, I can understand why you believe Jesus had a three and a half year ministry and see where we differ. It is always good to hear another perspective on John that disagrees with where my research has led me. As iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. I once saw on a website that said, "Actually Christian apologists have been blest by the criticism because it forces us to better research ..."
I believe that to be true. I can't tell you the number of times that someone debating my Christian beliefs or what I understand the Bible to say has caused me to look deeper into my faith and the Bible. I have even grown fond of the so called "contadictions" in the Bible. In the end they have only caused me to go deeper and deeper into the Word. I believe I can truly say, without doubt, that the Word of God never disappoints - for there is always a divine meal in that journey that prompts one to tell others how truly amazing God really is. I've been more than blessed by my own befuddledness many time but nuff said about me.
I do believe you have a plausible point here but still believe John's Gospel is non linear with respect to chronology. I'm still looking at this however and promise I will keep an open mind in evaluating what you have researched. I noticed you also had the 46 year temple restoration project in your comments about the temple, but they brought you to a Passover in AD27. Perhaps we should compare notes there because we're wound up three years apart!
And here I always though my math was pretty good? Alas!
John's Gospel chronology has been an enigma for many people and I really only set out to tackle it when, of all things, I foolishly attempted a four part Harmony of the Gospels and thought I could do John last. Obviously I had to rethink that once it all fell apart with John. And here I am thinking I'd finally gotten the chronology in John correctly
Actually I really did want to bounce what I've discovered off many others with similar interests as I know that God has many saints looking into these things. After all we know "all" the truth belongs to Him and so I love to keep knocking at His door and am blest when He sends others into my life to talk me down. I learned long ago I am not only not infallible but more inclined to learn by my mistakes but it not being right that matters it is learning the truth. Certainly a few mistakes here and there also helps to keep the pride thing down too - the Lord is always thinking of me and my needs on that one!
To get back to John's Gospel however, when do you think it was written? I know both Irenaues and Clement of Alexandria said it was written last and that Clement stated that he wrote it for spiritual teaching, (that is not to say ahistorical) as well as to fill in the blanks. Yet, with respect to the Jesus' Passion John does follow the Synoptic Gospels and he gives us a so much deeper picture. I used to love Michener Novels growing up and so when I first read John just assumed the spiritual telling and lessons learned was the main thread and the chronology secondary to what He was teaching. It couldn't of course have been by accident that he had exactly seven signs & miracles. Even most of his events surround the seven Jewish feasts he records as well. On top of that we know John wrote to the seven churches of Asia Minor and that there are a whole lot more sevens in Revelation. I even decided to run some Greek character count tests against the John Rylands papyrus, since we know with a very close proximity the number of characters it holds per page. It turns out the entire Gospel Codex would have been 130 pages. I confess I did that just to test a probable hypothesis that John wrote his Gospel late and though finished it was not yet compiled into a codex at his death but was more likely in the form of loose sheets at the Church of Ephesus. Maybe John even preached from them as an elder of that Church and the other Churches of Asia Minor. Of course this is only a hypothesis but it was amazing to me how non linear elements lined up for me as complete pages. I will give you an example of non linear chronology in John. There is alot here and maybe you could open a new thread for John's amazing Gospel for I'm only a newbie here and cannot.
You have 3 major feasts Jesus usually attended Passover, Sukkot and the Feast of the Dedication. Chapter 4 is obviously right after the Feast of the Dedication for Jesus as He is crossing into Samaria states, "you say four months and then comes the harvest but I say to you look unto the fields and they are already white unto Harvest." Harvest time in Israel is April/May so this had to be weeks after the feast of the temple Dedication in December. It turns out to be exactly 4 pages of similar sheet size to P52 so it could have stood alone. Chapter 5 is of course an unknown feast but we have on Irenaeus' good account that this unknown feast was a Passover, which of course Jesus spent in Jerusalem. Chapter 6, however, opens near but before a Passover that occurs in the Galilean hillsides, which also correlates with the loaves and fishes miracle in the Synoptics. So we take this to be the Passover before the final Passover since the Synoptics only record one year. Chapter 7 and part of Chapter 8 is Jesus in Jerusalem at Sukkot. In Chapters 9 and 10 we find Jesus in Jerusalem again at the feast of the dedication healing a man born blind. Chapter 11 is the final push towards Jerusalem and Lazarus - all the rest are the Passion week, resurrection and post resurrection events. That might make perfect sense but would not flow with the Synoptics. Chapter 6 has to be out of order - it also turns out to be 5 complete pages when compared with P52 so if uncompiles could have also been integrated into a codex out of order. So we have 6 feasts in Jerusalem for one year and a half and 1 feast in Galilee in the same year the Synoptic Gospels record. This is where I get 2 and 1/2 years. There's also much more to show with respect to non linear chronolgy in John but I'd love to compare notes with you. I love the Gospel of John. It was the first Gospel I ever read when I became a Christian while in the service and I remember those first year growing as a Christian rather fondly. Here I am, now a grandfather, and the Gospel of John is still helping me to grow and pull me in ever deeper in the love of Jesus.
Gotta go but just want to pray that God's blessing would be upon you and your family.
In Christ, John 1720 a.k.a Patrick