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It's also helpful to remember that many statistics about gun violence include justifiable shootings by police and citizens.
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It'd be wild if they ever had something like sword control/weapons control like we have gun control today - in the event that the Helots from Messenia ever got to the point of saying they were over it and ready to start fighting back.The Helots from Messenia were not just a class, but a whole ethnic group of slaves. It's incredible to read about the Krypteia, the Spartan secret police, who would brutalize and terrorize the Helots to keep them in constant fear and in line. The Athenians and then especially later the THEBANS (!!!) used the threat of a Helot revolt to keep Sparta at bay. Sparta's limitation was that they couldn't deploy troops for long. When no one was home "minding the store," the Helots got ideas!
Which ones did you have in mind when it comes to shootings?It's also helpful to remember that many statistics about gun violence include justifiable shootings by police and citizens.
Gxg (G²);62257669 said:Which ones did you have in mind when it comes to shootings?
I watched this just a little while ago. I didn't think what he proposed and signed was unreasonable, but rather common sense. What are your thoughts?
President Obama Introduces a Plan to Reduce Gun Violence | The White House
Got that earlier - although what I was wondering on was the actual source of stats you studied on the issue (reference). Would love to investigate, as I've done my own research but don't know if you have something else in mind that would add to thatArmed robberies, home invasions and other violent crimes where the perpetrator might be justifiably shot by police or an armed citizen.
Got ya. Sad that happened in the manner it did since it was unecessary...I believe it was someone using stats that Piers Morgan cited from the FBI. He threw out a number and someone took the actual number and from the same report showed how he had failed to account for police shootings and citizen self defense shootings. This made the number much lower.
Do you feel the president himself has not taken this into account in light of his current decisions?It's not accurate to equate a police officer shooting an armed robber with a drug dealer shooting a rival when listing numbers that should indicate only criminal uses of firearms.
Gxg (G²);62258290 said:Do you feel the president himself has not taken this into account in light of his current decisions?
Good points - as the desire to protect as a father can often lead to missing the mark of ensuring fathers are able to protect their children universally...Honestly, I think he reacted out of strong emotion as a father and with his liberal ideology he failed to consider how it would be taken by the more hard line gun rights people. I have more concern over Feinstein's actual legislation than Obama's executive action. I don't think he overstepped as badly as is portrayed by some but it's hard to separate his action from the left's legislative push to actually ban whole classes of guns as well as instituting mandatory registration, which has always, historically, resulted in confiscation.
Many states are introducing legislation at the state level which would make it illegal for federal agents to enforce such laws. We are living in interesting times, my friend.
Honestly, I think he reacted out of strong emotion as a father and with his liberal ideology he failed to consider how it would be taken by the more hard line gun rights people. I have more concern over Feinstein's actual legislation than Obama's executive action. I don't think he overstepped as badly as is portrayed by some but it's hard to separate his action from the left's legislative push to actually ban whole classes of guns as well as instituting mandatory registration, which has always, historically, resulted in confiscation.
Many states are introducing legislation at the state level which would make it illegal for federal agents to enforce such laws. We are living in interesting times, my friend.
I really don't see the problem with registration.
It bothers people who are conspiracy theorists.
I just don't know that it is that useful a use of funds.
I don't think most that it bothers are conspiracy theorists, I think folks just kinda see this as the start of a slippery slope that starts with a good intention, but ends up causing problems (ie the Patriot Act, shudders).
You mean the one from the first X-Men film?I don't either....people are acting like it's the X-Men "mutant registration act"
Good logic on the issue and one of the reasons I often wonder why many complain on the government not doing enough to protect others and yet also arguing that the government is wrong when it tries to do something to protect - examining those who get weapons and seeing if they're qualified.The Patriot Act was problematic from the beginning, no slope there.
But here's the thing: guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. So shouldn't we monitor what people get guns? Shouldn't we record gun transactions? And doesn't that seem to require registering those guns?