DeaconDean
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Can the rapture be found in church history? No. You responded by attacking the basic tenets of the faith.
Fine. Enough with the rabbit trails. Can the rapture be found in church history before 1800? Didn’t think so.
I gave you a chapter to look at. You ignored it and wrote, “Here again, I provided the Parts and Chapters to "The Cause of God And Truth" by John Gill as you quoted.” Just read Gill’s intro to the work.
The basics of Reformed theology and you have decided it is easier to ‘rapture’ or remove (lol) the bulk of his argument and reduce it to the 5 points of Calvinism. Do you think the 5 points exist without the 5 solas? Are you really trying to say that?
And how is that contrary to what I posted? Did you even read the fathers I posted?
Yes, that’s right. The 5 solas can be found in the early church but NOT THE RAPTURE! NOT AT ALL.
Already posted…the 5 solas as formulated by the Reformers were presented in a nice and tidy scholastic package. It was not an invention, as you are suggesting, of the Reformers.
I did. Even posted quotes from the fathers. But what you are suggesting is just ludicrous. To say the 5 solas was the invention of the Reformers ignores the very quote you posted, “are five Latin phrases that emerged during the Protestant Reformation…” Instead of admitting the Rapture doctrine cannot be found in history before 1800 you decide to attack the 5 solas and say, “see they were invented by the Reformers,” no, your source agreed that the Reformers formatted a response to the false teaching of the Catholic church.
No, it isn’t. Your obsession with the Rapture and defending isn’t funny at all.And its funny,
You are ignoring the fact, Rapture was invented by John Darby, that’s a fact.
I can only lead a horse to water, I can’t make him drink, I’m not doing all your homework for you. You are attempting to hijack the thread and make it about the 5 solas? Really?
Well, I’m not going to copy something straight out of a book or website without giving credit and pass it off as my own work or research. That would be dishonest.
I can only do what time allows and you are still trying to side track this thread.
Its about the RAPTURE. John Darby invented it.
This sentence doesn’t make much sense. Did they or did they not teach the solas? Are you now taking the foot out of your mouth? Remember what you wrote, "While you may have shown that a few of the ECF's taught doctrines similar to the five Sola's"
So, your faith was the invention of the Reformers, and has no connection to the early church whatsoever? Rapture talk please.
You are being dishonest I wrote, “You may have John Gill's works but it seems you haven't read them. It is very clear in Cause of God and Truth that Gill demolishes the Arminian notion of freewill and works religion by reference the classic theological framework know as the Five Solas. He doesn't refer to them outright but they are clearly there on almost every page.”
Remember what you wrote, "While you may have shown that a few of the ECF's taught doctrines similar to the five Sola's"
Gill makes that clear. Every defence of the TULIP has a thread of the 5 solas running through it.
So your not gonna answer the question.
Hum...
Fine.
Was Enoch and Elijah not "raptured" out of this world by God Himself?
Just because the word "rapture" isn't in the scriptures, and just because it wasn't taught prior to 1800 don't mean squat.
Trinity, isn't in there either.
Yet that doctrine wasn't setteled until AD 325 and it is the "cornerstone" of Christianity.
When you quit calling what we believe a "false doctrine" I might stop.
When you stop, I will. untill then...
Let the games begin
God Bless
Till all are one.
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