I still see no evidence of that. If they had put that out right away, there wouldn't be all this lingering doubt.
You don't see the damage highlighted in that photo? It looks just like the rest of the building to you?
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I still see no evidence of that. If they had put that out right away, there wouldn't be all this lingering doubt.
So, do you still not see where the fuselage went?
I see that. It would be nice to see some scale. That looks more like the size of a Cessna than a 767. It would also be nice to see scale of the wingspan, as well as the tail.
Wow, so now ManFromUncle has posted something that almost no Truthers try to bring up any more...the old claim that 'some of the hijackers are still alive'.
This is one of the most irritating things about the Truth movement. It doesn't matter how many times it gets refuted, they'll just wait a little while and reintroduce the whole meme again. I'm sure some of them are after the Truth, but many of them seem willing to throw anything out there to try to produce doubt, even when it's false or contradicts the other thing they threw out before.
And without even going into the details of why it's false, it only takes a few seconds of thought to realize how stupid it would be of the government to go to all this supposed trouble of planting bombs in the buildings, faking plane crashes, or whatever else this sinister plot is supposed to entail...yet not have the common sense that naming a living person as a dead hijacker wouldn't get noticed and foil the whole plot.
On one hand, it's the most (unnecessarily) complicated, dastardly plan ever concocted, and on the other...it's foiled by errors like forgetting to make sure the fake hijacker you name is not living.
Btodd
You can see a man out on the lawn in that pic for a bit of scale. I seem to remember a pic where the scale of the plane is super-imposed over the impact. I'll see if I can find it.
Btodd
Do you at least find it odd that three of the hijacker's passports were found on the sidewalks after the planes hit the Towers?
Does that mean they weren't in an operation financed by OBL? I mean, we didn't fight AF's officially recognized Gov't; we broke up AQ training camps and otherwise weakened AQ as much as we could w/o risking our soldier's excessively.
Do you at least find it odd that three of the hijacker's passports were found on the sidewalks after the planes hit the Towers?
Of course they were living in the US, LOL. The leadership of AlQaeda was, at that time, Bin Laden in his sanctuary in Afghanistan. The Taliban were the official Afghan government and willingly hosted Bin Laden.
However, I agree that the Invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and diverted miltary resources from Afghanistan, thereby prolonging US involvement there. The Bush administration allowed popular misconceptions about Iraq being involved in 9/11 to go unchallenged because it helped fuel the campaign for the war.
Congress has abdicated much of it's duties, allowing Presidents too much leeway to wage war. A revisiting of the War Powers Act and similar legislation seems overdue.
I thought that just one was found at the Towers. Yeah, I think it's not what you might expect, but keep in mind that he was at the very front of the plane. His body would have been broken into many pieces and possibly passed through the building before the explosion. If it was in his wallet, it's conceivable.
For people who think it was planted (not saying you said this), it makes even less sense after all that for someone to need to run over to the sidewalk and throw down a fake passport. It didn't tell us anything we couldn't verify from the flight records in the first place...making it a very unnecessary step.
That's my take, anyway.
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For people who think it was planted (not saying you said this), it makes even less sense after all that for someone to need to run over to the sidewalk and throw down a fake passport.
Were they fake, or real? It makes perfect sense to put the real ones there. The owners no longer need them, you know who they are, and there are other sleeper cells right in the same neighborhood. Terrorism 101 (I never heard about any passports)
Do you at least find it odd that three of the hijacker's passports were found on the sidewalks after the planes hit the Towers?
You are correct, just one passport in NY, two were found in PA (UA93).
^ ^ This brings up the point I've made, which has merely been sneered at. The pilot stuck the nose of the plane into the Pentagon at ground level, making a PERFECT strike if he didn't bounce along the ground first. How does this compare to the margin of error a commercial pilot enjoys while landing?
I actually think the terrorist would've rather hit a little higher. Also interesting is the side of the building hit is where the least amount of damage would be done, but I don't think that necessarily means anything. OBL wouldn't have necessarily known that.
I think the guy in the vid is wrong about the potential to crash the plane into the roof. The angle of attack would either have the plane grave the roof and skim off, not doing so much damage, or be so steep as to likely create a miss.