9/11 Science Club: Mass Does Not Accelerate as it Accumulates, It Can Only Slow Down

[Btodd]

I have no other apple to compare it to. Your pic isn't remotely like any other "pre collapse" pic I've ever seen before. The hole in your pic is TINY compared to any other hole I've ever seen. The only other pre-collapse pic I've seen, shows the same huge gaping hole every other pic shows, except the building is still connected along the roof line.

Then post another pre-collapse pic that you're referring to, instead of a post-collapse one. There are more available; indeed, if you saw one...then it's available.


Btodd

 

[true2theword]

You say your chalked out pic shows "the exact same hole," but it does NOT. The only better comparison I know of, would be the lone shot of the top section of the building still intact, across what you're calling the impact hole. Not having both on hand to compare the two, I can't assert what a comparison would yield; but the decided LACK of hole in your chalked out pic gives a completely different impression than virtually anything else I've ever seen.

If this is what happened, this is what the news should have reported. Apparently every other pic shows the work of demolition crews, and not impact of a plane.

this picture is a good one, what it shows is that the plane did not clip the ground before entering, and more importantly either didnt have wings or a tail section, because there is no freakin way a full sized aircraft is going to fold up and fit into that one hole in the building

 

[true2theword]

Nope.

Coming in at that angle, whatever survived the impact would at the least bounce off the building and continue in that direction, not simply drop down to the ground right there by the impact hole, as if all forward momentum just came to a halt.

And you're overstating the amount of ridicule...I've provided a huge amount of careful rebuttals here, pictures of things people said didn't exist, and pictures of beams that supposedly all melted. Things like the latter deserve ridicule, sorry.



Speaking of red herrings...


Btodd

this bottom photo is the one I was refering to in my previous post, its just incrediably ingnorant to think the entire wings and tail section disintigrated, yet not damage the exterior, the damage witnessed in this bottom photo is the damage produced from what ever entered the hole in the building

 

[true2theword]

Which is why it's on YouTube. You can put anything on YouTube, regardless of whether it makes any sense.

no what doesn't make sense is it wasnt there during construction

 

[Btodd]

this bottom photo is the one I was refering to in my previous post, its just incrediably ingnorant to think the entire wings and tail section disintigrated, yet not damage the exterior, the damage witnessed in this bottom photo is the damage produced from what ever entered the hole in the building

Right...the damage to the exterior where the brick is gone just happens to fit the wingspan perfectly. It's just a weird coincidence caused by a missile.


Btodd

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

False...

First it wouldn't have mattered concerning Afghanistan in the first place cause that's where the attack on 9/11 was directed from...

Second, Bush actually did get approval from CONGRESS for the War in Iraq...


In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.

Senate approves Iraq war resolution - CNN

I know Democrats like rewriting history, but the facts are the facts...



I kinda understood what was happening, we were attacked and this country was going to fight back.

All nineteen hijackers were from SA(15), UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, and living in the US at the time. To my knowledge, these men were never in Afghanistan. As for invading Afghanistan, Bush had sixty days to act unilaterally, without approval from Congress, even though he did get it. To this day, Congress has never officially declared the invasion as an act of war. The US is able to enjoy a more lenient restrictions without an official act of war being declared. Once Afghanistan's resources were secured, we crossed into Iraq to find those WMD's. We've been there ever since as well.

 

[cow451]

All nineteen hijackers were from SA(15), UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, and living in the US at the time. To my knowledge, these men were never in Afghanistan. As for invading Afghanistan, Bush had sixty days to act unilaterally, without approval from Congress, even though he did get it. To this day, Congress has never officially declared the invasion as an act of war. The US is able to enjoy a more lenient restrictions without an official act of war being declared. Once Afghanistan's resources were secured, we crossed into Iraq to find those WMD's. We've been there ever since as well.

Of course they were living in the US, LOL. The leadership of AlQaeda was, at that time, Bin Laden in his sanctuary in Afghanistan. The Taliban were the official Afghan government and willingly hosted Bin Laden.

All of the 9/11 hijackers were trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. These same camps were used to train Taliban fighters, as well as al Qaeda operatives who fought alongside the Taliban. Similarly, terrorists involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, al Qaeda's millennium bomb plots, the failed Dec. 2001 shoe bomb attack and numerous other plots were all trained in the Taliban's Afghanistan.​

However, I agree that the Invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and diverted miltary resources from Afghanistan, thereby prolonging US involvement there. The Bush administration allowed popular misconceptions about Iraq being involved in 9/11 to go unchallenged because it helped fuel the campaign for the war.​

Congress has abdicated much of it's duties, allowing Presidents too much leeway to wage war. A revisiting of the War Powers Act and similar legislation seems overdue.​

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Of course they were living in the US, LOL. The leadership of AlQaeda was, at that time, Bin Laden in his sanctuary in Afghanistan. The Taliban were the official Afghan government and willingly hosted Bin Laden.

All of the 9/11 hijackers were trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. These same camps were used to train Taliban fighters, as well as al Qaeda operatives who fought alongside the Taliban. Similarly, terrorists involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, al Qaeda's millennium bomb plots, the failed Dec. 2001 shoe bomb attack and numerous other plots were all trained in the Taliban's Afghanistan.​

However, I agree that the Invasion of Iraq was unnecessary and diverted miltary resources from Afghanistan, thereby prolonging US involvement there. The Bush administration allowed popular misconceptions about Iraq being involved in 9/11 to go unchallenged because it helped fuel the campaign for the war.​

Congress has abdicated much of it's duties, allowing Presidents too much leeway to wage war. A revisiting of the War Powers Act and similar legislation seems overdue.​

You seem to be in agreeance with me.

 

[cow451]

You seem to be in agreeance with me.

Other than that matter of what hit the Pentagon....

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Other than that matter of what hit the Pentagon....

If you're the guy who thinks the spools were landing gear, then no.

 

[cow451]

If you're the guy who thinks the spools were landing gear, then no.

This looks more like a landing gear to me:

 

[seeking Christ]

the damage witnessed in this bottom photo is the damage produced from what ever entered the hole in the building

What is "witnessed" in that bottom photo is some weird chalky color superimposed onto the actual picture, making it impossible to decipher what it really portrays. Again, that shows a stage of damage I've never seen before, and it makes it seem as if everything presented by the news was created by demolition crews to make it more plausible. Or something. Look at the sheer edges along the roof line, of the so-called "collapse." Looks like it was done by a saw.

 

[seeking Christ]

Right...the damage to the exterior where the brick is gone just happens to fit the wingspan perfectly.

I still see no evidence of that. If they had put that out right away, there wouldn't be all this lingering doubt.

 

[ManFromUncle]

All nineteen hijackers were from SA(15), UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, and living in the US at the time. To my knowledge, these men were never in Afghanistan. As for invading Afghanistan, Bush had sixty days to act unilaterally, without approval from Congress, even though he did get it. To this day, Congress has never officially declared the invasion as an act of war. The US is able to enjoy a more lenient restrictions without an official act of war being declared. Once Afghanistan's resources were secured, we crossed into Iraq to find those WMD's. We've been there ever since as well.

LOL at Americans not even questioning how many of the 19
hijackers are still alive.

BBC News
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

 

[seeking Christ]

All nineteen hijackers were from SA(15), UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, and living in the US at the time. To my knowledge, these men were never in Afghanistan.

Does that mean they weren't in an operation financed by OBL? I mean, we didn't fight AF's officially recognized Gov't; we broke up AQ training camps and otherwise weakened AQ as much as we could w/o risking our soldier's excessively.

 

[seeking Christ]

The Taliban were the official Afghan government and willingly hosted Bin Laden.

No the Taliban was NOT the official AF gov't. If they had been we would've declared war with that Nation and the whole thing would've been MUCH simpler

 

[true2theword]

Right...the damage to the exterior where the brick is gone just happens to fit the wingspan perfectly. It's just a weird coincidence caused by a missile.


Btodd

coinsidence!.......911 is just jammed packed with coinsidences of every dimension, and you can't see all those coinsidences, but bricks fall off a building that just exploded in a certian way and thats conclusive evidence a huge airliner hit the building.............I might even buy into your brick/wing theory but where in the world did your tail piece hit

 

[true2theword]

What is "witnessed" in that bottom photo is some weird chalky color superimposed onto the actual picture, making it impossible to decipher what it really portrays. Again, that shows a stage of damage I've never seen before, and it makes it seem as if everything presented by the news was created by demolition crews to make it more plausible. Or something. Look at the sheer edges along the roof line, of the so-called "collapse." Looks like it was done by a saw.

I think what your seeing is different photos spliced togather to show what the building looked like before it caved in

 

[Btodd]

What is "witnessed" in that bottom photo is some weird chalky color superimposed onto the actual picture, making it impossible to decipher what it really portrays. Again, that shows a stage of damage I've never seen before, and it makes it seem as if everything presented by the news was created by demolition crews to make it more plausible. Or something. Look at the sheer edges along the roof line, of the so-called "collapse." Looks like it was done by a saw.

The color is supposed to highlight where the plane hit, unless you're talking about the white residue from the firefighting efforts.

So, do you still not see where the fuselage went? Is that what you're after at this point? A better pic of the entry hole? You were talking about it when we left off last night.


Btodd

 

[seeking Christ]

Maybe, I dunno. What I'd like to see is what the building actually looked like after the smoke first cleared, and what the approachway looked like as well. You say that chalked out pic shows the plane didn't skim off the ground, but I say for it to have hit that low it had to have done so.