Does anyone else think that going outside the Scripture (theology) is dangerous now?

[LovesJesusChrist38]

We must beware. False teaching and our own flawed understanding will lead us astray, we must abide in the lord and his teaching found in all books and letters of the Nt.



2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That doesn't seem to add up. The bible is good and holy. If we take the law only instead of all scripture then i might agree, but without scripture i would have been lead astray by false doctrine.

So you took hold of fear .

sorry to hear that friend .

when the sin revives in your heart and kills you again and you feel all exhausted from you know not what . i'll still be praying for God to revive you. hope you have a nice day.

Yes, but the teaching of the the lord and NT apostles taught you what love is. And how do we know how to love God or others without meditating on his word/scriptures?

Without scripture there is only our own flawed understanding.

I know what love is .. because God loved me first .

 

[x141]

Yes, but the teaching of the the lord and NT apostles taught you what love is. And how do we know how to love God or others without meditating on his word/scriptures?

Without scripture there is only our own flawed understanding.

What about Enoch, or Abraham ... the Bible is 66 books, the other six is our perception or flawed understanding of him.

Don't limit God by your soul and he won't become limited to you ...

 

[jasonsloss]

Hm, how can we live by man's doctrine and meditating on such thing? The Gospel is simple. Doctrines from what I've seen of them - are things which are man-created. So I don't know, bro. I think Doctrines are not from God but from men understanding things in their way and this goes out to others then all of a sudden, there's alot of doctrines out there and it says nothing in the Scriptures to my knowledge about doctrines, infact Jesus rebuked the man-made traditions (of putting value of them before God) so I believe doctrines/theology is utterly dangerous. It's not Scriptural, it's man-made and not from God, I believe. We let the Holy Spirit always guide us to truth.

hello just want to say that there are biblical doctrines that we are to come to know and sometimes we already know them but did not know that it was a doctrine... Paul talks of these doctrines and so does Peter, James, and John... and the life of Christ in itself is a doctrine... so as long as you always test every spirit and every teaching against the word of God then you are on the right track to ultimate truths of our God

 

[Calebt]

Ah okay. I also guess to take it into context - when Paul, Peter, James and John spoke of doctrines - they knew it had to stand up to the testing of that Jesus came in the flesh and that it had to be led by the spirit, right? But I guess now, this modern age where there are just so many (completely off-track) doctrines that sprang from the Christian faith. This is what I was talking about, the same way Paul talked about the church - a church back in those day at a teacher in the middle with people sitting around in a circle, and it involved dialogue aswell as each person singing their own hymn, praise and song but now when you look at the church in the modern-age it's either a mega complex where we sit in there to get wave after wave with no room for dialogue and sometimes some of us would like to share but we're not allowed unless we have gone through their system and it's sort of like, comparing the then and now. I think the now has gotten off-track as with doctrines but I believe the Holy Spirit works within everything for those who are seeking the Lord and in and amongst congregations, I don't know how the Spirit works but I do know boy, does it work! And eventually God's will prevail always! Oh yeah! Praise the Lord!

 

[jasonsloss]

Ah okay. I also guess to take it into context - when Paul, Peter, James and John spoke of doctrines - they knew it had to stand up to the testing of that Jesus came in the flesh and that it had to be led by the spirit, right? But I guess now, this modern age where there are just so many (completely off-track) doctrines that sprang from the Christian faith. This is what I was talking about, the same way Paul talked about the church - a church back in those day at a teacher in the middle with people sitting around in a circle, and it involved dialogue aswell as each person singing their own hymn, praise and song but now when you look at the church in the modern-age it's either a mega complex where we sit in there to get wave after wave with no room for dialogue and sometimes some of us would like to share but we're not allowed unless we have gone through their system and it's sort of like, comparing the then and now. I think the now has gotten off-track as with doctrines but I believe the Holy Spirit works within everything for those who are seeking the Lord and in and amongst congregations, I don't know how the Spirit works but I do know boy, does it work! And eventually God's will prevail always! Oh yeah! Praise the Lord!

Amen... I just believe we need not to look at the church as a building but as the bible teaches us the church is the complete body of Christ... And to seek fellowship with other believers....

 

[seeingeyes]

Any advice out there for me, a baby in our Lord Jesus Christ?

The Lord speaks to us where we are at. And because of that you shouldn't be surprised when others speak about what the Lord has shown them and it makes absolutely no sense to you.

Yes, there are false doctrines out there, but there are also words from the Lord that just aren't for you, they are for some other kid. And that's ok.

When Jesus sat down with his disciples for a chat, he didn't talk to them the same way that he talked to the crowds, or to the scribes, or to the woman at the well. Some words were just for them. All of these people were spoken to exactly as they needed to be. Jesus used discernment with all of them.

For example, you mentioned 'soul ties'. They appear to be based on the idea that sex creates a bond between two people, which is based on verses like 'two shall become one flesh'. So soul ties are at least two steps removed from any scriptural teaching. Certainly not 'Biblical'.

However, when you listen to the people who do believe in soul ties (I am not one of them, by the way) you will generally find Christians who have been haunted by remorse and self-condemnation for past sexual dalliances. They are unable to fully receive the love and forgiveness of Christ because they are to busy bashing themselves over the head with ancient sins. And the concept of breaking and renouncing soul ties in the name of the Lord gives them a concrete sense of power over sin in Jesus' name.

Which is clearly a good and even Biblical conclusion, even though it was reached in a very round-about manner.

And who am I to say that this round-about was unnecessary? If someone were to try to raise soul ties to the level of dogma, I'd sure put up a fight. But if some ultimately find solace in Christ's work by conceptualizing certain sins as causing soul ties, then praise the Lord.

Since you are a little munchkin in Jesus (so cute! ), you may very well experience a kind of information overload. You've got proper doctrines and false doctrines and sideways doctrines and personal revelations flying at you from all angles. It's hard to figure out what's right and what's kinda right and what's utter crap. Especially considering that the proponents of each and every one of these doctrines will be quoting Bible verses at you.

So do what any little munchkin would do: Keep your eyes on your Father.

Does x doctrine describe the same Father that Jesus described?

If yes, mull it over.

If no, toss it.

If you don't know, hand it to your Father and don't worry about it. He'll hand it back when you are 'big enough'.

It's a true act of trust to say, "I just don't know", and have faith that the Lord holds you up even still.

As you grow up with your Dad in heaven, you will learn the same discernment that Jesus showed. You will learn to see around spiritual corners like he did, and when a brand-spanking-new doctrine pops up, you'll be able to say, "there is nothing new under the sun!"

God bless, little brother.

 

[CGL1023]

For young Christians? Even perhaps old ones? It's because I was at a point where I was reading the Word, I read it everyday and I believe that it's only by my faith in Jesus Christ that I am saved and that reading the Word just doesn't automatically make you a Christian (I mean even Satan knows Scripture), anyway, I was reading the Word and things were very clear to me.

Now, they aren't as clear and it's because I think I take in things that others might say about Scripture then the Word isn't as clear as it was to me. In particular I have been reading Joseph Prince's book Destined to Reign. I was reading about God's grace and I read through some parts and read how I have been forgiven and am covered by his grace for all sins past, present and future then I go back to the Word to see where it says this and I can't find it.

I read a part in his book where a smoker was smoking cigarettes and kept saying I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ and he eventually got off of them. When I said this, I just got guilty and felt condemned. My mind is becoming more focused on these things that I want to break free from and I feel like I'm not continuing forward in Christ.

It is written, there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus and yet condemnation still came and went so I started second guessing everything except what was in the Word.

I believe that I am under constant attack because what started out as enjoying the Word has sort of turned into just me getting confused somewhat. I don't think it's a big problem as I make it out to be but it's like, I just want to read the Word and know Christ is there for me in times of trouble - I think mixing another person's interpretation of Scripture with your understanding of the Scripture is wrong. Amen.

I believe we have been forgiven for our sins and that we can only accept God's grace if we come away from our lifestyles of sin. I think it is best to be Christ-focused instead of sin-focused so Joseph Prince has helped me understand that a bit better but my head gets worn out sometimes.

I think as a young Christian, you should go things at your own pace. That's why I think theology (especially theology about the Word through another person's interpretation and not one led by the Spirit of God or denomination or cult is just flat out dangerous to us babies in the Lord Jesus Christ) and this is what I'm thankful for - the Holy Spirit to guide me in reading the Word and always. When a person tells you something then you read the Word and it doesn't feel right, I think it's best to just rely on the Holy Spirit to get you out of that.

I have been reading about "soul ties" and I'm saying - that is not Scripture to my knowledge, where do people come up with this? Like we have soul ties to things and I'm going whaaat? What is all this stuff out there confusing me? Anyway, I would just like to hear others - what they think on the matter and if anyone would like to help me through this or pray for me because I just want to be FREE in our Lord Jesus Christ. Though I am asking for advice and help, I will offer my own from experience:- Guards up and be watchful no man deceives you. I think we live in a very big age well not that big to God but big to me and I think the spirit of the antichrist is going around and confusing alot of Christians will Gospels not found in the bible (as in doctrines and things of that nature that aren't Scriptural).

Any advice out there for me, a baby in our Lord Jesus Christ?

Two sciptures come to mind to complete your case. I have included extra scriptures for context.

• 2 Cor 6:14-16 14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belialb? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.

• 2.) I Jn 1:7-11 7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what wea have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

 

[stormdancer0]

The Lord speaks to us where we are at. And because of that you shouldn't be surprised when others speak about what the Lord has shown them and it makes absolutely no sense to you.

Yes, there are false doctrines out there, but there are also words from the Lord that just aren't for you, they are for some other kid. And that's ok.

When Jesus sat down with his disciples for a chat, he didn't talk to them the same way that he talked to the crowds, or to the scribes, or to the woman at the well. Some words were just for them. All of these people were spoken to exactly as they needed to be. Jesus used discernment with all of them.

For example, you mentioned 'soul ties'. They appear to be based on the idea that sex creates a bond between two people, which is based on verses like 'two shall become one flesh'. So soul ties are at least two steps removed from any scriptural teaching. Certainly not 'Biblical'.

However, when you listen to the people who do believe in soul ties (I am not one of them, by the way) you will generally find Christians who have been haunted by remorse and self-condemnation for past sexual dalliances. They are unable to fully receive the love and forgiveness of Christ because they are to busy bashing themselves over the head with ancient sins. And the concept of breaking and renouncing soul ties in the name of the Lord gives them a concrete sense of power over sin in Jesus' name.

Which is clearly a good and even Biblical conclusion, even though it was reached in a very round-about manner.

And who am I to say that this round-about was unnecessary? If someone were to try to raise soul ties to the level of dogma, I'd sure put up a fight. But if some ultimately find solace in Christ's work by conceptualizing certain sins as causing soul ties, then praise the Lord.

Since you are a little munchkin in Jesus (so cute! ), you may very well experience a kind of information overload. You've got proper doctrines and false doctrines and sideways doctrines and personal revelations flying at you from all angles. It's hard to figure out what's right and what's kinda right and what's utter crap. Especially considering that the proponents of each and every one of these doctrines will be quoting Bible verses at you.

So do what any little munchkin would do: Keep your eyes on your Father.

Does x doctrine describe the same Father that Jesus described?

If yes, mull it over.

If no, toss it.

If you don't know, hand it to your Father and don't worry about it. He'll hand it back when you are 'big enough'.

It's a true act of trust to say, "I just don't know", and have faith that the Lord holds you up even still.

As you grow up with your Dad in heaven, you will learn the same discernment that Jesus showed. You will learn to see around spiritual corners like he did, and when a brand-spanking-new doctrine pops up, you'll be able to say, "there is nothing new under the sun!"

God bless, little brother.

Just a note on soul ties. They are not just a result of sexual involvement. You can have soul ties with anyone. It is just a connection that you have with someone whom you've been close to, and who is in some way having an effect on your decisions and your life.

 

[seeingeyes]

Just a note on soul ties. They are not just a result of sexual involvement. You can have soul ties with anyone. It is just a connection that you have with someone whom you've been close to, and who is in some way having an effect on your decisions and your life.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Thefunkyfundy]

I have been reading Joseph Prince's book Destined to Reign.
It is written, there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus and yet condemnation still came and went so I started second guessing everything except what was in the Word.

REst easy brother, our God is not a God of confusion and neither is His word.
I dont know the author or the book you have read but it seems to be the cause of this confusion, can I suggest then that this book is not of God?

The condemnation comes form satan the accuser of the bretheren, rebuke satan by quoting the scripture; there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. As many times as it takes. Ive said the scripture "all things work for Good to those who love the Lord and are called according to His puposes" thousands of times to myself.

God bless you.

 

[mistic7]

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I'm living this Promise


God Bless you

 

[PerilousTimes]

So you took hold of fear .

sorry to hear that friend .

when the sin revives in your heart and kills you again and you feel all exhausted from you know not what . i'll still be praying for God to revive you. hope you have a nice day.



I know what love is .. because God loved me first .

Im not afraid of the bible. Others seem afraid of it though. (perfect love casts out fear, he who fears is not perfected in love)The scriptures are good and holy, they show us our weaknesses, our sin, it guides us daily in the paths of righteousness, holiness, love and is inspired by God himself. What is there to fear in that?

 

[PerilousTimes]

What are we afraid of folks? Are we afraid of being reproved, rebuked, corrected or instructed? Afraid of perfection? Afraid of God and His doctrine?

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[PerilousTimes]

How can a person claim to be perfected in love yet still fear the scriptures?

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.




1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

 

[SarahL]

I like this post - especially the bit about soul ties, I completely agree! Have been a Christian for more than 20 years and only heard this expression fairly recently ....from a friend who did read a lot of Christian books! I am pretty sure this is not a biblical expression either.

I have found I am drawn to more testimony-based Christian writers that encourage - but are sound in scripture.

I think you being led by the Spirit to enjoy the Word and be guided by it is fab, definitely - especially as a newer Christian. And the Holy Spirit can speak to you about it through good teaching (heard I mean) as well - I guess that's pretty biblical as well

 

[Happy to help]

As i wrote my re, i was watching a movie about Hosea, it is very edifying hearing about his story, i see it through the things the HS has taught me from the NT. Praise the Lord, cant help but love him. Im going to finish this movie now. Its on netflix, its a movie for young adults i think, but i'm enjoying it.

Its called "amazing love"

very good movie just watched it the other day

 

[Happy to help]

So do what any little munchkin would do: Keep your eyes on your Father.

Does x doctrine describe the same Father that Jesus described?

If yes, mull it over.

If no, toss it.

If you don't know, hand it to your Father and don't worry about it. He'll hand it back when you are 'big enough'.

It's a true act of trust to say, "I just don't know", and have faith that the Lord holds you up even still.

As you grow up with your Dad in heaven, you will learn the same discernment that Jesus showed. You will learn to see around spiritual corners like he did, and when a brand-spanking-new doctrine pops up, you'll be able to say, "there is nothing new under the sun!"

God bless, little brother. [/QUOTE]





this has helped me because i am also just a baby in christ. thanks!

 

[Alive_Again]

Solomon spoke from a fleshy perspective as the "old man" in Ecclesiastes. In Christ all things are new. The new nature on the inside of you brings a perspective Solomon never knew.

Of course you are right when God will show you when someone tries to add something on your God established foundation that does not fit, you will discern it. You must walk closely for this to happen. Even if you fall back somewhat, you'll get a sense that something isn't quite right.

God does still give revelation that is outside what we've currently known, but it does agree with everything that has gone on before. As one prophet pointed out, when John the Baptist came along preaching repentance and baptism for the remission of sins, that was "new" and not the prescription given by Moses. It was new revelation. Who knew you could have your sins forgiven outside of the yearly sacrifice? The religious minded (not relationship minded) opposed the "shift". God has some new shifts for His church as He is still the Head and many changes are coming to the Body. They will not by any means replace the gospel but our unity and worship and the exercise of the anointing will take on a powerful dimension that will seem "new". The latter house glory will exceed for the former one and we should make sure we're relationship minded and not religious so we will not be offended by the changes.

God intends to reveal many surprises to the church and even though we don't have new scripture, God still uses people like He did John and still catches people up to Heaven. God still sends people to make His ways known more perfectly.

 

[Michele B]

Ah okay. I also guess to take it into context - when Paul, Peter, James and John spoke of doctrines - they knew it had to stand up to the testing of that Jesus came in the flesh and that it had to be led by the spirit, right? But I guess now, this modern age where there are just so many (completely off-track) doctrines that sprang from the Christian faith. This is what I was talking about, the same way Paul talked about the church - a church back in those day at a teacher in the middle with people sitting around in a circle, and it involved dialogue aswell as each person singing their own hymn, praise and song but now when you look at the church in the modern-age it's either a mega complex where we sit in there to get wave after wave with no room for dialogue and sometimes some of us would like to share but we're not allowed unless we have gone through their system and it's sort of like, comparing the then and now. I think the now has gotten off-track as with doctrines but I believe the Holy Spirit works within everything for those who are seeking the Lord and in and amongst congregations, I don't know how the Spirit works but I do know boy, does it work! And eventually God's will prevail always! Oh yeah! Praise the Lord!

You make a great point about how the churches - the brick and mortar type - have changed the form of worship from the early church. That's why it's important to stay grounded in the Word of God, as that is where you will find the purest form of what God wants to tell us.....NOT from any preachers or TV pastors.

Many of them are teaching things that are NOT in God's Word. you are right to be wary of them.

Scripture says "Those who worship (God) must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth"