Does anyone else think that going outside the Scripture (theology) is dangerous now?

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For young Christians? Even perhaps old ones? It's because I was at a point where I was reading the Word, I read it everyday and I believe that it's only by my faith in Jesus Christ that I am saved and that reading the Word just doesn't automatically make you a Christian (I mean even Satan knows Scripture), anyway, I was reading the Word and things were very clear to me.

Now, they aren't as clear and it's because I think I take in things that others might say about Scripture then the Word isn't as clear as it was to me. In particular I have been reading Joseph Prince's book Destined to Reign. I was reading about God's grace and I read through some parts and read how I have been forgiven and am covered by his grace for all sins past, present and future then I go back to the Word to see where it says this and I can't find it.

I read a part in his book where a smoker was smoking cigarettes and kept saying I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ and he eventually got off of them. When I said this, I just got guilty and felt condemned. My mind is becoming more focused on these things that I want to break free from and I feel like I'm not continuing forward in Christ.

It is written, there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus and yet condemnation still came and went so I started second guessing everything except what was in the Word.

I believe that I am under constant attack because what started out as enjoying the Word has sort of turned into just me getting confused somewhat. I don't think it's a big problem as I make it out to be but it's like, I just want to read the Word and know Christ is there for me in times of trouble - I think mixing another person's interpretation of Scripture with your understanding of the Scripture is wrong. Amen.

I believe we have been forgiven for our sins and that we can only accept God's grace if we come away from our lifestyles of sin. I think it is best to be Christ-focused instead of sin-focused so Joseph Prince has helped me understand that a bit better but my head gets worn out sometimes.

I think as a young Christian, you should go things at your own pace. That's why I think theology (especially theology about the Word through another person's interpretation and not one led by the Spirit of God or denomination or cult is just flat out dangerous to us babies in the Lord Jesus Christ) and this is what I'm thankful for - the Holy Spirit to guide me in reading the Word and always. When a person tells you something then you read the Word and it doesn't feel right, I think it's best to just rely on the Holy Spirit to get you out of that.

I have been reading about "soul ties" and I'm saying - that is not Scripture to my knowledge, where do people come up with this? Like we have soul ties to things and I'm going whaaat? What is all this stuff out there confusing me? Anyway, I would just like to hear others - what they think on the matter and if anyone would like to help me through this or pray for me because I just want to be FREE in our Lord Jesus Christ. Though I am asking for advice and help, I will offer my own from experience:- Guards up and be watchful no man deceives you. I think we live in a very big age well not that big to God but big to me and I think the spirit of the antichrist is going around and confusing alot of Christians will Gospels not found in the bible (as in doctrines and things of that nature that aren't Scriptural).

Any advice out there for me, a baby in our Lord Jesus Christ?
 

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Scripture has been my guide, i dont read too many other books. And i dont try to read the whole bible either, i stick with the Gospel and epistles mainly, Psalms sometimes, and its helped me a lot, i think doctrine is simple, once we learn it the important thing is meditating on it, and living by it in obedience. All scripture is good, but we must begin to apply what we know or more study wont help us.


I put faith in this promise and found it to be true

Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
 
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Hm, how can we live by man's doctrine and meditating on such thing? The Gospel is simple. Doctrines from what I've seen of them - are things which are man-created. So I don't know, bro. I think Doctrines are not from God but from men understanding things in their way and this goes out to others then all of a sudden, there's alot of doctrines out there and it says nothing in the Scriptures to my knowledge about doctrines, infact Jesus rebuked the man-made traditions (of putting value of them before God) so I believe doctrines/theology is utterly dangerous. It's not Scriptural, it's man-made and not from God, I believe. We let the Holy Spirit always guide us to truth.
 
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As i wrote my re, i was watching a movie about Hosea, it is very edifying hearing about his story, i see it through the things the HS has taught me from the NT. Praise the Lord, cant help but love him. Im going to finish this movie now. Its on netflix, its a movie for young adults i think, but i'm enjoying it. :)

Its called "amazing love"
 
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We had a young man come in and preach on several scriptures, but primarily he preached from some extra-cannonical book called the Book of Adam.

I was very uncomfortable. I don't mind someone bringing it up, as another ancient text which supports scripture, but he was teaching it as on the same level as scripture.
 
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For young Christians? Even perhaps old ones? It's because I was at a point where I was reading the Word, I read it everyday and I believe that it's only by my faith in Jesus Christ that I am saved and that reading the Word just doesn't automatically make you a Christian (I mean even Satan knows Scripture), anyway, I was reading the Word and things were very clear to me.

Now, they aren't as clear and it's because I think I take in things that others might say about Scripture then the Word isn't as clear as it was to me. In particular I have been reading Joseph Prince's book Destined to Reign. I was reading about God's grace and I read through some parts and read how I have been forgiven and am covered by his grace for all sins past, present and future then I go back to the Word to see where it says this and I can't find it.

I read a part in his book where a smoker was smoking cigarettes and kept saying I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ and he eventually got off of them. When I said this, I just got guilty and felt condemned. My mind is becoming more focused on these things that I want to break free from and I feel like I'm not continuing forward in Christ.

It is written, there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus and yet condemnation still came and went so I started second guessing everything except what was in the Word.

I believe that I am under constant attack because what started out as enjoying the Word has sort of turned into just me getting confused somewhat. I don't think it's a big problem as I make it out to be but it's like, I just want to read the Word and know Christ is there for me in times of trouble - I think mixing another person's interpretation of Scripture with your understanding of the Scripture is wrong. Amen.

I believe we have been forgiven for our sins and that we can only accept God's grace if we come away from our lifestyles of sin. I think it is best to be Christ-focused instead of sin-focused so Joseph Prince has helped me understand that a bit better but my head gets worn out sometimes.

I think as a young Christian, you should go things at your own pace. That's why I think theology (especially theology about the Word through another person's interpretation and not one led by the Spirit of God or denomination or cult is just flat out dangerous to us babies in the Lord Jesus Christ) and this is what I'm thankful for - the Holy Spirit to guide me in reading the Word and always. When a person tells you something then you read the Word and it doesn't feel right, I think it's best to just rely on the Holy Spirit to get you out of that.

I have been reading about "soul ties" and I'm saying - that is not Scripture to my knowledge, where do people come up with this? Like we have soul ties to things and I'm going whaaat? What is all this stuff out there confusing me? Anyway, I would just like to hear others - what they think on the matter and if anyone would like to help me through this or pray for me because I just want to be FREE in our Lord Jesus Christ. Though I am asking for advice and help, I will offer my own from experience:- Guards up and be watchful no man deceives you. I think we live in a very big age well not that big to God but big to me and I think the spirit of the antichrist is going around and confusing alot of Christians will Gospels not found in the bible (as in doctrines and things of that nature that aren't Scriptural).

Any advice out there for me, a baby in our Lord Jesus Christ?

The subject of "soul ties" is interesting. I had been accepting the term as a secular term describing a familiar human phenomenon. It would be that of ungodly, lingering attachments to a former experience or relationship.

An example would be that of a person newly saved or born again, coming out of the world but having strong attachments to the old crowd, activities and indulgences. He can either dominate the flesh in these areas or be pulled back into the sewage of the world, the flesh and the devil.

I am used to using the term but would be open to taking a closer look. I had taken the term, "soul ties", to be a term like rapture, in that the term is not found in the bible but describes a familiar, real-life situation.

I agree with your observations and conclusions generally.
 
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Hm, how can we live by man's doctrine and meditating on such thing? The Gospel is simple. Doctrines from what I've seen of them - are things which are man-created. So I don't know, bro. I think Doctrines are not from God but from men understanding things in their way and this goes out to others then all of a sudden, there's alot of doctrines out there and it says nothing in the Scriptures to my knowledge about doctrines, infact Jesus rebuked the man-made traditions (of putting value of them before God) so I believe doctrines/theology is utterly dangerous. It's not Scriptural, it's man-made and not from God, I believe. We let the Holy Spirit always guide us to truth.

Hi Celebt. Im not understanding what you mean. Scripture found in the bible isn't mans doctrine, its Gods doctrine. Learning from and meditating on scripture, especially doctrine which the NT writers gave us, is learning from and meditating on God. Its not man made, but is inspired by God. Jesus says if we keep his words then we will get the HS to teach us. Its to be expected for the spirit to agree with scripture.




John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

Ro 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
 
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I was reading about God's grace and I read through some parts and read how I have been forgiven and am covered by his grace for all sins past, present and future then I go back to the Word to see where it says this and I can't find it.
That's because it's not there. You enter into covenant with God. That doesn't mean you're automatically going to keep it. Part of the covenant is that when you mess up, a provision has been made by Christ for you to be able repent and be cleansed. It's clear in the Word that you can become defiled in His sight and you can become cleansed. You're in a relationship. When you breach that relationship with sin, you need to become restored.

Think of a relationship with man and his wife. If he commits adultery, he has to reconcile with his wife. She doesn't just say, "That's cool. Your transgressions were paid for and it doesn't matter because it's covered!" No, God's a person and you come to God at the throne of grace to obtain mercy. You have to obtain it. It is available and your part is to repent and get your heart right.

I read a part in his book where a smoker was smoking cigarettes and kept saying I am the righteousness of God through Jesus Christ and he eventually got off of them. When I said this, I just got guilty and felt condemned.
I smoked for years after I was saved and filled. You have to do what you do by faith (that you're righteous just as you are), meaning that God can't be convicting you. But He saved your even when you were (or are) a smoker. It's about the heart. Obviously it is not good to smoke for all the reasons you already know. God wants to take those from you by grace, not all your best efforts. Offer it up to Him and lay it at His feet. Ask Him to do a work within you. It might not be an issue for some time. One day, He'll deal with you about coming to Him to be delivered and healed. When that day comes, have the courage to believe that what God asks for, He gives grace to do. That's what I did. I struggled to quit and one day I knew if I went to this one meeting and received prayer for it, I would leave it behind. I did and I haven't smoke another cigarette since 1990.

My mind is becoming more focused on these things that I want to break free from and I feel like I'm not continuing forward in Christ.
You will groan with creation to be free in every area you perceive is not Christ like. Don't be condemned by it. Ask God to lead you into the path of all your freedom and healing. It will be by grace. You'll have to accept yourself as He does right where you are, right now, as the beautiful person He created. You're received into the beloved, smoker or not, or with whatever struggles you might have. God wants to set you free in many areas, and our walk is like a journey into Canaan land. It will come a battle at a time, and the prescription will be obedience by faith.

...so I started second guessing everything except what was in the Word.
God put the five fold ministry in place to keep us from being deceived. They have a special anointing. Even they can be deceived in areas. Without any slight to Joseph Prince, I do not share his stance on being forgiven already for your future sins. He did pay the price for those sins, but repentance and faith are our essential part.

Just go with what ministers to your spirit and lay aside the rest. Listen to your pastor. Within the flow of receiving by faith and righeousness, you feel led to partake from a certain teacher. Go with it. Do it heartily. As you actively express, you'll bear fruit and watch carefully that there is no disconnect from the peace of God. Endeavor to stay in the presence of God and make your life walk real right where you are today.

You're a baby Christian and you should be partaking of milk. You should be having your foundation laid on the principles of Christ; repentance (from sin and dead works) and faith (goes hand in hand), the doctrine of the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Get some strong faith teaching and realize that you won't be ready for some things. Some things will make you feel woefully inadequate. Just focus on Him and His faithfulness. Walk in love. You can reach a place where when someone builds on that foundation (or tries to), that it won't seem right. Keep asking for wisdom and understanding and discernment. Keep believing for it too.

It is good for young (and old) Christians to declare what God says about you and get it built into your spirit.

I listened to a lot of faith teaching by Kenneth Hagin when I got saved and the Lord led me to a kind of "wonder land". God was and is so good and grace was working!

I have been reading about "soul ties" and I'm saying - that is not Scripture to my knowledge, where do people come up with this?
That's a modern term that signifies what can happen in the spirit realm to our souls. Take the example of Jonathan and David who's souls were "knit together". They had a unique closeness that transcended the physical realm. It is evidenced often in the world, even in the unsaved. People finish each others sentences, know intuitively when a family member across the country is in trouble, or near death, people turn up at the same place at the same time, people pick up the phone and that person is just calling them (even before the phone rings). The enemy knows about this and mediums use it (not condoned!) with objects and it's rather mysterious.

The soul according to scripture often needs "restoration" or healing. What we do with our souls determines the state of health or prosperity of your soul. I wouldn't be overly concerned about that, unless you're led to look into it. If you're just getting started, you need to develop your spiritual judgment or discernment. It's not suspicion. It's a "knowing" that helps you judge whether or not what one is saying or doing is of God.

The soul tie thing is kind of one of the deeper things to learn of in the Lord. When you hear these things (ideally), you should have a "witness" going off inside of you that lets you know when you're hearing truth, even when your natural understanding is out of the loop.

Your mind has to be renewed and a steady diet of the kingdom's leaven will help you develop this. Be careful not to speak or render judgments against what you do not understand. You can actually oppose yourself from getting certain revelations by being judgmental (according to he mind of the flesh). Just put it on a shelf what you don't understand and commit it to God.

You'll find down the road that some of these things make a lot more sense when He has established some foundational precepts within you. (Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.)

Any advice out there for me, a baby in our Lord Jesus Christ?
You're in an exciting time, but the enemy will try and move in and confuse you. He'll try to get you to doubt who you are because when that gets established, their life will be Hell. Some of the devils that follow us have been around us our entire lives (our relatives before us too). Your first goal is getting this in you and established, then his reign will be over (as far as harassing you mercilessly anyway). Focus on walking in love and if a part o the Word sounds hard to you, just ask for understanding, and try to focus on that part of the Word that ministers peace to you.

When your focus is on walking in love, you'll look at the Word for ways of expressing that love that please God's heart. Get in the habit of ministering to God and speaking the Word out loud. Sow the Word into your heart and tend your garden. Keep your heart with diligence and don't receive offense. Be thankful and these things will keep your garden in the right environment for what you sow to grow and bear fruit.

Always bind a spirit of confusion in Jesus' name and declare the Word about us having a spirit of power, love, and a sound mind. Establish kingdom reality on the earth by aligning and declaring it whenever contradictory circumstances present themselves.
 
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If the bible becomes a law in your heart . it can empower sin in your heart . so all things in moderation as the saying goes .

We are supposed to do things by faith and the letters kills. When we're submitted to God and want His will, we hear the Spirit Word written in our hearts. He quickens the written Word.

The Bible is our instruction manual for righteousness that the Lord uses. We are accountable to be do'ers of the Word or we risk a great ruin, as Jesus spoke of building our foundation on the rock.

I think that when we put God on the shelf and do our own thing, that the Word does convict us and it is a law. We're accountable to fulfill the righteousness of the Spirit of that law. If we don't not one jot or tittle will pass away (ever).
 
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We are supposed to do things by faith and the letters kills. When we're submitted to God and want His will, we hear the Spirit Word written in our hearts. He quickens the written Word.

The Bible is our instruction manual for righteousness that the Lord uses. We are accountable to be do'ers of the Word or we risk a great ruin, as Jesus spoke of building our foundation on the rock.

I think that when we put God on the shelf and do our own thing, that the Word does convict us and it is a law. We're accountable to fulfill the righteousness of the Spirit of that law. If we don't not one jot or tittle will pass away (ever).

One is not accountable to the law unless they willingly make themselves accountable . i personally am not accountable to the law . love is my motivation .
 
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Love is the law of the New Testament. It is what we are accountable to do. The whole law and prophets is built into this. It is the law of liberty. Every mention in the Word where it mentions doing the law as a prescription for blessing, you can insert (law of love) in it and it becomes true for us in the new.
 
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Love is the law of the New Testament. It is what we are accountable to do. The whole law and prophets is built into this. It is the law of liberty. Every mention in the Word where it mentions doing the law as a prescription for blessing, you can insert (law of love) in it and it becomes true for us in the new.

The basis of your thinking is too Old Testament for me to accept what you're saying . but i understand what you mean.
 
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That's because it's not there. You enter into covenant with God. That doesn't mean you're automatically going to keep it. Part of the covenant is that when you mess up, a provision has been made by Christ for you to be able repent and be cleansed. It's clear in the Word that you can become defiled in His sight and you can become cleansed. You're in a relationship. When you breach that relationship with sin, you need to become restored.

Think of a relationship with man and his wife. If he commits adultery, he has to reconcile with his wife. She doesn't just say, "That's cool. Your transgressions were paid for and it doesn't matter because it's covered!" No, God's a person and you come to God at the throne of grace to obtain mercy. You have to obtain it. It is available and your part is to repent and get your heart right.

I smoked for years after I was saved and filled. You have to do what you do by faith (that you're righteous just as you are), meaning that God can't be convicting you. But He saved your even when you were (or are) a smoker. It's about the heart. Obviously it is not good to smoke for all the reasons you already know. God wants to take those from you by grace, not all your best efforts. Offer it up to Him and lay it at His feet. Ask Him to do a work within you. It might not be an issue for some time. One day, He'll deal with you about coming to Him to be delivered and healed. When that day comes, have the courage to believe that what God asks for, He gives grace to do. That's what I did. I struggled to quit and one day I knew if I went to this one meeting and received prayer for it, I would leave it behind. I did and I haven't smoke another cigarette since 1990.

You will groan with creation to be free in every area you perceive is not Christ like. Don't be condemned by it. Ask God to lead you into the path of all your freedom and healing. It will be by grace. You'll have to accept yourself as He does right where you are, right now, as the beautiful person He created. You're received into the beloved, smoker or not, or with whatever struggles you might have. God wants to set you free in many areas, and our walk is like a journey into Canaan land. It will come a battle at a time, and the prescription will be obedience by faith.

God put the five fold ministry in place to keep us from being deceived. They have a special anointing. Even they can be deceived in areas. Without any slight to Joseph Prince, I do not share his stance on being forgiven already for your future sins. He did pay the price for those sins, but repentance and faith are our essential part.

Just go with what ministers to your spirit and lay aside the rest. Listen to your pastor. Within the flow of receiving by faith and righeousness, you feel led to partake from a certain teacher. Go with it. Do it heartily. As you actively express, you'll bear fruit and watch carefully that there is no disconnect from the peace of God. Endeavor to stay in the presence of God and make your life walk real right where you are today.

You're a baby Christian and you should be partaking of milk. You should be having your foundation laid on the principles of Christ; repentance (from sin and dead works) and faith (goes hand in hand), the doctrine of the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Get some strong faith teaching and realize that you won't be ready for some things. Some things will make you feel woefully inadequate. Just focus on Him and His faithfulness. Walk in love. You can reach a place where when someone builds on that foundation (or tries to), that it won't seem right. Keep asking for wisdom and understanding and discernment. Keep believing for it too.

It is good for young (and old) Christians to declare what God says about you and get it built into your spirit.

I listened to a lot of faith teaching by Kenneth Hagin when I got saved and the Lord led me to a kind of "wonder land". God was and is so good and grace was working!

That's a modern term that signifies what can happen in the spirit realm to our souls. Take the example of Jonathan and David who's souls were "knit together". They had a unique closeness that transcended the physical realm. It is evidenced often in the world, even in the unsaved. People finish each others sentences, know intuitively when a family member across the country is in trouble, or near death, people turn up at the same place at the same time, people pick up the phone and that person is just calling them (even before the phone rings). The enemy knows about this and mediums use it (not condoned!) with objects and it's rather mysterious.

The soul according to scripture often needs "restoration" or healing. What we do with our souls determines the state of health or prosperity of your soul. I wouldn't be overly concerned about that, unless you're led to look into it. If you're just getting started, you need to develop your spiritual judgment or discernment. It's not suspicion. It's a "knowing" that helps you judge whether or not what one is saying or doing is of God.

The soul tie thing is kind of one of the deeper things to learn of in the Lord. When you hear these things (ideally), you should have a "witness" going off inside of you that lets you know when you're hearing truth, even when your natural understanding is out of the loop.

Your mind has to be renewed and a steady diet of the kingdom's leaven will help you develop this. Be careful not to speak or render judgments against what you do not understand. You can actually oppose yourself from getting certain revelations by being judgmental (according to he mind of the flesh). Just put it on a shelf what you don't understand and commit it to God.

You'll find down the road that some of these things make a lot more sense when He has established some foundational precepts within you. (Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.)

You're in an exciting time, but the enemy will try and move in and confuse you. He'll try to get you to doubt who you are because when that gets established, their life will be Hell. Some of the devils that follow us have been around us our entire lives (our relatives before us too). Your first goal is getting this in you and established, then his reign will be over (as far as harassing you mercilessly anyway). Focus on walking in love and if a part o the Word sounds hard to you, just ask for understanding, and try to focus on that part of the Word that ministers peace to you.

When your focus is on walking in love, you'll look at the Word for ways of expressing that love that please God's heart. Get in the habit of ministering to God and speaking the Word out loud. Sow the Word into your heart and tend your garden. Keep your heart with diligence and don't receive offense. Be thankful and these things will keep your garden in the right environment for what you sow to grow and bear fruit.

Always bind a spirit of confusion in Jesus' name and declare the Word about us having a spirit of power, love, and a sound mind. Establish kingdom reality on the earth by aligning and declaring it whenever contradictory circumstances present themselves.

You have been really helpful, brother, thank you. I have been reading through the Word and trying to be them, I have been trying to be a Stephen, a Paul, I've been trying, trying and trying and now I realize - which I have known it's just that this confusion has thrown me wobbly wonka that I'm Caleb and that God will work within me and that's it's not about me, it's about Jesus Christ and the work he has done in saving me. I should always look to Christ - in times of trouble or not and my mind should not be focused on the "trouble" instead on God's love and carrying out God's will by asking for his will to be established within me.

Thanks brother! I hope to hear more from you, you can add me as a friend on here as it seems like you have gone through the same things I have gone through. It is funny that while you're going through this, you think you're the only one until you read that and realize this happens to a majority of all young Christians who seek the Lord.

Thank you Lord, thank you Jesus! WOOOOO!

God bless! :cool:
 
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Any advice out there for me, a baby in our Lord Jesus Christ?

We are fed information from our five senses from the womb of what is good and evil and this becomes our perception of the truth, a process of time. If Jesus had this same perception he would have never calmed a raging sea with a word. Losing your soul has to do with your perception and without losing your soul (a process of time), you can not be one taught (disciple) of God, even as Jesus was taught, who also when through a process.

Joh_8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things ...

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The only way to win the game is not to play (eat).

Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

These words are no less true now then when they were first written.

Peter on the day of pentecost uttered scripture saying, This is that, that God would pour out his spirit upon all flesh.

Peter's measurement of the words "All flesh" that day according to his understanding, only included the jews.
 
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If the bible becomes a law in your heart . it can empower sin in your heart . so all things in moderation as the saying goes .

That doesn't seem to add up. The bible is good and holy. If we take the law only instead of all scripture then i might agree, but without scripture i would have been lead astray by false doctrine.





Ro 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
 
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One is not accountable to the law unless they willingly make themselves accountable . i personally am not accountable to the law . love is my motivation .

Yes, but the teaching of the the lord and NT apostles taught you what love is. And how do we know how to love God or others without meditating on his word/scriptures?

Without scripture there is only our own flawed understanding.
 
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I for one do not accept infinite power known as God in our meager understanding and language, can be wholly contained in a book.
The Bible was inspired by God to give the world an understanding that he exists and a guidepost to fellowship, a covenant in the new testament through Jesus.
However, Jesus time was thousands of years ago. And much of what was tradition then is just not tenable now.
If God is a living God and he is omnipresent as scripture says, God knows this world is not even remotely like that which Jesus lived in.

I use the Bible for instruction and guidance. However, I also know that in a personal relationship with the Lord, as he is said to speak to the hearts that turn to him, that the Bible is not the only way to know God's will. It is but one way. And when my God's kingdom is alive inside me, and the holy spirit guides, I believe it would be folly to think I must ignore that relationship and the wisdom that comes through it, so as to give priority exclusively to the Bible's scriptures for how I should stand in communication with my Lord.

I don't worship the Bible. That is idolatry. And furthermore, I don't believe God ever intended that to happen.
 
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