One's salvation can be lost

[janxharris]

2 Peter 2:20,21
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

 

[ChristianT]

2 Peter 2:20,21
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Wonderful. So please don't drop it!

 

[cygnusx1]

2 Peter 2:20,21
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Yeh dogs return to vomit , pigs return to mud , sheep do neither !

 

[Arcoe]

Wonderful. So please don't drop it!

This passage is very serious, and making this sort of remark is all you say?

 

[Arcoe]

Yeh dogs return to vomit , pigs return to mud , sheep do neither !

Then may I ask, who are 'they' who escape corruption and have known the way of righteousness?

Does this describe the unregenerate? They aren't as depraved as you make them out to be, are they?

 

[Arcoe]

2 Peter 2:20,21
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Thank you Janx. I have never seen a Calvinist explain this sufficiently in a way which agrees with their doctrine. But then again, the cleverness and slyness of man know no limits.

 

[nobdysfool]

Arcoe, can you do anything other than rag on Calvinists and Calvinism?

 

[dennis1777]

I have fallen countless times but keep getting up and heading in the Lord's footsteps. It is when I give up I may be lost. ???

 

[Hentenza]

2 Peter 2:20,21
If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Who are "they"?

 

[cygnusx1]

Then may I ask, who are 'they' who escape corruption and have known the way of righteousness?

Does this describe the unregenerate? They aren't as depraved as you make them out to be, are they?

Sure , outward change is always possible , that's why everlasting repentance has a qualifying term

 

[janxharris]

Who are "they"?

Why do you ask? The 'they' of verse 20:
'have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.'

2 Peter 3:17,18
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

 

[cygnusx1]

Still doesn't say salvation can be lost , even if I live to be a thousand you will never find one single verse mentioning salvation or saved in the same verse as an apostate

 

[janxharris]

Still doesn't say salvation can be lost , even if I live to be a thousand you will never find one single verse mentioning salvation or saved in the same verse as an apostate

Losing one's salvation would be a sad thing...why isn't that possible? These scriptures and others can certainly be interpreted to mean as much.

 

[cygnusx1]

Losing one's salvation would be a sad thing...why isn't that possible? These scriptures and others can certainly be interpreted to mean as much.

Well any scripture can be interpreted to teach anything , but the doctrine of eternal security is clearly taught in scripture over and over , what you are dealing with is outward reform , some get as far and no farther that's Lots wife !

 

[janxharris]

Well any scripture can be interpreted to teach anything , but the doctrine of eternal security is clearly taught in scripture over and over , what you are dealing with is outward reform , some get as far and no farther that's Lots wife !

I'm looking on the net for scriptures that teach eternal security but haven't found any so far. I'm not saying they don't exist...but would you post some examples please?

 

[Arcoe]

Arcoe, can you do anything other than rag on Calvinists and Calvinism?

You sir, will not get another response from me. Consider anything else I say as not pertaining to you.

 

[Arcoe]

Who are "they"?

Who has escaped the corruption of the world, knowing Jesus? This can only be the regenerate. The unregenerate haven't escaped this corruption, and certainly do not know Jesus.

 

[Arcoe]

Still doesn't say salvation can be lost , even if I live to be a thousand you will never find one single verse mentioning salvation or saved in the same verse as an apostate

And you will never find elect and salvation in the same verse.

 

[DeaconDean]

Well any scripture can be interpreted to teach anything , but the doctrine of eternal security is clearly taught in scripture over and over , what you are dealing with is outward reform , some get as far and no farther that's Lots wife !

"I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee," -Isa. 42:6 (KJV)

If God is able to make this promise regarding the Savior, why can't we have this same promise?

I guess this:

"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope." -Rom. 15:4 (KJV)

Is meaningless.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[cygnusx1]

And you will never find elect and salvation in the same verse.

Why lie ?


Thessalonians 2:13 concerning these same believers in Jesus Christ: "But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation ...."