if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing.

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I wonder if this applies also to "The Lord's Day" which is held by many as the "Christian Sabbath".

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.:thumbsup:
 
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Matthew 5:18-19

King James Version (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So, you disagree when the passage is applied to the 7th day Sabbath observance but do you agree with it is applied to circumcision?

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(Galatians 5:1-4)
 
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But you are not a Seventh Day Adventist are you?

nope, however you can see spiritual truth in that belief system they have.




Rom 14:1-6 (YLT)
And him who is weak in the faith receive ye--not to determinations of reasonings; one doth believe that he may eat all things--and he who is weak doth eat herbs; let not him who is eating despise him who is not eating: and let not him who is not eating judge him who is eating, for God did receive him. Thou--who art thou that art judging another's domestic? to his own master he doth stand or fall; and he shall be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. One doth judge one day above another, and another doth judge every day alike ; let each in his own mind be fully assured. He who is regarding the day, to the Lord he doth regard it , and he who is not regarding the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it . He who is eating, to the Lord he doth eat, for he doth give thanks to God; and he who is not eating, to the Lord he doth not eat, and doth give thanks to God.


with all this it still shows that some are weak in faith and only eat herbs and milk. I don't despise any but it would be wonderful if they also tasted meat. wanna be strong? cast off every weight and cling to Christ. eat some meat, it is required for those who are wanting to be athletes. if not, you stand well, Christ makes you stand. but the new testament displays a progression of spiritual growth and most Christians ignore it and claim everything at once even though they do not have everything due to never maturing in Christ.
 
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So, you disagree when the passage is applied to the 7th day Sabbath observance but do you agree with it is applied to circumcision?
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(Galatians 5:1-4)

The sabbaths were given as a sign, just as the circumcision of the flesh was also given as a sign/token of greater spiritual things. The flesh of the law was fulfilled for us in Jesus, but the Spirit of the law shall also be fulfilled in those who are truly in Christ.

We who are born of Him shall enter into His rest.:thumbsup:
 
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I wonder if this applies also to "The Lord's Day" which is held by many as the "Christian Sabbath".

Sunday is the "Lord's Day", the day of the resurrection. Calling it the Christian Sabbath would be to ignore that the Sabbath is Saturday, the seventh day of the week, which was a shadow of Sunday.

I would think it best, for explaination purposes, not to call Sunday the Sabbath, but rather explain the relationship. Though I do understand what the phrase intends.

The Christian Theology is that we have laid with Christ in the grave on the Sabbath when we are baptised. Thus fulfilling the Sabbath (keeping it Holy) and being freed from it upon the resurrection of Christ on Sunday.

...the person being baptized is cleansed of all sins and is united to Christ; through the waters of baptism he or she is mysteriously crucified and buried with Christ, and is raised with him to newness of life, having "put on" Christ (that is, having been clothed in Christ).

Are we really so unfamiliar with baptism?

Just trying to be helpful.

God be gracious to me a sinner.
 
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The sabbaths were given as a sign, just as the circumcision of the flesh was also given as a sign/token of greater spiritual things. The flesh of the law was fulfilled for us in Jesus, but the Spirit of the law shall also be fulfilled in those who are truly in Christ.

We who are born of Him shall enter into His rest.:thumbsup:

So, you do not disagree with the Original Post then? You were just confused when you indicated that you did?
 
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Sunday is the "Lord's Day", the day of the resurrection. Calling it the Christian Sabbath would be to ignore that the Sabbath is Saturday, the seventh day of the week, which was a shadow of Sunday.

I still can't wrap my head around how anyone sees the sabbath as a "Shadow" of Sunday. But I don't wish to argue that. Just saying.

I would think it best, for explaination purposes, not to call Sunday the Sabbath, but rather explain the relationship. Though I do understand what the phrase intends.

Perhaps it would be. I'm just speaking from what I've heard others say. Many a person advocates keeping the sabbath, but in their mind, they're thinking about Sunday.

The Christian Theology is that we have laid with Christ in the grave on the Sabbath when we are baptised. Thus fulfilling the Sabbath (keeping it Holy) and being freed from it upon the resurrection of Christ on Sunday.

Is that how that works? So when Christ was baptised by John, was He freed from the Sabbath?

Are we really so unfamiliar with baptism?

Just trying to be helpful.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Baptism has little to do with the sabbath, and much to do with the death of the old man, the washing away of sins, and the newness of life we rise to walk in.
 
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So, you do not disagree with the Original Post then? You were just confused when you indicated that you did?
No, I was not confused, but I do disagree with those who judge others by what day of the week they wish to worship God.

James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

James 4:12
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Frankly most people (being yet carnal) do not understand what the Spirit of the law is truly saying.
 
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Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

(Galatians 5:1-4)

The above scripture carries a message that is true; everybody who seeks to be justified by obeying the law has fallen from grace. This applies just as much to the one who seeks to gain God's favour by observing the 7th day as Sabbath in the belief that by so doing he/she shows themselves to be loyal followers of God and among those who "keep the commandments". One cannot be justified by works of the law.

Paul also says

Romans 14:5-6
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
 
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No, I was not confused, but I do disagree with those who judge others by what day of the week they wish to worship God.

James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

James 4:12
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Frankly most people (being yet carnal) do not understand what the Spirit of the law is truly saying.

Personally, I don't see any difference between Judaizers and those who would like to forbid Christians from keeping the Sabbath, Feasts etc. Both sides are equally going against the LORD by their false teachings...
 
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The sabbaths were given as a sign,<snip>

Most certainly it was. Now if only the bible told us what the sign was...

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Oh lookie there ;):cool:
 
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I wonder if Christ avails you any if you must go to confession, or if you must partake in the Eucharist.

Even better, I wonder if Christ avails you any if you must honor your parents, or if you must be honest.

Just wondering.

And thats a good point for both sides of the arguement. Can you truly force someone to love you? And if you go through the outward motions of the law, but your heart is not in it, what does it profit?

The outward motions profit nothing if it is not done in the Spirit of Truth, and in the sincerity of Love.:)
 
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