Why Obamacare is the best thing that's happened to this country in years

[MKJ]

Join the club. Whatever happened to doing the best solution possible, no matter if it was conservative or liberal?

It's the difference between values politics and compromise politics.

There was a time when people on different sides of the political fence saw themselves as part of the same team, and that the two sides were meant to work together to create solutions. They both had a role to play to create a good society.

But when you think like that, you have to respect the other side, and you have to have common values.

What the political partisan types discovered is that if you paint the other sides values as being actually evil and totally different, you can get some really hard-core support and money for your own side. Because then defeating them politically is a matter of life and death and the end of the country as we know it. So instead of looking to actually get work done, discuss policy, make laws, they went to work painting the other side as demons and finding wedge issues to promote.

Ultimately though this has actually undermined the entire political system, and will probably make it unworkable in the end.

I suspect republics are especially prone to this, because so much of your system is politicized. There doesn't seem to really be an aspect of the state that people can identify with that is not associated with a partisan representative.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It's the difference between values politics and compromise politics.

There was a time when people on different sides of the political fence saw themselves as part of the same team, and that the two sides were meant to work together to create solutions. They both had a role to play to create a good society.

But when you think like that, you have to respect the other side, and you have to have common values.

What the political partisan types discovered is that if you paint the other sides values as being actually evil and totally different, you can get some really hard-core support and money for your own side. Because then defeating them politically is a matter of life and death and the end of the country as we know it. So instead of looking to actually get work done, discuss policy, make laws, they went to work painting the other side as demons and finding wedge issues to promote.

Ultimately though this has actually undermined the entire political system, and will probably make it unworkable in the end.

I suspect republics are especially prone to this, because so much of your system is politicized. There doesn't seem to really be an aspect of the state that people can identify with that is not associated with a partisan representative.

Life and death is correct. Canada just killed over 400 babies that were born alive and treat it, "as nothing." It seems that the USA is headed down this same road of Evil, where life has no value until it can make money for someone. And, then, only will they be allowed to live if by their living they produce, otherwise they are worth more dead. Canada is a great example.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | 491 babies born alive after failed abortions, left to die: Statistics Canada confirms

 

[Lady Bug]

before we say that it's the best thing, why don't we let it get implemented first, and then we can come back to this thread and see if we like it or not?

 

[MKJ]

Life and death is correct. Canada just killed over 400 babies that were born alive and treat it, "as nothing." It seems that the USA is headed down this same road of Evil, where life has no value until it can make money for someone. And, then, only will they be allowed to live if by their living they produce, otherwise they are worth more dead. Canada is a great example.

LifeSiteNews Mobile | 491 babies born alive after failed abortions, left to die: Statistics Canada confirms

And if you read the other thread on that particular article, you can see why most people don't trust anything from Life Site News.

But that is pretty off topic. Do you have anything useful or interesting to say about the polarization of politics in the US?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

And if you read the other thread on that particular article, you can see why most people don't trust anything from Life Site News.

But that is pretty off topic. Do you have anything useful or interesting to say about the polarization of politics in the US?

Nothing off topic about my post, for a Catholic posting in regards to Obamacare and the comparison of failed systems, like Canada, that is worse than the USA, but long down the road that Obama is taking the USA with his HHS Mandate from August.

You should try to read more about the 573 Catholic Hospitals that will be directly affected by the HHS Mandate. Or, the largest charity in the USA, the Catholic Charities, that are directly attacked by the HHS Mandate. Not to mention the Catholic Universities and many secular groups and businesses that are deeply affected by the debacle, which is coined "Obamacare."

I would think Christians in Canada would be strong in their Faith and protecting babies, like the close to 500 that were recently reported as being killed after being born. Don't you find that very similar to how people sacrificed babies to Baal? As a Catholic, I do.

 

[Fantine]

There are so many court cases coming up the pike that the Supreme Court will probably knock the mandate out in a 5-4 decision that Roberts will probably be the swing vote for.

And thank goodness for that. Women don't need insurance to buy birth control. College kids can get it from campus health. A gay teenager told me that kids can go to the health department here in the Bible Belt and get 100 condoms at a time.

According to this Wal-Mart sells birth control for $9 a month.

Fertility and prescription birth control will also be included at $9, compared to national average prices ranging from $24 to $30 per month and saving women an estimated $15 to $21 per month – $180 to $250 annually.

Walmart Corporate - Walmart Launches Phase Two Of Prescription Program With New $4 Medications And Increased Savings

So for heavens sake, if women want birth control, let them pay $9 a month and let's get to the important issues facing this country.

 

[MKJ]

Nothing off topic about my post, for a Catholic posting in regards to Obamacare and the comparison of failed systems, like Canada, that is worse than the USA, but long down the road that Obama is taking the USA with his HHS Mandate from August.

You should try to read more about the 573 Catholic Hospitals that will be directly affected by the HHS Mandate. Or, the largest charity in the USA, the Catholic Charities, that are directly attacked by the HHS Mandate. Not to mention the Catholic Universities and many secular groups and businesses that are deeply affected by the debacle, which is coined "Obamacare."

I would think Christians in Canada would be strong in their Faith and protecting babies, like the close to 500 that were recently reported as being killed after being born. Don't you find that very similar to how people sacrificed babies to Baal? As a Catholic, I do.

No such thing was reported - you are even exaggerating LSN exaggerations, which is an impressive feat.

I can't take you seriously if you keep promoting false propaganda.