Franklin Graham: God May Have to Cause "A Complete Economic Collapse" to Save Nation

[Johnboy60]

Some conservatives are having a tough time with President Barack Obama's reelection. Take social conservative leader Franklin Graham. In an interview with Newsmax.com, the Rev. Graham, a prominent evangelist and son of top-dog evangelist Billy Graham, maintained that Obama's victory will put the country further along a "path of destruction." And he suggested it would take a "complete economic collapse" to place the United States on a better course and return it to godliness.

Franklin Graham: God May Have to Cause "A Complete Economic Collapse" to Save Nation From Obama | Mother Jones

 

[Illuminaughty]

Obama derangement syndrome. It looks like he wants his own countries economy to collapse just to illustrate the point that Obama is evil. Then he can say "you got what you deserved I warned you about him."

 

[marshlewis]

what happens if incompetent government causes a complete economic collapse before god. will that count.

 

[MrJim]

I'm not persuaded God is interested in "saving" nations as we currently define them but rather people for His church from all nations. Plenty of economically wrecked nations out there anyhow now...is that for the purpose of God saving their nation?

 

[marshlewis]

I'm not persuaded God is interested in "saving" nations as we currently define them but rather people for His church from all nations. Plenty of economically wrecked nations out there anyhow now...is that for the purpose of God saving their nation?

or it could be the result of some sin or another rather than a means to an end.

 

[MrJim]

or it could be the result of some sin or another rather than a means to an end.

Yes indeed..the "Christian America" thing is bigger than the Church with many.

 

[LuminousPhoenix]

The American economy is on the path to collapse now that Obama has been re-elected. However, Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it, either. The American economy is too far gone. Federal deficits will destroy the dollar before another decade is up. Maybe even by another five years or sooner. Re-electing Barry just means we will probably get there sooner...
The re-election of Barack Obama just shows that the people of the United States are completely clueless as to how poorly the economy is actually doing. Ron Paul or Gary Johnson would have been the only politicians who stood a chance of saving this country from itself, but Americans have shown that they are unwilling to make the hard sacrifices in terms of deep cuts in Federal spending needed to save this country. Americans want endless government subsidies and services, but seem to be content with not having a way to pay for them. The party will end soon, just as it is ending for the EU. So yes, perhaps the impending economic collapse is the way God will finally judge America for its irresponsibility, and selfishness.

 

[tulc]

Franklin Graham has already demonstrated he's willing to throw his dad and his dad's ministry under the bus to try and play kingmaker.
tulc(sometimes there's not enough coffee in the world)

 

[Desk trauma]

Billy Graham has said one of his few regrets is getting mixed up in politics and if he had it over again he would have suck strictly to his evangelistic work. I suppose Frankie is too busy using dear old dad as a prop to listen to him.

 

[rocklife]

Some conservatives are having a tough time with President Barack Obama's reelection. Take social conservative leader Franklin Graham. In an interview with Newsmax.com, the Rev. Graham, a prominent evangelist and son of top-dog evangelist Billy Graham, maintained that Obama's victory will put the country further along a "path of destruction." And he suggested it would take a "complete economic collapse" to place the United States on a better course and return it to godliness.

Franklin Graham: God May Have to Cause "A Complete Economic Collapse" to Save Nation From Obama | Mother Jones

He does better when he just focuses on doing good works, when Franklin talks about politics, he just makes himself seem so out of touch. I was born in Japan, a totally unchristian nation that has thousands of years of history and have no problem to not acknowledge Jesus, along with many other countries. I don't think the leaders have to be godly and we need "complete economic collapse" in order to continue the mission work to spread Jesus' message. Just do it, be the change. His comments are unnecessarily alarmist, but I like his Operation Shoebox and other good works.

 

[bck36g4as]

This is my first post, hopefully it doesn't get me in trouble.

What does it say about a God that indiscriminately wants everyone and everything 'saved' despite them repeatedly doing everything they can to get away from Him/not be 'saved' for as long as possible? Everything wrong that you can imagine is done, yet He still wants them back, wants them to succeed, and wants them to do good.

Sounds like the same 'God' that would call a man with 700 wives a 'wise' 'man' (that's purposely two quotes), and not only a 'wise' 'man', but the 'wisest man who ever lived,' where in another passage in the very same book he calls those who have pre-marital sex (and what this man did was far, far, disturbingly worse) fools.

This religion seems senseless in that anyone who actually follows the beliefs in it is punished in that he has to live in the same solar system even with these people, while those that do not follow these beliefs, are not only eagerly desired, but rewarded (see the prodigal son passage in the Bible -- it reeks of such turpidity and baseness that even living in the most sick and morally perverted, corrupt and outright debaucherous 'country' in the world, this is still lower as it's essentially telling people that not only did the few who did right and suffered severely for it, get nothing, but those that did everything wrong, are rewarded, and then those that did right are told you had the 'reward' [whatever that was supposed to be] all along -- sounds like a particularly demented psychopath to me).

Can anything truly good be anticipated from such a 'God'? Why call Him 'God' if he only punishes what is good in the world by 1. letting them tolerate living by the bad side-by-side 2. then rewarding those who did bad.

It's a religion of contradictions if this is the case, and this is what it more than looks like, it's what I believe to be the case at this point --

The collapse of the US economy and the massive problems that follow suit, which should have happened decades ago, is less than a slap on the wrist in comparison for what just about everyone in this country rightfully deserves.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

The American economy is on the path to collapse now that Obama has been re-elected. However, Romney wouldn't have been able to stop it, either. The American economy is too far gone. Federal deficits will destroy the dollar before another decade is up. Maybe even by another five years or sooner. Re-electing Barry just means we will probably get there sooner...
The re-election of Barack Obama just shows that the people of the United States are completely clueless as to how poorly the economy is actually doing. Ron Paul or Gary Johnson would have been the only politicians who stood a chance of saving this country from itself, but Americans have shown that they are unwilling to make the hard sacrifices in terms of deep cuts in Federal spending needed to save this country. Americans want endless government subsidies and services, but seem to be content with not having a way to pay for them. The party will end soon, just as it is ending for the EU. So yes, perhaps the impending economic collapse is the way God will finally judge America for its irresponsibility, and selfishness.

Seems awfully hit and miss to me. You'd think the God of the universe would be capable of punishing the guilty specifically, rather than, you know, everyone

 

[Living in the Light]

What would an economic collapse look like? No food in the stores? No electricity? No gas to power our cars? Violence and mayhem? Our faith will save us just as the Israelites received manna from heaven after the Exodus. Would it be hard, uncomfortable, and painful? Yes, if you place all of your allegiance to mammon (money). I do not waste a lot of time worrying about how I will survive. My treasures are with my Lord Jesus.

 

[marshlewis]

This is my first post, hopefully it doesn't get me in trouble.

What does it say about a God that indiscriminately wants everyone and everything 'saved' despite them repeatedly doing everything they can to get away from Him/not be 'saved' for as long as possible? Everything wrong that you can imagine is done, yet He still wants them back, wants them to succeed, and wants them to do good.

Sounds like the same 'God' that would call a man with 700 wives a 'wise' 'man' (that's purposely two quotes), and not only a 'wise' 'man', but the 'wisest man who ever lived,' where in another passage in the very same book he calls those who have pre-marital sex (and what this man did was far, far, disturbingly worse) fools.

This religion seems senseless in that anyone who actually follows the beliefs in it is punished in that he has to live in the same solar system even with these people, while those that do not follow these beliefs, are not only eagerly desired, but rewarded (see the prodigal son passage in the Bible -- it reeks of such turpidity and baseness that even living in the most sick and morally perverted, corrupt and outright debaucherous 'country' in the world, this is still lower as it's essentially telling people that not only did the few who did right and suffered severely for it, get nothing, but those that did everything wrong, are rewarded, and then those that did right are told you had the 'reward' [whatever that was supposed to be] all along -- sounds like a particularly demented psychopath to me).

Can anything truly good be anticipated from such a 'God'? Why call Him 'God' if he only punishes what is good in the world by 1. letting them tolerate living by the bad side-by-side 2. then rewarding those who did bad.

It's a religion of contradictions if this is the case, and this is what it more than looks like, it's what I believe to be the case at this point --

The collapse of the US economy and the massive problems that follow suit, which should have happened decades ago, is less than a slap on the wrist in comparison for what just about everyone in this country rightfully deserves.

It sounds like your balancing between atheism and fundamentalism.

 

[LuminousPhoenix]

This is my first post, hopefully it doesn't get me in trouble.

What does it say about a God that indiscriminately wants everyone and everything 'saved' despite them repeatedly doing everything they can to get away from Him/not be 'saved' for as long as possible? Everything wrong that you can imagine is done, yet He still wants them back, wants them to succeed, and wants them to do good.

Sounds like the same 'God' that would call a man with 700 wives a 'wise' 'man' (that's purposely two quotes), and not only a 'wise' 'man', but the 'wisest man who ever lived,' where in another passage in the very same book he calls those who have pre-marital sex (and what this man did was far, far, disturbingly worse) fools.

This religion seems senseless in that anyone who actually follows the beliefs in it is punished in that he has to live in the same solar system even with these people, while those that do not follow these beliefs, are not only eagerly desired, but rewarded (see the prodigal son passage in the Bible -- it reeks of such turpidity and baseness that even living in the most sick and morally perverted, corrupt and outright debaucherous 'country' in the world, this is still lower as it's essentially telling people that not only did the few who did right and suffered severely for it, get nothing, but those that did everything wrong, are rewarded, and then those that did right are told you had the 'reward' [whatever that was supposed to be] all along -- sounds like a particularly demented psychopath to me).

Can anything truly good be anticipated from such a 'God'? Why call Him 'God' if he only punishes what is good in the world by 1. letting them tolerate living by the bad side-by-side 2. then rewarding those who did bad.

It's a religion of contradictions if this is the case, and this is what it more than looks like, it's what I believe to be the case at this point --

The collapse of the US economy and the massive problems that follow suit, which should have happened decades ago, is less than a slap on the wrist in comparison for what just about everyone in this country rightfully deserves.

You bring up some good discussion points, but I think you'd be better off asking these things on a different forum, as your post is a bit off topic here.

What would an economic collapse look like? No food in the stores? No electricity? No gas to power our cars? Violence and mayhem? Our faith will save us just as the Israelites received manna from heaven after the Exodus. Would it be hard, uncomfortable, and painful? Yes, if you place all of your allegiance to mammon (money). I do not waste a lot of time worrying about how I will survive. My treasures are with my Lord Jesus.

Well said, the Lord will provide for us, just as He always has. Perhaps an economic collapse would even be a good thing for America - it could wake people from their love affair with money and materialism. Nevertheless, it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep a few extra bags of rice, beans, and other foods with a long shelf life around. In the event of an economic collapse, food and potable water supply could be temporarily disrupted.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

I do not waste a lot of time worrying about how I will survive. My treasures are with my Lord Jesus.

Right

 

[marshlewis]

Right

Um... na nothing. forget I said anything.

 

[cow451]

Billy Graham has said one of his few regrets is getting mixed up in politics and if he had it over again he would have suck strictly to his evangelistic work. I suppose Frankie is too busy using dear old dad as a prop to listen to him.