What are your feelings on American christianty compared to other places?

What are your feelings on American christianty compared to other places?

  • America is the BEST. We are perfect!

  • America is pretty good, not to many issues.

  • America is somewhere in the middle.

  • America has gone down hill.

  • America is has just become terrible!

  • Other..... (explain)


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seashale76

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you guys voted for him a second time and failed a serious IQ test. Now you will see what he's all about. Watch the employment, deficit, civil movements, foreign policy, the whole kit and kaboo

you can't judge a leader based on how nice he was and how well a discussion went when he was a law professor. It's too bad it will cost lives and trillions of dollars to understand that.

Who are you guys who voted for him? I didn't vote for him either time, genius. I don't like his politics. However, I don't think he's a terrible person akin to the anti-Christ either.
 
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Okay. :dontcare: You do realize that the US has a population of over 300 million people, don't you? Not all of us voted for Obama. Not even most of us voted for him. Blanket generalizations aren't helping your argument here.
 
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TheDag

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We live in a world where 80% of the American population is like sheep being led to the slaughter.
I take it this statement is an acknowledgment that your claim was false and that you can't support it. Any chance you can be a man and say I got it wrong? Sure he might make some bad decisions just like any leader can but that is not the same as swearing revenge on American citizens.
 
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It's interesting to read the differing opinions about the founding fathers of the USA and Christianity. One might argue that early government leaders were Christian in name only, but there certainly was a lot more Christianity intertwined with government back then.

Can you imagine what would happen if President Obama and the Senate made this proclamation?

"Whereas the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the supreme authority and just government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and of nations, has by a resolution requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation"

Well, Abraham Lincoln did just that in 1863, and of course it went through. I'm not sure what would be more appalling to Americans today - recognizing God's authority, or that our "proud" nation should humble itself.

Yes, the USA is in a bad place, but it probably was back then too. Here's another part of Lincoln's proclamation:

"But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."

Sound familiar? 150 years later, we're in exactly the same situation.

The rest of "Proclamation 97 - Appointing a Day of National Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer" can be seen here:

Abraham Lincoln: Proclamation 97 - Appointing a Day of National Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer
 
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It's interesting to read the differing opinions about the founding fathers of the USA and Christianity. One might argue that early government leaders were Christian in name only, but there certainly was a lot more Christianity intertwined with government back then.

Can you imagine what would happen if President Obama and the Senate made this proclamation?

"Whereas the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the supreme authority and just government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and of nations, has by a resolution requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation"

Well, Abraham Lincoln did just that in 1863, and of course it went through. I'm not sure what would be more appalling to Americans today - recognizing God's authority, or that our "proud" nation should humble itself.

Yes, the USA is in a bad place, but it probably was back then too. Here's another part of Lincoln's proclamation:

"But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."

Sound familiar? 150 years later, we're in exactly the same situation.

The rest of "Proclamation 97 - Appointing a Day of National Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer" can be seen here:

Abraham Lincoln: Proclamation 97 - Appointing a Day of National Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer

I think we are in the same place because America is not a Christian nation. It is a nation of freedoms and capitalism. Economically America breeds corruption, classism, racism and a man made condition called poverty. Politically the chase for power leads to owing of favors, bedding cooperations and manipulating the government, but that is the nature of politics.

I think when American Christians educate themselves on what politics really are then maybe we have a chance to be a blessed nation.

Sometimesamericans act like we are Israel and we are not. America is another immoral country full of sin like the rest of the nation.
 
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I take it this statement is an acknowledgment that your claim was false and that you can't support it. Any chance you can be a man and say I got it wrong? Sure he might make some bad decisions just like any leader can but that is not the same as swearing revenge on American citizens.

it's like explaining to a sheep that he is being led to a slaughter. No one can open what God has shut and what he has closed, no one can open.
 
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But it wasn't always immoral and corrupt, statistics attest to that. It has gotten much worse over the past 50 years, with many epidemics in the 60's, removal of school prayer, STD's, abortions, teenage pregnancies

The goal shouldn't be to educate American Christians on politics, it should be to educate them on the bible. Politics is childs play to the people of God. All over the Old Testament God placed his people into positions of power in all kinds of countries. There are stories of gentiles too, like Job. I believe that a person who has a true biblical world view sees the path forward very clearly whereas the world is very muddled.

for example, most of the population seems to think debt is an ok thing and probably a good thing now. The bible says the opposite. Separating yourself from this culture is simple but not easy.
 
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