A lot of the rhetoric around here about the state of American politics seems to bemoan the fact that the US is a secular state with freedom to have your own religious and moral views.
I am wondering who here would support a theocracy and why.
the·oc·ra·cy (th-kr-s)
n. pl. the·oc·ra·cies
1. A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.
2. A state so governed.
Personally, although I support the concept of theocracy, I am only for it when Christ returns/rules directly since that is what the scriptures speak of on His kingdom and things no longer being like OT Israel in it having a King with God's approval and God directing the nation. Every attempt to have theocracies by force has always failed - although
the Byzantine Empire stands out in the great success it had for centuries as a truly Christian nation.
The constitution of the Byzantine Empire was based on the conviction that it was the earthly copy of the Kingdom of Heaven. Just as God ruled in Heaven, so the Emperor, made in his image, should rule on earth and carry out his commandments. This was the theory, but in practice the state was never free from its Roman past, particularly the
Roman law, and its heritage of Greek culture.
Sir Steven Runciman's Weil lectures trace the various ways in which the Emperor tried to put the theory into practice - and thus the changing relationship between church and state - from the days of the first Constantine to those of the eleventh. The theocratic constitution remained virtually unchanged during those eleven centuries. No other constitution in the Christian era has endured for so long...and their work in philanthropy/looking out for others has been truly amazing (more shared
here and
here).
For more, one can go
here,
here or here:
Others disagree, of course, in saying the Byzantine Empire was a theocracy and they have many good points - more shared here in
Was the Byzantine State a Theocracy? : OMHKSEA.
With America, many think that those talking on "Seperation of Church and State" when saying it shouldn't be just Christians running things are simply trying to deny the "Christian" heritage that the U.S had...and thus, for them, it is paramount that we should fight to "take back America for God" and make the nation a Christian one. However, seperation of Church and State was never about the Church being unable to make laws, although it does mean there's not to be a enforced State religion placed on others. For good discussion on the issue, one may wish to consider investigating the thread entitled
Politicizing the Gospel. The amount of times people quote "Seperation of Church and State" to hound Christians is wild, especially when seeing that the actual statement/phrase parroted by people was never intended to mean that those who are religious cannot shape the laws/be in government.
The entire issue of Seperation of Church/State, as stated by Jefferson, was to ensure that the government did not go about trying to establish a Church--a STATE Church, as it was back in England when the Church was effectively an arm of the government. As said
best elsewhere (
here and
here):
The First Amendment says more about federalism than religious freedom. In other words, the purpose of the First Amendment was to declare that the federal government had absolutely no jurisdiction in matters of religion. It could neither establish a religion, nor prohibit the free exercise of religion. The FirstAmendment clearly erected a barrier between the federal government and religion on a state level. If a state chose to have no religion, or to have an established religion, the federal government had no jurisdiction one way or the other. This is what Thomas Jefferson meant by the "wall of separation." In context, the word "state" really referred to the federal government. The First Amendment did not apply to the states. It was only applicable as a restraint against the federal government.....Jefferson used the phrase "wall of separation between church and state" as a means of expressing his republican view that the federal or general government should not interfere with religious matters among the several states. In its proper context, the phrase represents a clear expression of state autonomy. Accordingly, Jefferson saw no contradiction in authoring a religious proclamation to be used by state officials and refusing to issue similar religious proclamations as president of the United States. His wall had less to do with the separation of church and all civil government than with the separation of federal and state governments. .......The "wall of separation between church and state" phrase as understood by Jefferson was never meant to exclude people of faith from influencing and shaping government. Jefferson would be shocked to learn that his letter has been used as a weapon against religion. He would never countenance such shabby and distorted use of history.
George Washington (First President of the United States of America.)
"Every man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshiping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."May 1789
Thomas Jefferson (Third President of the United States of America)
"Almighty God hath created the mind free; all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments of burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in His almighty power to do." Acts for Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia, 1785 "I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, disciplines or exercises." Words of Thomas Jefferson, Vol 5, pg 236
Going to a very conservative Christian highschool, I'm very glad for excellent reads I had to study on the matter in highschool such as Original Intent: The Courts, the Constitution, and Religion ....The founding fathers were always for the concept of allowing others freedom of religion, as opposed to what has been discussed by many against Christians shaping laws when it comes to how they think the Constitution was about freedom FROM religion. What the founding fathers were never for having was a STATE/Government Church where all must conform to it or perish like it was in England when the CHurch had the Queen (or King) of England as its head--a reason that caused the pilgrims to flee from there when their religion was persecuted/they themselves had to find sanctuary.
For those saying they're not religious and simply dislike religious people leading things, there's no escaping the fact that secular humanism is by definition a religion---with man at the center---and thus, as secularized as the nation has gotten and secular humanistic perspectives have been a dominant worldview that many laws are based on, the reality is that it (the nation) has never stopped being religious.
With Secular Humanism becoming more of the dominant viewpoint, IMHO, it is ironic to see the ways that they may say "Seperation of Church/State" exclusively toward anything of Christianity having influence and say they're simply trying to protect others from having their religious views disrespected----yet if they are spoken against and people say the state should be involved to help have their viewpoints heard above Secular Humanism, they get irrate. I'm not saying you're doing this, to be clear...but simply mentioning that to bring home the point that the "seperation of Church and State" is often not applied consistently when it comes to law.
Of course, there's the other present danger that got many to react so violently to anything is when people also do the silliness (IMHO) of trying to "take back America for God!!!"--never realizing that in many ways the U.S has NEVER been a Christian nation by Biblical definition...and when people within politics try to make the nation akin to a theocracy and never realize where it was never meant to be that, one must take issue. In light of how many of the founding Fathers were themselves Diests while others were "Christian" in the sense of being religious/believing that God was active in his working with the world, they never were trying to make a Christian nation (as seen
here ,
here,
here and
here and
here)--and I have to take that seriously. Gregory Boyd discussed some of that in his book
"The Myth of a Christian Nation" when sharing the difference between getting involved politically to help others in the name of the Gospel...and having involvement under the belief that the nation was once "Christian"/trying to convert it to Christ instead of seeing it's roots.
While America did not have a Christian Founding in the sense of creating a theocracy, its Founding was deeply shaped by Christian moral truths. More important, it created a regime that was hospitable to Christians, but also to practitioners of other religions.
Mark David Hall, Ph.D. said it best in his article entitled
Did America Have a Christian Founding?. It seems that with there being a "Christian" nation dynamic, what can be confused in terms is "Christian principles."