Zimmerman Prosecutor Files Gag Order Against Defense

[DrkSdBls]

Stalking is a legal term. Threatening is a legal term. Z didn't commit either crime. (Unless you're withholding evidence no one else knows about? Where were you on the night in question?

Zimmerman "Stalked" Martin by his own Admission. "Threaten" is not a Legal Term but rather Implicit given the Circumstance.

And under your morbid scenario you concocted here, that grants him every right to get shot. Dead.

Guess what? Decent people would've found a way for the 2 of them to get Martin to his ... abode / visitation, with Z seeing him enter lawfully. It's called "co-operation." I know that's a foreign concept here on the society pages, but you should try it sometime!

Since you clearly demonstrated you have no Concept or Respect of Law and clearly just Baiting now, I won't even dignified that.

The Judge has brought down his gavel - next case!?

Not yet but he will. And here's hoping he Zimmerman gets a Big Black Cell Mate with with a Taste for Child Killers.

 

[DrkSdBls]

I for one, have never been in Martin's position which was astride Zimmerman pounding his head into the ground telling him that he was going to die.

Says the Killer.

The gashes to Zimmerman's head and his other injuries are indeed evidence of a fight

He had a Scratch on his head. Evidence of a Struggle, such as when Zimmerman pulled his gun on Martin and Martin tackled Zimmerman trying to Wrestle the Gun away.

The autopsy did not indicate that at all

The released autopsy, yes. But, like I said, the reason the Case was sealed indicates that the there is more Information somewhere that the the Judge does not want released because he doesn't want to Prejudice the Jury. I was only being Hypothetical.

The gag order is because the parents of the dead assailant don't want people to know of Martin's drug and other criminal behavior.

Won't Dignify that with an answer either. You can't claim Evidence that you don't know is true.

 

[MachZer0]

Zimmerman "Stalked" Martin by his own Admission.

Never happened

 

[DrkSdBls]

Perspective/perception make a huge difference. Let’s say you walk up to somebody and slap him in the face and he turns around and decides to try to use deadly force against you. Because you provoked that situation, under the law you don’t have a right to stand your ground, but under preexisting law, if you get backed into a corner, where you cannot retreat anymore, you still have a right to defend yourself, and use deadly force doing it. That issue – whether Zimmerman acted in self-defense – will be heard at a “stand your ground” mini-trial. If Nelson rules for Zimmerman at that hearing, charges would be dropped, and Zimmerman would be immune from a civil lawsuit. As with the previous judge, Nelson will be under pressure to rule against “stand your ground” immunity and instead send the case to a jury. Some community leaders have raised concerns about social unrest should Zimmerman be deemed not guilty.

Yes, and that's why this "Stand your ground" Law has been a Disaster.

I Live in Florida, 10 mins from Sanford and I even Worked in that same Housing Development (I wasn't working that night) So I think I have a little right to feel a little connected to this matter.

But that aside, this was a Travesty of Justice simply because of the Fact that Zimmerman believed that he had a Right to put himself and Martin in this position in the first place, all because of this stupid Law and Zimmerman's taking the law into his own hands.

If any good comes out of this, It'll be that Law gets over-turned.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Never happened

stalk
(used without object)
1.to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.
2.to walk with measured, stiff, or haughty strides:
3.to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner: too pursue
4.Obsolete . to walk or go stealthily along.

 

[MachZer0]

stalk
(used without object)
1.to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.
2.to walk with measured, stiff, or haughty strides:
3.to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:
4.Obsolete . to walk or go stealthily along.

Zimmerman admitted to none of that

 

[DrkSdBls]

Zimmerman admitted to none of that

Next you'll be telling me he says he didn't shoot Martin either.

He Followed Martin. He pursued him in his Vehicle and then got out and Followed him on Foot (after the Police dispatch told him not to) - per his own testimony.

Either way, I'm done arguing with you. You're not saying anything that 2 mins reading the transcripts could debunk so you're just trying to agitate and I'm through with you.

 

[MachZer0]

Next you'll be telling me he says he didn't shoot Martin either.

He Followed Martin. He pursued him in his Vehicle and then got out and Followed him on Foot (after the Police dispatch told him not to) - per his own testimony.

Either way, I'm done arguing with you. You're not saying anything that 2 mins reading the transcripts could debunk so you're just trying to agitate and I'm through with you.

Dispatcher: We don't need you to do that [follow Martin]

Zimmerman: OK

 

[razeontherock]

Zimmerman "Stalked" Martin by his own Admission. "Threaten" is not a Legal Term but rather Implicit given the Circumstance.

Threatening is not only a legal term but a FELONY! You're planning on prosecuting Z for it? Oh and I'd like to see Z's admission of stalking Martin

No not yet but he will. And here's hoping he Zimmerman gets a Big Black Cell Mate with with a Taste for Child Killers.

You're sick. And to think, you just got done talking about respect for the law

 

[razeontherock]

He had a Scratch on his head. Evidence of a Struggle, such as when Zimmerman pulled his gun on Martin and Martin tackled Zimmerman trying to Wrestle the Gun away.

You really do think Trayvon was the stupidest person on Earth - and yo still defend him. *SMH*

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Yes, and that's why this "Stand your ground" Law has been a Disaster.

I Live in Florida, 10 mins from Sanford and I even Worked in that same Housing Development (I wasn't working that night) So I think I have a little right to feel a little connected to this matter.

But that aside, this was a Travesty of Justice simply because of the Fact that Zimmerman believed that he had a Right to put himself and Martin in this position in the first place, all because of this stupid Law and Zimmerman's taking the law into his own hands.

If any good comes out of this, It'll be that Law gets over-turned.

My grandmother, who lives in Florida near the area where Trayvon was, talked with me on the subject and she had some of the same sentiments you had.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Says the Killer.

Yes. And the police said that they don't have any evidence to contradict his statements. So why is he in jail again?

He had a Scratch on his head. Evidence of a Struggle, such as when Zimmerman pulled his gun on Martin and Martin tackled Zimmerman trying to Wrestle the Gun away.

How much of a wound do you need to have in your head to cause traumatic brain injury?

The released autopsy, yes. But, like I said, the reason the Case was sealed indicates that the there is more Information somewhere that the the Judge does not want released because he doesn't want to Prejudice the Jury. I was only being Hypothetical.

You mean Judge Lester? He sure was favorable to the defense, wasn't he.

Won't Dignify that with an answer either. You can't claim Evidence that you don't know is true.

If his school records showed that he was a model child, I have no doubt that Benjamin Crump, Esq. would have gotten the family to release them. They probably show that Trayvon Martin was a feral miscreant. From what I understand, the reason that he was at the housing development in the first place was because he didn't behave in school. If the school records showed that #NO_LIMIT_ASTRONAUT was a model child, I have no doubt that they'd be out there. Look at the pictures that everyone uses.

But that aside, this was a Travesty of Justice simply because of the Fact that Zimmerman believed that he had a Right to put himself and Martin in this position in the first place, all because of this stupid Law and Zimmerman's taking the law into his own hands.

You mean the position of getting himself beat up in a fight?

If any good comes out of this, It'll be that Law gets over-turned.

What good would that do?

The state is also prosecuting his wife for perjury, and in that affidavit, they omit several key pieces of her testimony, oh, and another judge referred to the assets that she supposedly perjured herself about as "other people's money." How can one have assets that are "other people's money?"

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I think having a gun in play tends to make people just a bit more reactionary, wouldn't you think?

Michael Eric Dyson Shuts Down Racist Views About The Trayvon Martin Murder
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[Uphill Battle]

Assumption / accusation #1 (Hmm, could've sworn the Bible said something about this)

evidence to date indicates as such. You may by all means attempt to condemn me to hell for my statements.

Assumption / accusation #2. With no more basis than your previous assumption. You're not supposed to bear false witness, you know. You also have the duty to excuse rather than accuse; the latter being in league with satan himself.

Seems kinda serious to me ...

Ah. In league with Satan.

you'll pardon me for ignoring the holier than thou rhetoric.

The law doesn't require a weapon in order for deadly force to be used in self defense

Then it's a remarkably stupid law.

Except that it already WAS a remarkably stupid law to begin with.

Which is why Z has been convicted (or even accused) of stalking. Oh wait ...

He is charged with 2nd degree murder. The fact that he was following Trayvon, and that there is enough evidence to charge him with murder, speaks to the situation.

Dispatcher: We don't need you to do that [follow Martin]

Zimmerman: OK

Yet, he did follow him. He admitted as much (or, if you make the argument that he stopped at that moment, you're going to have to figure out how Zimmerman was out of the car to shoot Trayvon when he "didn't know where the kid was." (from the transcript.) I mean seriously. You think he's going to harm you? Stay in the car. Trayvon had no weapons of any kind. Unless assault with a deadly iced tea was submitted for evidence. Zimmerman forced confrontation. It's abundantly clear.

Michael Eric Dyson Shuts Down Racist Views About The Trayvon Martin Murder​

good stuff.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

good stuff.

Dyson does not play games when it comes to issues regarding Trayvon..

Face The Nation with B...: Why is the Trayvon Martin Case important?​

Juan Williams also did a good job of addressing the ways that people have taken things way out of hand:
​

Juan Williams Smacks Down Hannity's Race Baiting In Trayvon Martin Case​

 

[MachZer0]

evidence to date indicates as such. You may by all means attempt to condemn me to hell for my statements.

The evidence suggests otherwise. That's why he was originally released and not charged.

Then it's a remarkably stupid law.

Except that it already WAS a remarkably stupid law to begin with.

It's not stupid since the attacker doesn't have to have a weapon in order to either cause you great bodily harm or kill you

He is charged with 2nd degree murder. The fact that he was following Trayvon, and that there is enough evidence to charge him with murder, speaks to the situation.

Yet, he did follow him. He admitted as much (or, if you make the argument that he stopped at that moment, you're going to have to figure out how Zimmerman was out of the car to shoot Trayvon when he "didn't know where the kid was." (from the transcript.) I mean seriously. You think he's going to harm you? Stay in the car. Trayvon had no weapons of any kind. Unless assault with a deadly iced tea was submitted for evidence. Zimmerman forced confrontation. It's abundantly clear.

When the 911 person told Zimmerman he didn't need to follow Martin, Zimmerman acquiesced. Under oath, the lead investigator for the State testified that there was no evidence that Zimmerman continued following Marin after that point

 

[Uphill Battle]

The evidence suggests otherwise. That's why he was originally released and not charged.

he is currently charged. That would suggest evidence has been in favour of indictment.

It's not stupid since the attacker doesn't have to have a weapon in order to either cause you great bodily harm or kill you

True. So every time someone looks suspiciously black, and is close by, you have justification to shoot them in self defense. Heck, you even have the right to leave your home, go on to your neighbours yard, and shoot two men in the back (as is indicated in the case I posted before.) What utter gun kissing nonsense.

When the 911 person told Zimmerman he didn't need to follow Martin, Zimmerman acquiesced. Under oath, the lead investigator for the State testified that there was no evidence that Zimmerman continued following Marin after that point

except that he somehow found himself out of the car, with a gun in his hand, and a Dead Trayvon lying on the ground. If he did not seek confrontation, he would still be sitting in the car, waiting. He was clearly not sitting in his car. He shot him 3 odd blocks away from the car.

I don't believe for a new york SECOND that Zimmerman didn't try and find him again, ON foot, with a gun.

Don't get me wrong. I think Zimmerman will get off on the charges. There will be humming and hawing, but in the end, nobody in the district is going to want the "shoot first, never ask questions" mindlessness law to be challenged.

 

[MachZer0]

he is currently charged. That would suggest evidence has been in favour of indictment.

Yes, he was charged after it became a spectacle, based on no real evidence

True. So every time someone looks suspiciously black, and is close by, you have justification to shoot them in self defense. Heck, you even have the right to leave your home, go on to your neighbours yard, and shoot two men in the back (as is indicated in the case I posted before.) What utter gun kissing nonsense.

If a person who "looks suspiciously black (whatever that means) sucker punches you, stradlles you, bashes your head into the ground and tells you he's going to kill you, then yes, you have the ight to kill the "suspiciously looking black" person. in Florida.

except that he somehow found himself out of the car, with a gun in his hand, and a Dead Trayvon lying on the ground. If he did not seek confrontation, he would still be sitting in the car, waiting. He was clearly not sitting in his car. He shot him 3 odd blocks away from the car.

There is no law that requires one to stay in one's car. There isn't even a law that says you can't follow a person who appears suspicious. But there is a law that says you can't sucker punch people and jump on them, bash their heads into the ground and threaten to kill them.

I don't believe for a new york SECOND that Zimmerman didn't try and find him again, ON foot, with a gun.

He would have been perfectly within his legal rights to do so

Don't get me wrong. I think Zimmerman will get off on the charges. There will be humming and hawing, but in the end, nobody in the district is going to want the "shoot first, never ask questions" mindlessness law to be challenged.

If he gets off, justice will have prevailed

 

[Uphill Battle]

Yes, he was charged after it became a spectacle, based on no real evidence

You do realize how the indictment process works, I hope.

If a person who "looks suspiciously black (whatever that means) sucker punches you, stradlles you, bashes your head into the ground and tells you he's going to kill you, then yes, you have the ight to kill the "suspiciously looking black" person. in Florida.

Except we have only the testimony of the shooter to corroberate that. Any rebuttal... oh, darn. he's dead.

There is no law that requires one to stay in one's car.
there isn't even a law that says you can't follow a person who appears suspicious. But there is a law that says you can't sucker punch people and jump on them, bash their heads into the ground and threaten to kill them.

again, there is no evidence of zimmerman being jumped, or having his head bashed. None. And no, there isn't a law about staying in the car. the POINT is, Zimmerman forced confrontation, he was armed, Trayvon was not. That is cold hard fact.

Trayvon Martin killing: witness says he saw Zimmerman walk away uninjured | World news | guardian.co.uk

He would have been perfectly within his legal rights to do so

no, he wouldn't. Chasing down a guy with a gun, because he's suspiciously black, is not a legal right.

If he gets off, justice will have prevailed

you have a very strange and twisted sense of justice, in my opinion.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Except we have only the testimony of the shooter to corroberate that. Any rebuttal... oh, darn. he's dead.

Yup. Zimmerman had no injuries at all.

According to some of the motions filed by the defense, the prosecution has withheld exculpatory evidence including sketches prepared by witnesses. So they've violated Zimmeran's due process rights.

again, there is no evidence of zimmerman being jumped, or having his head bashed. None. And no, there isn't a law about staying in the car. the POINT is, Zimmerman forced confrontation, he was armed, Trayvon was not. That is cold hard fact.

If this EMT report is accurate, that is not true. and Zimmerman received injuries.

From Dee Dee's testimony

BDLR: OK, and then what happened?

Dee Dee: And then…he say he lost him.

BDLR: He lost..like…the man?

Dee Dee: Yeah.

no, he wouldn't. Chasing down a guy with a gun, because he's suspiciously black, is not a legal right.

What illegal activity did George Zimmerman engage in?