No Sex in heaven.

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Just pondering on this since last night. If God in the beginning created Adam and Eve to be perfect and it was to be heaven on earth before the fall, how would the human race have been created if there is going to be no sex in heaven? yet there had to of been sex in the garden of eden if we were to be created without the evil.

So in God's perfectly created world before 'sin' would God of allowed sex in the garden, yet I have been told there will be no sex in heaven. :)
 
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I don't think it's so much a question of goodness vs. sin, as natural body vs. spirit form. A bird or squirrel goes through a life cycle with natural patterns of its species, procreating, and eventually dies.

We take on that sort of state here on earth but also have the eternal aspect of our souls living on beyond that. We won't need to procreate. Even if that's not what we think of the activity, that's what it is from a birds' eye view.
 
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Just pondering on this since last night. If God in the beginning created Adam and Eve to be perfect and it was to be heaven on earth before the fall, how would the human race have been created if there is going to be no sex in heaven? yet there had to of been sex in the garden of eden if we were to be created without the evil.

So in God's perfectly created world before 'sin' would God of allowed sex in the garden, yet I have been told there will be no sex in heaven. :)

Most theologians conclude that, because there is no marriage in Heaven, there won't be any sex either. We don't really know that for sure, but I think it's a legitimate interpretation. Many see sex as sort of the end all be all of pleasure and intimacy, but that is just based on our limited experience of what is possible. Our flesh is corrupt and it is not reflective of what we, as eternal beings, will ultimately find fulfilling. In Heaven we will have glorified bodies which are capable of standing in the presence of a Holy God and experiencing His infinite and everlasting love. There is no physical act, nothing that we could ever experience on Earth, that even holds a candle to what that will be like. It is in God that we find our ultimate fulfillment, and what an eternal civilization which is built around Gods love will look like is still quite a mystery. We know that it will certainly look nothing like the ones we are living in. We also know that nothing we experience here can prepare us for the awesome majesty that we will experience being in the presence of God for all time. Whatever it looks like, it is guaranteed to be eternally fulfilling and thus we won't be missing anything that happened here on Earth.
 
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Im sorry but I think I may have wrote what I wanted to say wrong.

What I was trying to say, that if the world had been perfect like in the beginning do you think we would of all been created through sex?
if so why would there be no sex in heaven if we may have been created through sex in the beginning before the fall.

How would we (the human race) come about.

I dont believe there will be sex in heaven as no one will be married to anyone, that wasnt my question.
 
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Im sorry but I think I may have wrote what I wanted to say wrong.

What I was trying to say, that if the world had been perfect like in the beginning do you think we would of all been created through sex?
if so why would there be no sex in heaven if we may have been created through sex in the beginning before the fall.

How would we (the human race) come about.

I dont believe there will be sex in heaven as no one will be married to anyone, that wasnt my question.

Okay, I understand what you're saying now. It's a tricky thing to answer, because God already knew before He created anything that He would have to send Jesus to rescue us from our sins:

Revelation 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

So, in a sense, there wasn't any possibility of it happening. I think it was absolutely impossible, personally, because sooner or later someone would have sinned. The initial perfection could never be realized because of the possibility of sin. It really might not be the right question either. The Kingdom of Heaven will be a much different reality from the one even Adam and Eve experienced. For one, we will have glorified bodies and whereas they did not have them. Their knowledge was very limited, whereas we will have a fullness of knowledge. They also had the possibility of sin, whereas in the next world there will be no possibility of sin. So what they experienced was not really Heaven. I think what that means is that God ordained sex for that time, knowing what would happen in the future, and in the next world it will no longer be necessary. It was all part of His plan.
 
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I also wonder about if we had sex as our "perfect" selves without sin, wouldn't the planet fill up even sooner since we would also live forever? Would God have a restriction on how many people could be alive?

Now I know in terms of sex after we die. No one knows. But I imagine when God creates the new earth that since we will have bodies, we could have sex again. But then you wonder if we already have happiness since we are perfect, why would we strive for physical pleasure that obviously is a temporary feeling? Sex at that point may be sort of meaningless lol. Which also makes me wonder "Does this mean are perfect bodies will not have male/female body parts?".

But this leads to endless questions like "Can I eat?" or "Will I still be able to use the bathroom?". Silly questions yes, but we humans in our current state wonder these things. ^.^
 
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I also wonder about if we had sex as our "perfect" selves without sin, wouldn't the planet fill up even sooner since we would also live forever? Would God have a restriction on how many people could be alive?

Now I know in terms of sex after we die. No one knows. But I imagine when God creates the new earth that since we will have bodies, we could have sex again. But then you wonder if we already have happiness since we are perfect, why would we strive for physical pleasure that obviously is a temporary feeling? Sex at that point may be sort of meaningless lol. Which also makes me wonder "Does this mean are perfect bodies will not have male/female body parts?".

But this leads to endless questions like "Can I eat?" or "Will I still be able to use the bathroom?". Silly questions yes, but we humans in our current state wonder these things. ^.^

I think we could endlessly speculate on this things, although I do believe the scripture indicates that we will eat and drink in the Kingdom of God:

Luke 22:15-18

And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.

For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."

After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you.

For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."

Jesus says "again", which seems to mean we will be eating and drinking with Him in Heaven. There is also that wedding feast, and you would think there would be food at a wedding feast. But of course the important thing is that Jesus will be there.

If we do eat, personally, I am hoping that we can eat and drink and our glorified bodies will perfectly utilize it without any waste products. :) I think in any case that whatever God chooses to do will be perfect. There certainly won't be anyone in Heaven pining away for anything that happened on Earth.
 
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“For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.
But be glad and rejoice forever
in that which I create;
for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,
and her people to be a gladness.
I will rejoice in Jerusalem
and be glad in my people;
no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping
and the cry of distress.
No more shall there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not fill out his days,
for the young man shall die a hundred years old,
and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
They shall build houses and inhabit them;
they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
They shall not build and another inhabit;
they shall not plant and another eat;
for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be,
and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
They shall not labor in vain
or bear children for calamity,
for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD,
and their descendants with them.
Before they call I will answer;
while they are yet speaking I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb shall graze together;
the lion shall eat straw like the ox,
and dust shall be the serpent's food.
They shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain,”
says the LORD.
(Isaiah 65:17-25 ESV)
 
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The Bible says Heaven will consist of us glorifying and worshipping Christ for eternity. It's about Him, not us, so our fleshly needs will play no part, but we won't even have a flesh, we will be a spirit, there would be no sexual desire anyway.

I'd like to see the Biblical support for not having flesh and only being spirit.
 
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Just pondering on this since last night. If God in the beginning created Adam and Eve to be perfect and it was to be heaven on earth before the fall, how would the human race have been created if there is going to be no sex in heaven? yet there had to of been sex in the garden of eden if we were to be created without the evil.

So in God's perfectly created world before 'sin' would God of allowed sex in the garden, yet I have been told there will be no sex in heaven. :)

You have to go to the end of the Bible, in the book of Revelation, to see the answer : 'The old order of things will have passed away' is what God says for heaven. There will be no marriage in heaven therefore sex is not required (since it is a marriage only construct) . Therefore, we will not have sexual urges in heaven either ..for that would encourage lust . In heaven, the fleshly desires are no longer. BUT in place of the wonderful feeling that sex brings...heaven will be far greater than that even : It will be a perfect environment for Christians and sex wont even be missed. Take a look at 1 Corinthians 2:9 for instance.
 
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Because of our earth-born limited minds of intelligence caused by sin that was activated by Adam and Eve, we would not know the full truth until Christ's second coming hopefully very soon in this 21st century future.
May the patience of Jesus keep your faith strong for his future-coming victory over Satan. We have to look forward for Christ's return to transform us into new Christ-transformed minds and bodies where Christ's supernatural joy will replace [or upgrade with the full package of ultimate happiness] sexual feelings that seems to be too super-concentrated 'down under'. In Genesis, God created Adam in his own image from dust - could mean that Adam was created in human shape from Earth's nutrient-rich soil. Now God himself is probably made from some other kind of 'supernatural dust', and how God came to existence is a mystery that will be revealed -along with billions of our questions and queries - where I believe all the answers from God's supernatural wisdom and knowledge, including the holy bible, will be downloaded instantly without any waiting in the queues in front of his meeting room door entrance, or emails because of our internet-like super-intelligent Christ-transformed minds.
God knows our future transforming civilization to fight global warming using advanced new ideas in green clean technology. His future-coming kingdom on a new Christ-transformed Earth will mean that nobody has to worry about living in their own homes in their suburb-surrounded cities where animal pests, environmental or weather damage, hazardous chemicals and building materials, fire hazards, vandalism or even home theft cannot become a nightmare nuisance while livng under the umbrella-like protection of God's invisible roof over his kingdom.
The ultimate health and wealth can only be experienced inside God's kingdom. So that means that all modern homes, mansions, castles, luxury hotels and motels, rental units, and even homes made of trash will return to the soil.
Accepting Jesus is like buying an airline ticket - only thing missing is the date, time and place of destination of where and when Jesus will appear .;*;.

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Just pondering on this since last night. If God in the beginning created Adam and Eve to be perfect and it was to be heaven on earth before the fall, how would the human race have been created if there is going to be no sex in heaven? yet there had to of been sex in the garden of eden if we were to be created without the evil.

So in God's perfectly created world before 'sin' would God of allowed sex in the garden, yet I have been told there will be no sex in heaven. :)

*In Genesis the word translated as perfect-- means they didn't lack anything.

The Garden of Eden was a "foreshadow" of paradise, not paradise itself.
Adam and Eve were alive spiritually with the Lord, but when they "fell"
they weren't aware of that connection being broken (spiritual death) until God revealed it.

There was sex in the Garden of Eden-- God had decreed: "Be fruitful and multiply"...so the animals would be doing "their thing"; then God made woman for the man and both of them would be aware of the animals
"knowing" it's mate...Adam would undoubtedly "know" his mate.

Also...(following excerpt taken from biblebigpicture)
The tabernacle was a foreshadow--
The tabernacle in the wilderness, during Moses' time of leading the nation of Israel, was a foreshadow of what is in heaven. The following scripture compares Christ, High Priest of the New Blood Covenant, to the Levitical priests serving in the tabernacle.

Hebrews 8:3-6 (NIV) - Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one (Christ) also to have something to offer. (4) If he (Christ) were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. (5) They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

"Necessary for this one (Christ) also to have something to offer" - It was necessary for Christ to have something to offer God when He entered heaven and sat down as the High Priest of the New Blood covenant. His offering to God was His blood shed for the sins of mankind.

"If he (Christ) were on earth, he would not be a priest" - If Jesus had remained on the earth after His resurrection, He could not become the High Priest for the Jews because God had already appointed the Levitical Priesthood to offer gifts to God under the Law.

"Sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven" - The tabernacle was a sanctuary where God resided on the mercy seat (covering of the ark in the Most Holy Place). After Jesus' resurrection, the vail that separated the Most Holy Place from the Holy Place was torn in two and the mercy seat (throne of Christ) is now in heaven.
However, Christ still resides on the earth in the hearts of the Royal Priesthood of believers (church), who also form the temple of God.
 
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Just pondering on this since last night. If God in the beginning created Adam and Eve to be perfect and it was to be heaven on earth before the fall, how would the human race have been created if there is going to be no sex in heaven? yet there had to of been sex in the garden of eden if we were to be created without the evil.

So in God's perfectly created world before 'sin' would God of allowed sex in the garden, yet I have been told there will be no sex in heaven. :)

There isn't much the bible says about this except a single statement from Jesus about us being like Angels.

I don't think we really know.
 
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i feel when we get to heaven we will be up there waiting for our spouse to pass on and come up with us and i feel god would be happy if we had sex in heaven with our lover. heaven will be 1000 times better then anything here on earth including sex with your spouse.
 
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The Garden of Eden was not heaven, it was on earth. And sex is not sinful to be "banned"later in the garden of eden if sin had never taken place for another alternative form of multiplication to be needed. God addresses the things that changed during the fall that would differ between the garden of eden and now . Pain during childbirth, crops now growing and harvesting on their own, etc,
 
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i feel when we get to heaven we will be up there waiting for our spouse to pass on and come up with us and i feel god would be happy if we had sex in heaven with our lover. heaven will be 1000 times better then anything here on earth including sex with your spouse.

what about people who have more than one spouse....my mom was a widow and has been married twice.So I dont think thats a logical assumption. My aunt as well had 3 husbands all biblical too because she was a widow 3 times over eighty years of life.So they cant have sex with all 2 or 3 husbands in heaven.
 
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well if you were married to one person your whole life and died and your spouse did not re marry and she/he died then of course you would be together. if you had more then one relationship and died i guess you pick the one you loved the most or want to be with i guess.
 
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OP, if the fall hadn't happened and everything had remained perfect- then yes, of course procreation would have taken place via sex.

That's how God designed our bodies to work- it's why He gave us all the reproductive organs before sin ever came into the equation. No where does it say or imply that sex was wrong or sinful. On the contrary- as BFine points out, God gave us the instruction to be fruitful and multiply.

If you notice, after the fall God says that women will have pain in childbirth- not that childbirth suddenly comes into being.

Sex was not created as sinful- nor wrong. The fall has meant that sex- like everything else- has been tainted in what we do with the gift God gave us- and how we've misused and spoilt it.

Don't forget Eden was not heaven on earth- it was perfect- but it was still created to be a separate place to Heaven.
 
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