I'm not saying Peter was in error, are you?
Hello again B2TB, I have to apologize, lol, I should know better than give short responses, especially when I am in a hurry.
No, Peter was not in error. The point is focused on the languages spoken by the disciples and what would have been the wonderful works they would have been proclaiming. An excuse to place two gifts in scripture is created by saying, "The disciples
merely praised God...they were not proclaiming the Gospel."
But...the prophecy is the Gospel in the Old Testament standard. It spoke of Christ, though not with the detail as we are afforded in the New Testament.
The two gifts created are known languages and an unknown language. The events in Acts are separated from Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians, whereby any "language" can fall under the header of "the gifts of languages."
I'm in total agreement that the Holy Spirit was speaking through Peter that day, when he said this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel
will pour out my Spirit in those days.
30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls.[
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Okay, good. Now direct your attention to Peter's statement here...
Acts 2:13-18
King James Version (KJV)
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
...he was referring to the proclamation of the disciples.
And like I said before, we can see that the Lord was in view:
Acts 2:21-24
King James Version (KJV)
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
And I think you would agree that the name in view is that of Jesus Christ.
I don't see where the disagreement could lay, certainly we understand Christ has not come yet, and this out-pouring of the Holy Spirit happens before Christ comes..........whats your point.....all I said was the prophet Joel declared the out-pouring in the last days, how much more are we into the last days than 2000 years ago?
Depends upon how one views prophecy, really. If, like me, one views prophecy to at times to have near and far fulfillment (such as we see in Daniel, where Antiochus Epiphanes could be viewed as a "forerunner" and model of Antichrist) as well as a partial fulfillment (such as we see in salvation through Christ being established among believing Jews and Gentiles, but not for those it is said will come to specifically, National Israel), then this passage does not bring the accuracy of prophecy into question.
There is, according to Peter, a fulfillment that is said under inspiration to occur on that day, but, we know from two things, 1) prophecy and promise never goes unfulfilled (lest the Lord seem to retract promise) and 2) we are to Apostles at later dates that the prophecy has still a future fulfillment.
Here is an example:
God promised rest unto Israel, that rest was entrance into the promised land, which was eventually fulfilled. Israel did come into the land, but the promise still held fulfillment.
Psalm 95
King James Version (KJV)
7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
This was given in the time of David. Now we go to Hebrews, where many millennia later we see the writer of Hebrews once again incorporating these words to represent "rest" in Christ, in which we could see a fulfillment that has an eye (according to a majority contextual overview) toward spiritual rest, rather than entrance into the promised land:
Hebrews 3:7-12
King James Version (KJV)
7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
The dire warning here is to those of the Hebrew Nation (and has it's application to believers today as well) not to follow the example of the children of Israel in the wilderness, but to enter that "rest." The reason given for their failure to enter is "an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." He also makes it certain as to why they did not enter:
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
We see similar exhortations elsewhere where we are called to examine ourselves, whether we be in the faith, and to make our calling and election sure. The whole point is, "Don't take for granted you are saved..make sure!"
But the thing to notice in the writer's words is that again we see a fulfillment whereby entrance to rest is spoken of, yet it does not refer to entrance to the temporal promised land, but salvation in Christ.
He goes on to say:
Hebrews 4
King James Version (KJV)
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Now, the writer uses this statement (the quote, not the emboldened portion) to refer to salvation, but we have seen it applied to entrance to Canaan as well. Two applications for the same text, and it is my belief that just as Joel will be fulfilled ultimately in the Tribulation, even so this will find it's ultimate fulfillment in the Eternal State.
But, we see it fulfilled in the writer's words above, "We which have believed do enter rest." So we see a temporal application, as well as one focusing on the spiritual. And as I said, I believe we will also see it fulfilled in the Eternal.
or are you saying what Peter and the disciples experienced was not the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and we are still waiting for it?
I hope the above better explains how I view Peter's words, which would to mean exactly what he says, but I would not limit that to that period.
I leave you with this, there are no counterfeits were originals do not exist
I am not sure what you mean by this.
God bless.