Interesting verses on the "oblation" and "sanctuary!"

[daq]

So what's the word used in Daniel for abomination?


I quess you're purposely making no sense.

As you surely know the word for ''abomination'' employed in Daniel is ''shiqquts'' ~

Original Strong's Ref. #8251
Romanized shiqquwts
Pronounced shik-koots'
or shiqquts {shik-koots'}; from HSN8262; disgusting, i.e. filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol:
KJV--abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing).

However, I wonder if you know the ONE and ONLY place ''shiqquts'' is found in Torah?

Deuteronomy 29:14-20 KJV
14. Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15. But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
16. (For ye know how we have dwelt in the land of Egypt; and how we came through the nations which ye passed by;
17. And ye have seen their abominations, [HSN#8251 shiqquwts] and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them: )
18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the Lord our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
19. And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
20. The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.

It is all about the imagination of the heart. Isaiah 66 adds that it is also about those who see ''buildings made with hands'' as the dwelling place of the Most High:

Isaiah 66:1-3 KJV
1. Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2. For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3. He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations [HSN#8251 shiqquwts].

The point is that a real animal, like an ox or a lamb, cannot possibly take the place of a man or atone for the sins of a man. And where does the Most High dwell? To this man does he say: ''Even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.'' And Stephen also quotes this same passage from Isaiah and states the very same; that the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands: NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL.

Acts 7:48-53 KJV
48. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49. Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50. Hath not my hand made all these things?
51. Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53. Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.


I really am not even sure where you stand or what you believe about these things but the ''abomination of desolation'' is a thing which takes place in the heart of the man: JUST AS YESHUA TEACHES.

 

[precepts]

As you surely know the word for ''abomination'' employed in Daniel is ''shiqquts'' ~

Original Strong's Ref. #8251
Romanized shiqquwts
Pronounced shik-koots'
or shiqquts {shik-koots'}; from HSN8262; disgusting, i.e. filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol:
KJV--abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing).

However, I wonder if you know the ONE and ONLY place ''shiqquts'' is found in Torah?

Deuteronomy 29:14-20 KJV
14. Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
15. But with him that standeth here with us this day before the Lord our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
16. (For ye know how we have dwelt in the land of Egypt; and how we came through the nations which ye passed by;
17. And ye have seen their abominations, [HSN#8251 shiqquwts] and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them: )
18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the Lord our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
19. And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
20. The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.

It is all about the imagination of the heart. Isaiah 66 adds that it is also about those who see ''buildings made with hands'' as the dwelling place of the Most High:

Isaiah 66:1-3 KJV
1. Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2. For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3. He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations [HSN#8251 shiqquwts].

It doesn't seem to make a difference, in fact, you're reinforcing the point of the sanctuary being not made of hands but of flesh. What I think is, you're missing the point and the fact of the Aaronic priestly lineage post Babylon!

The point is that a real animal, like an ox or a lamb, cannot possibly take the place of a man or atone for the sins of a man. And where does the Most High dwell? To this man does he say: ''Even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.'' And Stephen also quotes this same passage from Isaiah and states the very same; that the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands: NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL.

Acts 7:48-53 KJV
48. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49. Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
50. Hath not my hand made all these things?
51. Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53. Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Which has nothing to do with the premise. This thread is about the "oblation" and the "sanctuary" mentioned in Ezekiel, and the abomination in Daniel, not the definition of abomination.

I really am not even sure where you stand or what you believe about these things but the ''abomination of desolation'' is a thing which takes place in the heart of the man: JUST AS YESHUA TEACHES.

And how does that fit in Daniel's prophesy of the oblation and the sanctuary being defiled?! I know for certain it wasn't the heart of man God was referring to in Daniel, so get a grip, friend!

 

[daq]

It doesn't seem to make a difference, in fact, you're reinforcing the point of the sanctuary being not made of hands but of flesh. What I think is, you're missing the point and the fact of the Aaronic priestly lineage post Babylon!



Which has nothing to do with the premise. This thread is about the "oblation" and the "sanctuary" mentioned in Ezekiel, and the abomination in Daniel, not the definition of abomination.





And how does that fit in Daniel's prophesy of the oblation and the sanctuary being defiled?! I know for certain it wasn't the heart of man God was referring to in Daniel, so get a grip, friend!

Why would you assume that ''minchah'' and ''truwmah'' are identical in meaning? You appear to be mixing the meanings if you are assuming that Daniel 9:27 speaks of exactly the same thing. Daniel uses ''minchah'' (with ''zebach'' animal sacrifice) which is generally used for rams, lambs, goats, sacrificial animal offerings and meal offerings. The usage of ''truwmah'' is more general as in a ''gift'' unto the Most High whether it be land, its produce, gold, silver, skins, etc., etc. This is a great study in and of itself because of the scope of the usages of both words and their contexts. However, terumah is more of a free-will offering which is willingly given from the heart. The way in which the two words compare is in the fact that each of us, supernally speaking, has his or her own rams, lambs, goats, and a ''fatted calf'' to offer, (all of them fatlings of Bashan). Perhaps you might start in Exodus 25:2 and continue from there?

Exodus 25:1-9
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: [HSN#8641 truwmah] of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take My offering [HSN#8641 truwmah].
3. And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
4. And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
5. And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood,
6. Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,
7. Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8. And let them make me a miqdash; that I may dwell among them.
9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the mishkan, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Original Strong's Ref. #8641
Romanized truwmah
Pronounced ter-oo-maw'
or trumah (Deut.12v11) {ter-oo-maw'}; from HSN7311; a present (as offered up), especially in sacrifice or as tribute:
KJV--gift, heave offering ([shoulder]), oblation, offered(-ing).

Therefore pattern your little miqdash-sanctuary-chapel after the pattern of the Mishkan or perhaps Daniel 8:11 is rather what you should be more concerned with.

 

[precepts]

Why would you assume that ''minchah'' and ''truwmah'' are identical in meaning?

They both mean an offering.

You appear to be mixing the meanings if you are assuming that Daniel 9:27 speaks of exactly the same thing. Daniel uses ''minchah'' (with ''zebach'' animal sacrifice) which is generally used for rams, lambs, goats, sacrificial animal offerings and meal offerings.

There could be a double meaning between the two. The fact still remains the oblation in Ezekiel, of a "sanctuary" set aside as a profane place, that's different from the first exodus' land settlement for the priests, could still be the sanctuary defiled in Daniel regardless of the two separate meanings of oblation.

The usage of ''truwmah'' is more general as in a ''gift'' unto the Most High whether it be land, its produce, gold, silver, skins, etc., etc. This is a great study in and of itself because of the scope of the usages of both words and their contexts. However, terumah is more of a free-will offering which is willingly given from the heart. The way in which the two words compare is in the fact that each of us, supernally speaking, has his or her own rams, lambs, goats, and a ''fatted calf'' to offer, (all of them fatlings of Bashan).

You keep throwing these off the wall spiritual connections that has nothing to do with the text that caused me to not understand your original post. You seem more concerned about spirituality than the truth, just like that other guy earlier! The subliminal message I'm getting is you're both trying to ignore the obvious "abomination" lurking in the room, the proverbial elephant in the room!

Perhaps you might start in Exodus 25:2 and continue from there?

Exodus 25:1-9
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: [HSN#8641 truwmah] of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take My offering [HSN#8641 truwmah].
3. And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
4. And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
5. And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood,
6. Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,
7. Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8. And let them make me a miqdash; that I may dwell among them.
9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the mishkan, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Original Strong's Ref. #8641
Romanized truwmah
Pronounced ter-oo-maw'
or trumah (Deut.12v11) {ter-oo-maw'}; from HSN7311; a present (as offered up), especially in sacrifice or as tribute:
KJV--gift, heave offering ([shoulder]), oblation, offered(-ing).

Therefore pattern your little miqdash-sanctuary-chapel after the pattern of the Mishkan or perhaps Daniel 8:11 is rather what you should be more concerned with.

Why would I want to pattern anything? That's exactly what I'm talking about, non textual, fanatical, emotionalism. Where do you people get this stuff?! The fact is the Aaronic priestly lineage was ended permanently, which I would interpret as the "abomination of desolation" and the casting down of "the prince of the covenant."

 

[daq]

The fact is the Aaronic priestly lineage was ended permanently, which I would interpret as the "abomination of desolation" and the casting down of "the prince of the covenant."

It is not me that you disagree with concerning the priesthood but rather, in your unbelief, it is the very clear Scripture with which you dispute; and not only that which was already posted at the opening of this thread but also the following clear statements:

Isaiah 66:18-22 KJV
18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19. And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20. And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Jeremiah 33:14-22 KJV
14. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
15. In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
17. For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
18. Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
19. And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20. Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21. Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
22. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Your dispute is not with me but with my Father and his Word.

 

[daq]

They both mean an offering.

There could be a double meaning between the two. The fact still remains the oblation in Ezekiel, of a "sanctuary" set aside as a profane place, that's different from the first exodus' land settlement for the priests, could still be the sanctuary defiled in Daniel regardless of the two separate meanings of oblation.



You keep throwing these off the wall spiritual connections that has nothing to do with the text that caused me to not understand your original post. You seem more concerned about spirituality than the truth, just like that other guy earlier! The subliminal message I'm getting is you're both trying to ignore the obvious "abomination" lurking in the room, the proverbial elephant in the room!



Why would I want to pattern anything? That's exactly what I'm talking about, non textual, fanatical, emotionalism. Where do you people get this stuff?! The fact is the Aaronic priestly lineage was ended permanently, which I would interpret as the "abomination of desolation" and the casting down of "the prince of the covenant."

You, of course, do not necessarily have to do anything; that is what free will and love is all about. However, in case you change your mind, here is a slightly more in-depth explanation from the Word. The things I spoke of are the same which you are grappling with yet you do not even see that they are the same because of your mindset. The miqdash-chapel-sanctuary is likened to the ''little individual-body-temple'' or ''house'' of each believer just as it is also portrayed in the New Testament. The Mishkan-Tabernacle is patterned as the greater dwelling place of the Father, which is likened to the entire body of Messiah, made up all believers. Therefore I said that one should pattern his ''little miqdash-chapel-sanctuary'' after the Mishkan-Tabernacle as is clearly stated in the Scripture which was posted. Here it is again:

Exodus 25:8-9
8. And let them make me a sanctuary; [HSN#4720 miqdash] that I may dwell among them.
9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, [HSN#4908 mishkan] and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Original Strong's Ref. #4720
Romanized miqdash
Pronounced mik-dawsh'
or miqqdash (Exo.15v17) {mik-ked-awsh'}; from HSN6942; a consecrated thing or place, especially, a palace, sanctuary (whether of J-h-v-h or of idols) or asylum:
KJV--chapel, hallowed part, holy place, sanctuary.

Strong's Ref. #4908
Romanized mishkan
Pronounced mish-kawn'
from HSN7931; a residence (including a shepherd's hut, the lair of animals, figuratively, the grave; also the Temple); specifically, the Tabernacle (properly, its wooden walls):
KJV--dwelleth, dwelling (place), habitation, tabernacle, tent.

Thus my statement was clearly in compliance with BOTH Testament writings:

1 Corinthians 6:15-20
15. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20. For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

If therefore you are a disciple of Yeshua then your body is no more your own, and your body is your house, and your house is your miqdash-chapel-temple, and your miqdash-chapel-temple is to be patterned after the greater Mishkan-Tabernacle with all of the holy vessels thereof. In addition to this there is the passage from the prophet Ezekiel which foretells the fulfillment of Revelation 21:22, in each believer, each in his own appointed times:

Ezekiel 11:14-20
14. Again the Word of YHWH came unto me, saying,
15. Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from YHWH: unto us is this 'erets-land given in possession.
16. Therefore say, Thus saith 'Adonay YHWH; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the 'erets-countries, yet will I be to them as a little miqdash-sanctuary in the 'erets-countries where they shall come.
17. Therefore say, Thus saith 'Adonay YHWH; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the 'erets-countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the 'adamah-soil-land of Israel.
18. And they shall enter therein, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the shiqquwts-abominations thereof from thence.
19. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20. That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their 'Elohiym.

The above is one reason why you might take the advice of the Scripture and begin to pattern your own ''little miqdash-chapel-sanctuary'' after the greater Mishkan-Tabernacle. Another reason is because the earth and all of the works therein still belong to the Creator; and for the same reason I previously quoted Daniel 8:11 above. A man can fancy himself to be doing as he so pleases for a season but there will always be consequences on the horizon; either for the good or for the bad. Unfortunately, so many are taught that they are saved by a prayer and therefore pay no heed to the fact that the Creator continues to reserve the right to do as he so pleases with his own creation. And as his creation we are PROPERTY, like the vessels of a potter, and it is the Potter who decides what each of his vessels will be filled with in The End.

Daniel 8:11
11. Even against the Sar- ha-tsaba' he magnified, and from him was taken up the Tamiyd, and was thrown down the habitation of his miqdash-chapel-sanctuary.

Or perhaps the Potter may use his broken vessels for bird houses? …

Revelation 18:2
2. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 

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It is not me that you disagree with concerning the priesthood but rather, in your unbelief, it is the very clear Scripture with which you dispute; and not only that which was already posted at the opening of this thread but also the following clear statements:

Isaiah 66:18-22 KJV
18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19. And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20. And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
21. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Jeremiah 33:14-22 KJV
14. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
15. In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
17. For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
18. Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
19. And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20. Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21. Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
22. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Your dispute is not with me but with my Father and his Word.

Well, I definately know we have different fathers, your's being carnal, mine's spiritual! What's the difference between you and the Pharisees in Christ's time that waited for a fleshly kingdom? None! What binds you together? Carnality! Chirst himself said his kingdom is not of this world!

The problem with people like you is not accepting the whole word. Revelation verifies the heavenly temple and the heavenly Shalem, where the ark was seen. That's where the 1,000 yrs is spent replaced by the new heavenly Shalem, in heaven. Flesh and blood cannot and will never inherit the kingdom of God, nor will the physical earth.

I know the scriptures well enough to know the promises of Israel lasting longer than the stars and the moon but it's because of the spiritual heavenly Israel, not the earthly carnal one.

If you've read any of my threads on the Levites you would know that they are the 144,000 singers and players of instruments in Revelation, written out of the Exodus, and sealed by David in his last and 70th yr

We definately do have different fathers!

 

[daq]

Well, I definately know we have different fathers, your's being carnal, mine's spiritual! What's the difference between you and the Pharisees in Christ's time that waited for a fleshly kingdom? None! What binds you together? Carnality! Chirst himself said his kingdom is not of this world!

The problem with people like you is not accepting the whole word. Revelation verifies the heavenly temple and the heavenly Shalem, where the ark was seen. That's where the 1,000 yrs is spent replaced by the new heavenly Shalem, in heaven. Flesh and blood cannot and will never inherit the kingdom of God, nor will the physical earth.

I know the scriptures well enough to know the promises of Israel lasting longer than the stars and the moon but it's because of the spiritual heavenly Israel, not the earthly carnal one.

If you've read any of my threads on the Levites you would know that they are the 144,000 singers and players of instruments in Revelation, written out of the Exodus, and sealed by David in his last and 70th yr

We definately do have different fathers!

Hahaha … You said that, not me, I did not go that far. However, perhaps you are correct because everything I have stated herein was stated with the Scripture; both the Old and the New Covenants. And it is not myself who refuses to take the Scripture as a whole. You say that the Aaronic-Levitical priesthood was permanently abolished, in opposition to the clear statements of Scripture; then you say the priesthood is currently somewhere in some ethereal kingdom of heaven far away from you because Yeshua said his kingdom is not of this world. Yet the Scripture supports the opposite of what you propose because the kingdom of the Father is within us, (therefore we are not of this world). And apparently you do this in order to keep the Truth far away from yourself so that you may continue to do as you please with your own life which you live for yourself. And although that is your choice it does not make it the Truth.

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

1 Peter 2:5-10 KJV
5. Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8. And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Exodus 19:5-6 KJV
5. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21. That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

Revelation 1:3-6 RSV
3. Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.
4. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
5. and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
6. and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

If you cannot see that the saints are a kingdom of priests, an holy priesthood, an holy nation, and that the kingdom of the Father is within us like the days of heaven upon the earth; how then does that make me the carnal one or the Pharisee? It is yourself who is like unto the Pharisees, O Bartimaeus son of Timaeus; get yourself some eye-salve from the Master.

 

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Hahaha … You said that, not me, I did not go that far. However, perhaps you are correct because everything I have stated herein was stated with the Scripture; both the Old and the New Covenants. And it is not myself who refuses to take the Scripture as a whole.

Action speaks way louder than words, friend. Everything I posted was scriptural too.

I explained how your verses fit scripturally as a whole with the word. You're the one who's not addressing my verses.

Talk is cheap!

You say that the Aaronic-Levitical priesthood was permanently abolished, in opposition to the clear statements of Scripture;

How foolish can you be, where is the Aaronic priesthood now in regards to your verses?

then you say the priesthood is currently somewhere in some ethereal kingdom of heaven far away from you because Yeshua said his kingdom is not of this world. Yet the Scripture supports the opposite of what you propose because the kingdom of the Father is within us,

If the kingdom is within man then why did Christ say he was going away to prepare a place for us?!

That's the type of one-sideness I'm talking about!

(therefore we are not of this world).

We are not of this world but yet you believe in an earthly kingdom?!

And apparently you do this in order to keep the Truth far away from yourself so that you may continue to do as you please with your own life which you live for yourself.

You're talking about things you have no knowledge of. How foolish is that?

And although that is your choice it does not make it the Truth.

This is either insanity or an attempt to undermine my integrity.

Luke 17:20-21 KJV

20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It would be a waste of time for me to post verses about the heavenly kingdom because you full well know them!

1 Peter 2:5-10 KJV

5. Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8. And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Which has nothing to do with the Levitical priesthood.

Exodus 19:5-6 KJV

5. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21. That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

Try reading comprehension, the context is addressed to the Ewes post exodus and the Levites, not christians. That's exactly what I'm talking about, you can't take scripture out of context fto or your private interpretations!

Revelation 1:3-6 RSV

3. Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near.
4. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
5. and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
6. and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Obviously the Levites in the resurrection. The Levitical priesthood is not the priesthood within man!

If you cannot see that the saints are a kingdom of priests, an holy priesthood, an holy nation, and that the kingdom of the Father is within us like the days of heaven upon the earth; how then does that make me the carnal one or the Pharisee? It is yourself who is like unto the Pharisees, O Bartimaeus son of Timaeus; get yourself some eye-salve from the Master.

Maybe if you took the time to address my questions I could better answer. You're one-sided. You have to accept the two sides of the story, anything else is falsehood. You're claiming the Aaronic priesthood lasts forever while claiming to be part of a new spiritual nation of non Aaronic priests! Get the facts straight, friend! Which is it? A spiritual or a fleshly priesthood?! The old or the new covenant priesthood?!

 

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Action speaks way louder than words, friend. Everything I posted was scriptural too.

I explained how your verses fit scripturally as a whole with the word. You're the one who's not addressing my verses.

Talk is cheap!


How foolish can you be, where is the Aaronic priesthood now in regards to your verses?


If the kingdom is within man then why did Christ say he was going away to prepare a place for us?!

That's the type of one-sideness I'm talking about!


We are not of this world but yet you believe in an earthly kingdom?!


You're talking about things you have no knowledge of. How foolish is that?


This is either insanity or an attempt to undermine my integrity.


It would be a waste of time for me to post verses about the heavenly kingdom because you full well know them!





Which has nothing to do with the Levitical priesthood.



Try reading comprehension, the context is addressed to the Ewes post exodus and the Levites, not christians. That's exactly what I'm talking about, you can't take scripture out of context fto or your private interpretations!



Obviously the Levites in the resurrection. The Levitical priesthood is not the priesthood within man!



Maybe if you took the time to address my questions I could better answer. You're one-sided. You have to accept the two sides of the story, anything else is falsehood. You're claiming the Aaronic priesthood lasts forever while claiming to be part of a new spiritual nation of non Aaronic priests! Get the facts straight, friend! Which is it? A spiritual or a fleshly priesthood?! The old or the new covenant priesthood?!

Your increasingly heated temperament is merely a reflection of the main underlying problem with so many others of the modern super-sunday armchair eschatology-prophecy buffs; they care nothing about Torah, nothing about Theology, and nothing about the Doctrines of Yeshua. The seed lines are not of the flesh as you presume. In so assuming you have effectively cut your own self off from the root because Yeshua is the holy seed of Abraham, (Galatians 3:16) and Abraham paid the tithe unto Melchizedek showing that Abraham honored the king of Salem above himself. At the same time Levi was in the loins of Abraham when he paid the tithe to Melchizedek, (Hebrews 7:9-10). And again at the same time John the Immerser was the son of Zacharias who was of the course of Abia-Abijah, (Luke 1:5) and therefore John himself was also of the course of Abijah. And again at the same time; Yeshua states that Simon Peter is the son of John the Immerser when he names him Cephas, (John 1:35-42) because Simon Peter was a disciple of John before he met Yeshua. If then the Master states that Simon Peter is the son of John the Immerser one would think that anyone else claiming to be a disciple of the Word would believe such a statement! Yet surely one such as yourself will have difficulty in digesting the statement because you apparently only believe in the physical seed lines of the priesthood which you state was ''ended permanently'' (by Antiochus III? or Epiphanes IV?) and accordingly you state that you interpret that as the ''abomination of desolation'' even though Yeshua states the ''abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet'' to be FUTURE from the time of the Olivet Discourse. Therefore you most likely will not be capable of perceiving how the course of Abijah, (1 Chronicles 24:10) could be transferred to Simon Peter-Cephas by the Master himself in the first chapter of the Gospel of John. Again at the same time, in another place, Yeshua calls Simon Peter the son of Jonah, Simon Bar-Yonah, showing that the Spirit of Elijah was indeed upon John the Immerser because the same Spirit of Elijah was upon Yonah the prophet when he anointed Jehu the son of Nimshi as king of Israel when he was but a young man of the prophets; it was Elijah who was clearly commanded to anoint Jehu son of Nimshi as king of Israel, (1 Kings 19:16) and indeed he did through Yonah the prophet, (2 Kings 9:1-2). And yet again, at the same time; your own flesh perspective of fleshly seed lines completely disqualifies your ''version'' of Messiah because you refuse to see the Truth right in front of your eyes in the Scripture. You may fail to see how any of these things matter but they surely do matter when it comes to THEOLOGY in spite of your lack any interest in truly understanding:

Matthew 1:11-16 KJV
11. And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12. And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13. And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14. And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15. And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16. And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

This Jechonias is Jeconiah, who is also Coniah son of Jehoiakim, son of Josiah.

This Coniah:

Jeremiah 22:24-30 KJV
24. As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;
25. And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand of them whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans.
26. And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die.
27. But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return.
28. Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?
29. O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.
30. Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

By this statement alone the seed line of the Matthew chronology must be SPIRIT.
The same is true of Cephas, son of John, course of Abijah, HOUSE OF LEVI.

 

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Your increasingly heated temperament is merely a reflection of the main underlying problem with so many others of the modern super-sunday armchair eschatology-prophecy buffs; they care nothing about Torah, nothing about Theology, and nothing about the Doctrines of Yeshua. The seed lines are not of the flesh as you presume.

Yet you quote verses from the old testament that applies to the fleshly Levitical covenant!

In so assuming you have effectively cut your own self off from the root because Yeshua is the holy seed of Abraham, (Galatians 3:16) and Abraham paid the tithe unto Melchizedek showing that Abraham honored the king of Salem above himself. At the same time Levi was in the loins of Abraham when he paid the tithe to Melchizedek, (Hebrews 7:9-10).

Again with the accusations and foolish assumptions!

And again at the same time John the Immerser was the son of Zacharias who was of the course of Abia-Abijah, (Luke 1:5) and therefore John himself was also of the course of Abijah. And again at the same time;

And Abia-Abijah was of the course of who?! Who?!!

Yeshua states that Simon Peter is the son of John the Immerser when he names him Cephas, (John 1:35-42) because Simon Peter was a disciple of John before he met Yeshua. If then the Master states that Simon Peter is the son of John the Immerser one would think that anyone else claiming to be a disciple of the Word would believe such a statement! Yet surely one such as yourself will have difficulty in digesting the statement because you apparently only believe in the physical seed lines of the priesthood which you state was ''ended permanently'' (by Antiochus III? or Epiphanes IV?)

Try swalloiwing the fact that the seed of Aaron was discontinued during the reign of Antiochus III documented by the Maccabees and hisory. To connect a spiritual priesthood as a continuation of the fleshly priesthood is calling Christ a high priest after the seedline order of Levi. Digest that and then tell me what you come up with.

and accordingly you state that you interpret that as the ''abomination of desolation'' even though Yeshua states the ''abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet'' to be FUTURE from the time of the Olivet Discourse.

There're three conflicting verses concerning the abomination in three of the four conflicting gospel stories.

Therefore you most likely will not be capable of perceiving how the course of Abijah, (1 Chronicles 24:10) could be transferred to Simon Peter-Cephas by the Master himself in the first chapter of the Gospel of John.

I would like you to percieve which Levitical course was Abijah from. Prove this course connection to the courses David set in 1 Chronicals and the seedlines of Aaron.

Again at the same time, in another place, Yeshua calls Simon Peter the son of Jonah, Simon Bar-Yonah, showing that the Spirit of Elijah was indeed upon John the Immerser because the same Spirit of Elijah was upon Yonah the prophet when he anointed Jehu the son of Nimshi as king of Israel when he was but a young man of the prophets;

Unscripturally fanatic.

it was Elijah who was clearly commanded to anoint Jehu son of Nimshi as king of Israel, (1 Kings 19:16) and indeed he did through Yonah the prophet, (2 Kings 9:1-2).

You're purposely posting nonsense and adding to scripture. Provide a verse that connects Elisha with Yonah!

And yet again, at the same time; your own flesh perspective of fleshly seed lines completely disqualifies your ''version'' of Messiah because you refuse to see the Truth right in front of your eyes in the Scripture. You may fail to see how any of these things matter but they surely do matter when it comes to THEOLOGY in spite of your lack any interest in truly understanding:

If there was a connection between the Aaronic priestly lineage and a spiritual priesthood, Christ would have specifically addressed it. You're assuming nonsense. In the entire new testament there's no where showing Christ establishing a priesthood. The fleshly priesthood ended with the with the old, systematically, especially since the priesthood in Christ's time weren't Aaronic!

Matthew 1:11-16 KJV

11. And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12. And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13. And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14. And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15. And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16. And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

This Jechonias is Jeconiah, who is also Coniah son of Jehoiakim, son of Josiah.

This Coniah:

Jeremiah 22:24-30 KJV
24. As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;
25. And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand of them whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans.
26. And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die.
27. But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return.
28. Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?
29. O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.
30. Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

By this statement alone the seed line of the Matthew chronology must be SPIRIT.
The same is true of Cephas, son of John, course of Abijah, HOUSE OF LEVI.

Purely illogical and your petty private interpretation. If it was so the world would know. Have a nice day! You're assuming!