I think "Catholic dogma" might be too narrow. I don't want, for example, to have debates here with the Orthodox over history, even if it's not dogma-challenging. If there is any change at all, I'd prefer to see it allowed in the political forum only. I'm voting for no change though.
Would it be any different from having a debate about history with Catholics?
Historical debates should be secular only.
There isn't such a thing; the Church is irrevocable intertwined with history. Purely 'secular history' is a modern fallacy and common enough error. It doesn't exist: it never has.
Virgil the Roman said:There isn't such a thing; the Church is irrevocable intertwined with history. Purely 'secular history' is a modern fallacy and common enough error. It doesn't exist: it never has.
There isn't such a thing; the Church is irrevocable intertwined with history. Purely 'secular history' is a modern fallacy and common enough error. It doesn't exist: it never has.
you even mentioned debates with the EO over the history of the East/West SchismI'm just saying that purely secular history to exclude the Church entirely as not a factor isn't always possible.
if someone does not self identify as a Catholic, should they be counted as a Catholic on this forum?
Nope. That was sort of been one of my sticking points over the past few months. Even protestant Churches recognize apostasy & falling away. Regardless of where they were baptized. But I guess Catholics have some magic formula where if done under a Catholic roof, you can claim Catholic regardless of whether you practice the faith or not..what if someone was baptised in the Catholic Church but is now a pagan and worships Odin? should they be allowed to debate theology in OBOB?
The Church recognized valid baptisms. But no, they are not Catholic in obedience to the magesterium.
Nope. That was sort of been one of my sticking points over the past few months. Even protestant Churches recognize apostasy & falling away. Regardless of where they were baptized. But I guess Catholics have some magic formula where if done under a Catholic roof, you can claim Catholic regardless of whether you practice the faith or not..
we have a lot of members who just use the black crossI voted yes to both. The one caveat I have, is that we need the Mod's to be responsive if we notice a pattern of abuse under the guise of fellowship.
For the newer folks, yes I am a Catholic. I just prefer the basic cross to the decorative cross. It is just a personal preference.
I hope I do not sound unfriendly!I am not Catholic but am thankfull I can post questions here. If I ever state something that I mean as a clarification on a belief that is viewed as debating I appologize in advance and will strive to not do that again.
Many of my favorite threads have been in this forum. I also have one thread I started I really wish I had placed here about the link from Peter to the Catholic Church so it wouldnt have devolved into Catholic bashing.
I do not think debate should be limeted based on that
but rather if people are part of the Catholic Church or not
but it seems like my view is in the minority
I have a question for you. What do you consider debate to be? I think that may be a stumbling block in a lot of ways. For the rules currently, it seems to be disagreement of any sort.