Did God Stop "Dictating" His Word After The Book Of Revelation??.......

[OzSpen]

I think God sealed up the bible for a purpose. In the last days, false prophets and false teachers and the anti-christ will spring up. If the bible is not sealed up, wrong teachings can and will creep into the church.

Even with a closed Bible, there have been plenty of opportunities for false teachers. See the last 200 years of liberal theological scholarship to see what that has done to tear the Bible apart and denigrate it. Then compare that with what the Jesus Seminar is doing in the contemporary environment - it is just one representative of some of the postmodern deconstruction of the Bible.

However, throughout church history there have been false teachers. Ever heard of Arius and his opponent Athanasius? However, that was before the formal recognition of the completion of the NT at the Synod of Carthage, AD 397. This article from Christianity Today stated:

The earliest known recognition of the 27 books of the New Testament as alone canonical, to which nothing is to be added and from which nothing is to be subtracted, is the list preserved by Athanasius (A.D. 367). The synod of Hippo (A.D. 393) and the Third Synod of Carthage (A.D. 397) duly acquiesced, again probably under the influence of the redoubtable Augustine.

[FONT=&quot]The closing of the two canons and their amalgamation into one are historical watersheds that it would be presumptuous to disturb[/FONT] (Ronald Youngblood, "The Process; How We Got Our Bible," Christianity Today, Feb 5, 1988, p. 27).

However, the Synods of Hippo and Carthage did not create the NT. J. I. Packer has stated it well:

The Church no more gave us the New Testament canon than Sir Isaac Newton gave us the force of gravity. God gave us gravity, by His work of creation, and similarly He gave us the New Testament canon, by inspiring the individual books that make it up (1965. God Speaks to Man. London: Hodder and Stoughton, p. 81).

See M. James Sawyer's article, 'Evangelicals and the canon of the New Testament'.

Sincerely, Oz

 

[mog144]

I think God sealed up the bible for a purpose. In the last days, false prophets and false teachers and the anti-christ will spring up. If the bible is not sealed up, wrong teachings can and will creep into the church.

Yes, the Bible was sealed for a period. These things must pass so that God will have a remnant to save in the last-day. The Truth will expose the antichrist and false prophet in the last-day, this said, they are already here.

There must be an awakening of knowledge in the last-day for this to be possible as prophecy claims. It's also noted by Bible scholars that the information that is revealed in the last-day is extremely controversial among the world population. The majority refuses to accept the truth.

This said, how would we then expect for the Book of Daniel and Revelation to be unsealed? When will we see the so-called "Sunday-Law Crisis" hit? When will we see the mass persecution and genocide that the son of perdition executes in the last-day? When will we see the increase of knowledge after the Seals are opened? And when does the world expect these mysteries to be revealed? Who is the son of perdition? There remains many unanswered questions and I see that the world is not ready to receive the truth.

God must create a filtering system so to separate wheat from tares in the last-day. Timing is critical for God to reveal Himself to the world. Prophecy says that we should be expecting God, right? How should God present the Truth so to inform His remnant to save them? The remnant is said to be the house of Judah who are saved out of Israel because not all of Israel is Israel, God said!

There's a lot to consider and all of the puzzle pieces must be on the table in order to assemble the complete picture. The devil mixes puzzle pieces from other puzzles just to confuse. satan confounds minds, and God is not the author of confusion. His remnant will know Him and they will have His Testimony, which is the Truth that makes a space in time for to save a remnant. The time is now. Some shall understand and some shall not understand, Daniel says.

 

[Godcreatedsteve]

I think God sealed up the bible for a purpose. In the last days, false prophets and false teachers and the anti-christ will spring up. If the bible is not sealed up, wrong teachings can and will creep into the church.

Heaven forbid that the living Spirit of Christ would creep into a legalistic church that's become famous for it's bigotry, greed, and hypocrisy.

 

[ebedmelech]

I would say it's pretty clear at the end of Revelation that the next thing to come is the end...so I don't see the need of additional Revelation:

Rev 22:10, 11
And he *said to me, “ Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.”

I know there are those who differ on eschatology, but it's my view that we're in the millennial reign of Christ right now. It started when Christ said "the ruler of this world has been judged "(Satan), in John 16:5-11

But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘ Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

 

[OzSpen]

I would say it's pretty clear at the end of Revelation that the next thing to come is the end...so I don't see the need of additional Revelation:

Rev 22:10, 11
And he *said to me, “ Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.”

The problem with that line of thinking is that it contradicts what the Scriptures state:

What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up (1 Cor 14:26 NIV).

This is what should happen when the contemporary church gathers. Everyone ought to be given the opportunity to minister in the gifts of the Spirit. And have a guess what? One of those spiritual gives is "revelation". The continuing gift of revelation is what should happen when the church gathers.

Now that would be a stopper for much of one-way communication that we experience today.

Oz

 

[ebedmelech]

The problem with that line of thinking is that it contradicts what the Scriptures state:

This is what should happen when the contemporary church gathers. Everyone ought to be given the opportunity to minister in the gifts of the Spirit. And have a guess what? One of those spiritual gives is "revelation". The continuing gift of revelation is what should happen when the church gathers.

Now that would be a stopper for much of one-way communication that we experience today.

Oz

I don't think it disagrees at all. We're not speaking of the Apostles here. These are people in the Church at Corinth and Paul gives them clear instructions to exercise their gifts.

1 Cor 14:26
What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

This addressed the folly of the church's practices. If everyone is exercising gifts then no one is edified. So Paul gives them instruction:

For speaking in tongues - 1 Cor 14:27, 28
If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.

For Prophesying - 1 Cor 14:29-33
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

Everything said had to be judged as to if it was truth. Today truth in what is said is judge by the scripture.

So unless I see someone come today with the miracles of the Apostles like Paul & Peter...where simply bringing a cloth that they had touched brought healing, then they have no authority to give me a message from God.

 

[OzSpen]

Everything said had to be judged as to if it was truth. Today truth in what is said is judge by the scripture.

So unless I see someone come today with the miracles of the Apostles like Paul & Peter...where simply bringing a cloth that they had touched brought healing, then they have no authority to give me a message from God.

However, what happens through the gifts of the Spirit does not come with the divine stamp of truth when compared with the Scriptures. However, it is true that these gifts happen for the edification of the church.

So are you saying that this information about Jesus appearing supernaturally to Muslims through dreams is fake? See HERE.

St. Augustine changed his mind about supernatural divine healing after he saw God's supernatural intervention. I have written this article about it: "St Augustine: The man who changed his mind about divine healing".

What needs to happen for you to be able to verify that it is real or fake?

Oz

 

[rdcast]

In the original format of this thread, it mentions God's seal of approval for what we refer to as "Holy Scripture". There has never been such a thing. Fact being, we live by faith. It is our faith that approves all scripture, for which we will be judged.

 

[ebedmelech]

However, what happens through the gifts of the Spirit does not come with the divine stamp of truth when compared with the Scriptures. However, it is true that these gifts happen for the edification of the church.

So are you saying that this information about Jesus appearing supernaturally to Muslims through dreams is fake? See HERE.

St. Augustine changed his mind about supernatural divine healing after he saw God's supernatural intervention. I have written this article about it: "St Augustine: The man who changed his mind about divine healing".

What needs to happen for you to be able to verify that it is real or fake?

Oz

Oz,
I wouldn't say I challenge the muslim's experience...that is a personal dream and it led to his conversion. Perhaps he was searching and God gave him that dream.

Also I didn't deny any healing. It's my firm belief that God heals supernaturally.

 

[OzSpen]

In the original format of this thread, it mentions God's seal of approval for what we refer to as "Holy Scripture". There has never been such a thing. Fact being, we live by faith. It is our faith that approves all scripture, for which we will be judged.

From where did you get your information about Jesus so that you could affirm your faith?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Oz,
I wouldn't say I challenge the muslim's experience...that is a personal dream and it led to his conversion. Perhaps he was searching and God gave him that dream.

Also I didn't deny any healing. It's my firm belief that God heals supernaturally.

Do you mean supernaturally without medicine or a doctor?

Oz

 

[rdcast]

From where did you get your information about Jesus so that you could affirm your faith?

Oz

ah, you try to blow my mind Oz, not a significant achievement.

Only one source could I confirm my gift of faith

The deadly void I found myself, not having found Him

 

[ebedmelech]

Do you mean supernaturally without medicine or a doctor?

Oz

Absolutely!

But let us not think doctors aren't a gift from God. It is God who gives knowledge...it's mankind that abuses knowledge.

 

[rdcast]

Absolutely!

But let us not think doctors aren't a gift from God. It is God who gives knowledge...it's mankind that abuses knowledge.

none of my doctors are a gift from anyone.

 

[OzSpen]

ah, you try to blow my mind Oz, not a significant achievement.

Only one source could I confirm my gift of faith

The deadly void I found myself, not having found Him

I thought that it might come through some ethereal experience of existential mysticism.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Absolutely!

But let us not think doctors aren't a gift from God. It is God who gives knowledge...it's mankind that abuses knowledge.

Agreed! I have benefitted greatly from this medical knowledge as I have had 4 mitral valve replacement surgeries of the heart since 1983. I just about look like warfarin.

Oz

 

[ebedmelech]

Agreed! I have benefitted greatly from this medical knowledge as I have had 4 mitral valve replacement surgeries of the heart since 1983. I just about look like warfarin.

Oz

Praise the Lord fort hat

 

[rdcast]

I thought that it might come through some ethereal experience of existential mysticism.

Oz

I figured u were being cunning, but in a way only God wold approve