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Purple Hearts in Vietnam were a dime a dozen, given out too freely in my view. Kerry is the perfect example.
I guess degrading the honor of every Purple Heart recipient from the Vietman era is OK as long as it's makes a Democrat look bad.
 
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Purple Hearts in Vietnam were a dime a dozen, given out too freely in my view.

From the Purple Heart website.

"The United States Purple Heart is one of the most prestigious awards given to military men and women who suffer from injuries while engaging an enemy."

Each time Kerry was given a Purple Heart, it was due to an injury when engaged in combat with enemies, which is the exact criteria.

How was the Purple Heart given out too freely?
 
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From the Purple Heart website.

"The United States Purple Heart is one of the most prestigious awards given to military men and women who suffer from injuries while engaging an enemy."
What would you expect the website to say? Kerry proves my point by getting Purple Hearts for extremely questionable wounds, noting that at least during the Vietnam era a soldier could put himself in for the Purple Heart, as Kerry seems to have done.

Each time Kerry was given a Purple Heart, it was due to an injury when engaged in combat with enemies, which is the exact criteria.
Very questionable injuries. Real heroes, like Oliver North, rejected the third Purple Heart to avoid transfer.
How was the Purple Heart given out too freely?
John Kerry's are the perfect example.
 
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I'm not aware of any Navy SEALS who have cracked under the strain. Do you have some more information on that?

I have no doubt that there are plenty of things in the world that you're not aware of --

PTSD: An Unseen Yet Real Battle Wound | Navy SEALs Blog by USNavySEALs.com

San Diego naval hospital testing unusual PTSD treatment - Los Angeles Times

"I see Marines, SEALs, Green Berets — the toughest men on earth — and they still have PTSD," McLay said.
 
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What would you expect the website to say? Kerry proves my point by getting Purple Hearts for extremely questionable wounds, noting that at least during the Vietnam era a soldier could put himself in for the Purple Heart, as Kerry seems to have done.

Why were his wounds questionable?
 
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Interesting, however I think I will skip reading this book. Books like these are only intended to be read as part of the campaign year in which they are published. I think I will also skip this discussion unless by chance Kerry is running again for president.
 
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You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes, I do. But to begin note I said "traditionally", meaning I am not talking about all liberals, just the liberal mindset in general. The same is true of my follow on comments.

In questions of foreign relations many liberals will not only voice opposition to Americas policies, but champion the foreign opinion. When the US invaded Iraq we were all supposed to be concerned with what France thought.

The New York Times will go into excruciating detail about how the US fights the war on terror, even disclosing secretive information, and then wail about intelligence failures if terrorist successfully carry out an attack.

Liberal professors will pontificate on the immorality of American military policy in math classes.

Enemy combatants captured on the battlefield are given constitutional rights, even though they are not citizens and were actively engaged in combat against US troops.

Traditionally many American liberals believe that American military power is used only in colonialist endeavors, preying upon the poor masses in third world countries in order to make people like Dick Cheney rich. We are bullies, and thus the militant Islamist are justified in hating us. Because if we were not so powerful, they wouldn't hate us. Therefore we shouldn't be so powerful. That is one reason why each and every time federal spending cuts are discussed, the first area many liberals will scream about slashing is Defense.

After 9-11 many liberals called for non-response. Michael Moore took greater offense at President Bush's not immediately running out of an elementary classroom then he did the terrorist attack itself.

A viewpoint often promoted by liberal pundits is that fighting terrorism is a waste of time because killing terrorist only leads to creating more terrorist. By that logic I should never cut my fingernails again, but I digress.

During the Iraq war many liberals chanted slogans such as "war for oil" or "no blood for oil" while simultaneously blaming Bush for higher gas prices. If only gas prices were still at the levels they were during the Bush years, but again I digress.

Many liberals bemoaned the unilateral nature of our combat operations in Iraq, ignoring the fact there were, over the time of the war, some 30 different nations supporting operations there.

A film such as "Act of Valor" will be released, a film which portrayed US servicemen as something other than maniacal baby-killing war criminals, and liberal critics will wail about it.

Source: Liberal Movie Critics Decry Pro-Military, Pro-American ‘Act of Valor’ | NewsBusters.org

In response to the slaughter in Syria, what do many liberals call for? I found this posted on Wordpress:

A Liberal Case Against Military Intervention in Syria

"Where does that leave me? In Jillian York’s words, “I am an observer of tragedy.” I am convinced that the proper course of action for the U.S. government is to continue to encourage and engage in diplomacy aimed at stopping the killing of civilians and encouraging political change in Syria that will respond to the just demands of the resisters. I realize that might not work, and that the Assad regime may kill thousands more civilians as diplomacy founders. I realize that, but I do not see a better alternative."

Source: A Liberal Case Against Military Intervention in Syria « Dart-Throwing Chimp

I find that personally insulting. Liberals have traditionally served their country with distinction.

My comment was not directed personally at you. I did not call anyone by name. I used the word "traditionally", which of course allows for exceptions.

It was bunk. The people who actually served with Kerry, on his boat thought the world of him. The others didn't like Kerry's anti war stance when he got out so they made up a bunch of unsupported lies to try to discredit him.

The book was very detailed and sourced. Kerry lied, just as he did in front of the commitee in 1971.

"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

Source: John Kerry's 1971 Congressional Testimony on National Review Online

Bottom line is Kerry was put in harms way, and served under fire. We never used to criticize our vets for doing that. Not until the neo-cons came along.

We criticize them when they lie about it. Dan Rather promoted a fabricated story about President Bush and his National Guard service, and most liberals bought into it with little opposition voiced.

May I remind you of the SWIFTBOAT ad which the Right took out against Kerry in 2004?

Here is one of those ads:

Swiftboat Veterans Ad on John Kerry - Any Questions (2004) - YouTube

The swiftboat veterans put that ad out, not the right in general.

That was an appalling case where people on the right actively denigrated a PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT!

Those guys were there. I would take their combined word over Kerry's.

Your point now stands as hypocritical.

And why is that?

I guess degrading the honor of every Purple Heart recipient from the Vietman era is OK as long as it's makes a Democrat look bad.

I did not see where anyone degraded the honor of every purple heart recipient from the Vietnam era.
 
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Interesting, however I think I will skip reading this book. Books like these are only intended to be read as part of the campaign year in which they are published. I think I will also skip this discussion unless by chance Kerry is running again for president.

It'll definitely go on my fiction list.
 
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Your choice, however it would seem odd to comment on claims made in a book when you haven't read it.

On a side note, most people who hate Rush Limbaugh have never listened to his show.
 
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Scratches for which he didn't even miss any duty? Do you think getting a band-aid is worthy of the supposedly prestigious Purple Heart.?

The award isn't based on the severity off the wound. Only that it was sustained during combat. What's the problem here?
 
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Traditionally many American liberals believe that American military power is used only in colonialist endeavors, preying upon the poor masses in third world countries in order to make people like Dick Cheney rich. We are bullies, and thus the militant Islamist are justified in hating us. Because if we were not so powerful, they wouldn't hate us. Therefore we shouldn't be so powerful. That is one reason why each and every time federal spending cuts are discussed, the first area many liberals will scream about slashing is Defense.

I love it when people tell other people what they believe and get less than 0.001 percent of it in the ballpark of being somewhat accurate.
 
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Liberal professors will pontificate on the immorality of American military policy in math classes.
My guess is that you have never been to college. I never had one professor pontificate on the immorality of the American military nor have ever had a profressor speak that far off topic in.

I did not see where anyone degraded the honor of every purple heart recipient from the Vietnam era.
Mach stated Purple Hearts were a dime a dozen is Vietnam. That degrades the meaning of the award and therefore the honor of all who have recieved it.
 
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The award isn't based on the severity off the wound. Only that it was sustained during combat. What's the problem here?
When you get a Purple Heart for a scratch that requires only a band-aid, it cheapens the medal.
 
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