Why hijab in Islam?

[Supreme]

And it depends on which Muslims you ask. Bosnian Muslims and Saudi Muslims have really different views on what constitutes "private" parts.

Very true. I remember that Saudi scholar who said that women should only ever unveil one eye in the burqa, because two eyes would be too seductive. And being seductive, some poor man may take it upon himself to sexually assault the woman, of no fault of his own.

 

[amorly]

Hijab is an obligation and a necessity for every Muslim woman
In order to protect them from any harm or assault
Veiled women that encourages you to respect them
Women dressed in scandalous
Encourage you to consider it rudely
And access to
The assault
For perverts
And their number many
in Communities

Regardless of the laws​

yes
The man also
Must be inside
Honor, integrity
And high morals
But
Women are the other half to the man
For adornment and should not be blatant
Her clothes and entice men gross
Because the man
Humans is in the first place
He has feelings and sensations
We can not deny.


Veil
Prevents bad ideas

-In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every 6 minutes
Western society
Full of adultery, betrayal, sexual harassment and illegitimate children and family disintegration

إن نساء العجم يكشفن صدورهن ورءوسهن قال أصرف بصرك عنهن )) رواه الإمام البخاري





Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
Constitution and the methodology for life
Of the application and implementation
At home benefit in this life and the afterlife
Muslim does not go on the fancies
But
The commands of God in the first place
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(59) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful






In ignorance
Hijab for women with high-Shan
Housemaid did not wear veil to signify that a simple


Veil something basically
Not only in Islam
But
In Judaism and Christianity also
By interpolating

‫النقاب كانت تلبسه أميرات أوروبا‬‎ - YouTube

Song of Solomon 4 "How beautiful you are, my darling! Oh, how beautiful! Your eyes behind..." NIV - Online Bible Study

Covering of the eyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

וּלְשָׂרָה אָמַר, הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי אֶלֶף כֶּסֶף לְאָחִיךְ--הִנֵּה הוּא-לָךְ כְּסוּת עֵינַיִם, לְכֹל אֲשֶׁר אִתָּךְ; וְאֵת כֹּל, וְנֹכָחַת

"And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved" Genesis 20:16

Tzniut - Jewish Modesty: then and now - YouTube

http://www.12allchat.com/chatters/do.php?img=143939

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...18720282_159859037396787_414611_7626199_n.jpg
There are many legitimate points about the Veil
God willing,
Will talk about
Wait



Thanks to those who talk about the veil in decent
This is your kindness

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Hijab is an obligation and a necessity for every Muslim woman
In order to protect them from any harm or assault
Veiled women that encourages you to respect them
Women dressed in scandalous
Encourage you to consider it rudely
And access to
The assault
For perverts
And their number many
in Communities

Regardless of the laws​

yes
The man also
Must be inside
Honor, integrity
And high morals
But
Women are the other half to the man
For adornment and should not be blatant
Her clothes and entice men gross
Because the man
Humans is in the first place
He has feelings and sensations
We can not deny.


Veil
Prevents bad ideas

-In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every 6 minutes
Western society
Full of adultery, betrayal, sexual harassment and illegitimate children and family disintegration

إن نساء العجم يكشفن صدورهن ورءوسهن قال أصرف بصرك عنهن )) رواه الإمام البخاري





Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
Constitution and the methodology for life
Of the application and implementation
At home benefit in this life and the afterlife
Muslim does not go on the fancies
But
The commands of God in the first place
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(59) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful






In ignorance
Hijab for women with high-Shan
Housemaid did not wear veil to signify that a simple


Veil something basically
Not only in Islam
But
In Judaism and Christianity also
By interpolating

‫النقاب كانت تلبسه أميرات أوروبا‬‎ - YouTube

Song of Solomon 4 "How beautiful you are, my darling! Oh, how beautiful! Your eyes behind..." NIV - Online Bible Study

Covering of the eyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

וּלְשָׂרָה אָמַר, הִנֵּה נָתַתִּי אֶלֶף כֶּסֶף לְאָחִיךְ--הִנֵּה הוּא-לָךְ כְּסוּת עֵינַיִם, לְכֹל אֲשֶׁר אִתָּךְ; וְאֵת כֹּל, וְנֹכָחַת

"And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved" Genesis 20:16

Tzniut - Jewish Modesty: then and now - YouTube

http://www.12allchat.com/chatters/do.php?img=143939

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...18720282_159859037396787_414611_7626199_n.jpg
There are many legitimate points about the Veil
God willing,
Will talk about
Wait



Thanks to those who talk about the veil in decent
This is your kindness

You make it sound like Muslim cultures produce men who can't control their sexual attractions unless women wear blankets to keep men from being turned on.


Oh, wait.

 

[fschmidt]

Thank you amorly for your posts. It is too bad that only Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and a few sects of Christianity have retained this wisdom. As you well know, the liberals posting to this forum are part of a rapidly declining culture that will soon be gone (in this century) due to their moral decadence. I hope that the moral religions see the common enemy of liberalism. Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and truly conservative Christianity have a lot in common and should support each other.

 

[Booko]

You know I have never noticed men wearing tight pants or miniskirts in church.

Neither have I. Neither have I seen women do that since the 60s. What's your point?

I wonder why. Could it be because the sexes are different?

In other words, you have nothing at all to say to disprove what I said about the history of pants being anything but male garments.

If you had any evidence you would've simply presented it instead of doing the dodge and weave.

The issue of this thread is modesty, not pants, and for whatever reason, it seems to be a much bigger problem with women than with men.

Oh yes, because obviously there's something wrong with women. We're just evil foul temptresses and all that. And men are apparently unable to control themselves and that's all women's fault.

I'm assuming that's actually not what you meant, but I have certainly heard it from others...it's been said for centuries now. Millennia even.

The time for that attitude is long gone. Modesty is important -- for both genders. And finger-pointing never got anyone anywhere, oh, except for half of humanity being held back.

 

[Booko]

Generally work for what? What is the objective?

Generally speaking so people do not view others as sexual objects, but rather look at things like character and the spiritual nature of others.

And let's face it, sex drives are pretty strong and can be pretty darned disruptive. It doesn't mean everyone needs to be locked in a box, but the fact that virtually all cultures have people wearing some clothing might just indicate there's some utility in it.

Oh...and pockets of course.

 

[Booko]

Btw, some arabic tribes were using hijab before muhammad.

Precisely the point my Bosnian Muslim friend advanced as part of her argument -- it's a cultural holdover.

 

[Booko]

Very true. I remember that Saudi scholar who said that women should only ever unveil one eye in the burqa, because two eyes would be too seductive. And being seductive, some poor man may take it upon himself to sexually assault the woman, of no fault of his own.

Funny! I hadn't heard that before.

Apparently the Muslims in Bosnia have been visited by Wahabi Muslims from Saudi...and the Wahabis were pretty much told to go home..that would be putting it nicely, I think.

 

[fschmidt]

Neither have I. Neither have I seen women do that since the 60s. What's your point?

Then you are going to an unusually good church. My point is that in most churches, a fair percentage of women dress immodestly, but this is almost never a problem with men.

In other words, you have nothing at all to say to disprove what I said about the history of pants being anything but male garments.

That's correct. The issue doesn't interest me.

Oh yes, because obviously there's something wrong with women. We're just evil foul temptresses and all that. And men are apparently unable to control themselves and that's all women's fault.

The time for that attitude is long gone. Modesty is important -- for both genders. And finger-pointing never got anyone anywhere, oh, except for half of humanity being held back.

Modern women are one of the most inconsiderate groups of people in human history. They can't be bothered to concern themselves with considering the feelings of men. Modesty is important for both genders but in modern times it seems to primarily be a problem for women who seem to derive their entire self worth from flaunting their bodies in public.

 

[Booko]

Hijab is an obligation and a necessity for every Muslim woman
In order to protect them from any harm or assault
Veiled women that encourages you to respect them

Amorly, truly I can see how at some times this would make sense.

But these days we have cops and men really can be expected to control themselves.

Women dressed in scandalous

What is the teaching of Islam about men covering their heads, as you understand it?

I know in some cultures where Islam was the religion removing another man's head covering was beyond rude, and appearing in public with a bare head was cause for great shame.

-In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every 6 minutes

Amorly, women get raped at the same rate no matter whether they are dressed modestly or not. Rape is not about sex it is about power.

For example, one of the kids I went to school with in my teens was arrested at 18 after having raped a 16-year old and a 70-year old woman.

You can't tell me he raped a 70-year old woman because she looked too sexy.

Western society
Full of adultery, betrayal, sexual harassment and illegitimate children and family disintegration

Yes, well I wouldn't disagree with that. And there's a definite link between children in poverty and family disintegration.

Veil something basically
Not only in Islam
But
In Judaism and Christianity also

Traditionally it has been, yes. It's only recently that both men and women in the West have stopped wearing headcoverings. Even as late as the 1960s a well-dressed woman wore a hat and gloves in public.

Thanks to those who talk about the veil in decent
This is your kindness

I am happy to explore subjects like modesty, though on the subject of veils you must understand we are not likely to agree that women need to wear them now. Though if a woman is Muslim and believes that's what her religions says, far be it from me to tell her she should not. But I am not Muslim and my religion does not require it.

In fact one of the greatest heroes of the early day of our faith was a woman named Tahirih, who was known for her great purity, but removed her veil in public as a demonstration of the idea that Islamic law was now abrogated.

Obviously as you are a Muslim you will not agree with this, but I hope we may disagree agreeably at least.

Before Tahirih was martyred she said, "You can kill me anytime you like, but you cannot stop the emancipation of women."

It would seem she was right about that, though some parts of the world are getting a bit of a late start on things. But they will catch up, and who knows? Perhaps they will manage to do so without tossing out all notion of modesty but rather apply the idea equally to men and to women..for a change.

 

[Rationalt]

peace be upon you

The imposition of the veil to the rule of God and the secrets of great, and commendable virtues, and the goals and the interests of large, including:

First: Remember Width: Veil guard to save the legitimacy of the symptoms, and the payment of the reasons for suspicion and strife and corruption.

Seems the auto translator messed up.Cannot comment on this.

Second: purity of heart: a farewell to the purity of the veil hearts of the believers, men and women, and architecture piety, and to maximize privacy. And sincerity of God - the Almighty - {that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts}.

Purity of Hearts ?.No clue what you are talking about.

How on earth enslaving women and using them as sex slaves contributes to purity is beyond my understanding.


If the subject is about purity of "Muslim women" i dont see any evidence for that in Quran or Hadith(Muhammad's actions).

Let us see some quran verses about women(With emphasis on purity.

Quran 002.223 Your women are a tilth for you[ (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will.

My comment:Purity of tilth ?..

Divorced women cannot rejoin her husband unless another man Tastes her sweetness.Now, that is some nice way of ensuring purity of women .


quran 2:230:And if he hath divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she hath wedded another husband. Then if he (the other husband) divorce her it is no sin for both of them that they come together again

Explanation of this verse in various hadiths:
one sample:

Volume 7, Book 63, Number 238:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Rifa'a Al-Qurazi married a lady and then divorced her whereupon she married another man. She came to the Prophet and said that her new husband did not approach her, and that he was completely impotent. The Prophet said (to her), "No (you cannot remarry your first husband) till you taste the second husband and he tastes you (i.e. till he consummates his marriage with you)."

Third, good manners: the veil is to provide an advocate morals of chastity and modesty and shyness, jealousy, and the blocking of of pollution and depravity

This is ofcourse necessary to keep wives in check since the husband can enjoy with 3 more wives and "slave women".

Fourth, a sign of the chaste: the veil on the sign of the legitimacy of Silks chaste in their chastity and honor, and the distance from the impurity of suspicion and doubt: { (59) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful }, and the apparent evidence of Salah Salah al-Batin,


Fifth: cutting ambitions and Discussion diabolical: the veil and prevention of social harm, diseases of the hearts of men and women, cut off further ambitions promiscuous, and keeps eyes treacherous, and pay the harm a man in his presentation, and harm women in the view, and male relative, and prevention of throwing chaste , and desecrated the suspicion and doubt, and other passing thoughts diabolical.

Sixth: Remember modesty: it is taken from life, there is no life without him, which create deposited God in the soul that he wanted - Almighty - honored, also cause the virtues, and pay in the faces of vices, one of the human characteristics, and qualities of instinct, and the creation of Islam, and modesty is a branch of people of faith, one of the qualities of Mahmoud endorsed by the Arabs and Islam and called for by the veil only effective way to save the modesty, and take off take off the veil of modesty.

Seventh: The veil prevents the wanton display and unveiling the influence of mixing and communities to the people of Islam.

Eighth: the veil immunity against adultery, inappropriate contentography, so that the women of each vessel and clear.

IX: Women roughness, and the veil cover her, and that of piety, God said: (26) O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember. . Al-Araf (The Heights) } (custom / 26).

Ten: Remember jealousy

I cannot go through rest of this stupid auto translator.

 

[Rationalt]

Precisely the point my Bosnian Muslim friend advanced as part of her argument -- it's a cultural holdover.

Allah of Quran is the one who is holding that culture .

had you reproduced my post in it's entirety (before making your supposed point) this point would have been obvious to you.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

You have to marvel at a cultural sphere that sexualizes the female body to the point where the very sight of her hair can pose a threat to onlookers.

Oh, sure, American culture isn't exactly mature as far as separating nudity from sexuality is concerned, either, treating the sight of female breasts like a fourteen-year-old boy would, but it's still not as insane as the Islamic sphere.

How many muslim believe that women in the west are raped by the hundreds each day, all because they are so foolish as to dress indecently and leave the house without a male protector?

Islam is HILARIOUSLY hypersexualized.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Another thing that needs to be pointed out:

Exactly what qualifies as modest and what qualifies as nudity is *entirely* arbitrary, and differs greatly from culture to culture.

There's a nice graphic in a cultural anthropology textbook I've read, but I couldn't find it online:

An African woman and a European woman are standing right across from each other.

The European woman wears a suit with a knee-length shirt, the African a traditional garb that completely covers her legs, while her breasts are uncovered.
The African stares at the exposed legs of the European, and the European stares at the African's breasts while both think: "Oh my goodness, that woman is NUDE! Do they have no SHAME?"

 

[BruceDLimber]

Modern women are one of the most inconsiderate groups of people in human history.

I'm sure they rank right up there with people stupid enough to post knee-jerk condemnations of all liberals. :-(


Bruce

 

[amorly]

Thank you amorly for your posts. It is too bad that only Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and a few sects of Christianity have retained this wisdom. As you well know, the liberals posting to this forum are part of a rapidly declining culture that will soon be gone (in this century) due to their moral decadence. I hope that the moral religions see the common enemy of liberalism. Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and truly conservative Christianity have a lot in common and should support each other.

This is for your kindness

Yes you're right

Islam, Christianity and Judaism
Of one source

allah

But
Any person who is on the whims do not care about the words of God

 

[roseglass6370]

I'll agree that Western women tend to overdo it a lot in terms of dressing immodestly.

Let's be honest: men are far more visual when it comes to sexual stimulation. It's nature, it's biology. Knowing this, it is really pretty messed up for women to flaunt themselves about in front of men wearing next to nothing. Yes, men should be responsible for their actions. Yes, men should not objectify women. But it makes it incredibly hard for them to do such things when an incredibly attractive woman is bending over in front of a man in a string bikini. That's like setting a cupcake in front of a four year old and expecting him not try some of the icing (i.e. expecting the man not to think impure thoughts or stare.) I'm not saying men should make excuses for bad conduct - but we women should do what we can not to encourage it.

Do I think hijabs are overdoing it? In Western cultures, probably. I don't know many Western men who get aroused just by looking at a woman's hair. But making an active effort not to flaunt our bodies about in a culturally appropriate context should be a goal. It really is a cultural issue. In the West, wearing a low cut shirt and short-shorts seems to cause issues for a lot of men when it comes to impure thoughts. I try to respect that. In Africa, maybe its showing off one's legs. They should respect that. Just use your common sense.

Also, for goodness sake, ladies have some self-respect. It's not just about men. We should have enough self-respect to dress in ways that don't just highlight our bodies but lend credence to our intelligence and personality too.

 

[amorly]

-Imposition of the veil, such as prayer and fasting .... And so on
There is no freedom left in the commands of God
The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The 'hijaab' or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the 'subjugation' of women under Islamic law. Before we analyze the reasoning behind the religiously mandated 'hijaab', let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam.

1. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

1. Babylonian Civilization:

The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.

2. Greek Civilization:

Greek Civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very 'glorious' system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an 'imaginary woman' called 'Pandora' is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.

3. Roman Civilization:

When Roman Civilization was at the zenith of its 'glory', a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.

4. Egyptian Civilization:

The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.

5. Pre-Islamic Arabia:

Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon women and very often when a female child was born, she was buried alive.

2. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status

Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.


for men-

People usually only discuss 'hijaab' in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur'an, Allah (swt) first mentions 'hijaab' for men before 'hijaab' for the women. The Qur'an mentions in Surah An Noor:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."

[Al Qur'an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.



Terms Islamic hijab


?! :


A: The Islamic hijab must meet the 8 conditions as the scholars said, are:
1 - Not to be a garment of fame.
2 - and that is not brazen thin (ie, should not be transparent).
3 - and that covers her all the body except his face palms.
4 - and that is not in itself a decoration.
5 - and not to be embodied for the body (ie, should not be tight).
6 - and should not be perfumed with bakhoor.
7 - and that does not resemble the clothing of the man.
8 - Finally, that does not resemble the dress of kaafir women.


‫أحمد ديدات سؤال عن الحجاب‬‎ - YouTube

 

[amorly]

I'll agree that Western women tend to overdo it a lot in terms of dressing immodestly.

Let's be honest: men are far more visual when it comes to sexual stimulation. It's nature, it's biology. Knowing this, it is really pretty messed up for women to flaunt themselves about in front of men wearing next to nothing. Yes, men should be responsible for their actions. Yes, men should not objectify women. But it makes it incredibly hard for them to do such things when an incredibly attractive woman is bending over in front of a man in a string bikini. That's like setting a cupcake in front of a four year old and expecting him not try some of the icing (i.e. expecting the man not to think impure thoughts or stare.) I'm not saying men should make excuses for bad conduct - but we women should do what we can not to encourage it.

Do I think hijabs are overdoing it? In Western cultures, probably. I don't know many Western men who get aroused just by looking at a woman's hair. But making an active effort not to flaunt our bodies about in a culturally appropriate context should be a goal. It really is a cultural issue. In the West, wearing a low cut shirt and short-shorts seems to cause issues for a lot of men when it comes to impure thoughts. I try to respect that. In Africa, maybe its showing off one's legs. They should respect that. Just use your common sense.

Also, for goodness sake, ladies have some self-respect. It's not just about men. We should have enough self-respect to dress in ways that don't just highlight our bodies but lend credence to our intelligence and personality too.

Your worss great
Mind of an informed

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

My point is that in most churches, a fair percentage of women dress immodestly, but this is almost never a problem with men.

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, you're holding them to a different standard?
I mean: do them men in your community run around in loose-fitting clothes designed to hide the contours of their bodies? What about their hair? Do they cover it? Do you expect women to do so?