Marijuana to smoke or not to smoke

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I've felt that marijuana made me more vulnerable to the enemy when I smoked it. I don't wish to go into detail here, but I don't like anything to do with hallucinogenics.

It does make you vulnerable, btw even though it's enlisted as a hallucinogenics it's not most people make stuff up in their mind on the first times.
 
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You kidding? I am defiantly trying not to promote marijuana use but marijuana for me did not strain my family relationship in my past. What strains relationships is the sinful lifestyles kid's these days think they have to praticpate in. Also Marijuana does nothing to the mind once your off of it, I do not know about very very long term effects but their was a quote by someone that went like this. "Lady: Well my brother does Marijuana and hes an idiot and has no job and is lazy and in jail now because of marijuana. Comedian: Maybe it's not that marijuana maybe your brother is just an idiot. It's god missing from the picture not the marijuana doing the harm. Obviously doing marijuana shows your distance from God.
My many years of counselling, including counselling for a drug rehabilitation agency, confirms that dangers of marijuana use and what it does on the individual and in relationships.

I've also done the research. See, 'summary of marijuana effects', that I have compiled.

In your posts you do seem to want to minimise some of the effects of marijuana use.

Sincerely, Oz
 
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My many years of counselling, including counselling for a drug rehabilitation agency, confirms that dangers of marijuana use and what it does on the individual and in relationships.

I've also done the research, that I have compiled.

In your posts you do seem to want to minimise some of the effects of marijuana use.

Sincerely, Oz

I suppose since I can only speak for myself and some old friends I have had. I think if the person was doing it regularly it can strain on your family or relationships only because your acting different and trying to avoid them knowing you are high. Sometimes when people are on it they do not want to be bothered and be alone. Which is not really good.

I think anyone doing marijuana is a deceived person in the first place. Of coarse people can sin and smoke marijuana and be forgiven but when your doing it regularly and know it, it's wrong.

It's a controversial subject alot of people think it's ok to smoke as a christian but I think it's very wrong, so obviously we can agree marijuana has horrible social and physical effects.
 
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Based on the posts ive read I'm curious, if it ceased to be illegal, would there then cease to be any biblical argument against it?

Is it against the law?

Enough said the Bible is clear that we should follow the laws that are placed over us unless they go against God. And last time I checked not being able to smoke pot didn't go against God so the law wins on this one follow it.


Marijuana is Sinful. It's Sorcery.. Sorcery is Sin.
 
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I suppose since I can only speak for myself and some old friends I have had. I think if the person was doing it regularly it can strain on your family or relationships only because your acting different and trying to avoid them knowing you are high. Sometimes when people are on it they do not want to be bothered and be alone. Which is not really good.

I think anyone doing marijuana is a deceived person in the first place. Of coarse people can sin and smoke marijuana and be forgiven but when your doing it regularly and know it, it's wrong.

It's a controversial subject alot of people think it's ok to smoke as a christian but I think it's very wrong, so obviously we can agree marijuana has horrible social and physical effects.
It also has horrible psychological effects as the studies on mental illness associated with marijuana use demonstrate.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the marijuana itself... it is the purpose of the use that should be in question.

Genesis 1 makes it clear that vegetation and fruit bearing seed is good, and marijuana undoubtedly falls into this category.

There are many that believe that its use was widespread, especially in oils, throughout the history of the Bible.

I say all of that to say this: it's not as black and white as some of us try and make it out to be.

Just my opinion. Don't stone me for it. (pun intended). =)
 
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Now some people do benefit from medical marijuana and, where it is legal, I think its perfectly acceptable for those people to use it. Other than that though, stay away.
If they " benefit" by being high, then I guess they benefit. But there is no evidence whatsoever that marijuana has any medicinal value other than as a regenerator of an appetite, which often disappears when taking certain cancer medications. It is just as easily accomplished through simply deciding you are going to eat, even if not apparently hungry.
Based on the posts ive read I'm curious, if it ceased to be illegal, would there then cease to be any biblical argument against it?
Not in my opinion. Tobacco and alcohol are legal too, but the prohibition against polluting the temple of God should be sufficient to keep it in the "don't do it" territory of Christianity.
 
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Based on the posts ive read I'm curious, if it ceased to be illegal, would there then cease to be any biblical argument against it?

I don't think there is anything wrong with the marijuana itself... it is the purpose of the use that should be in question.

Genesis 1 makes it clear that vegetation and fruit bearing seed is good, and marijuana undoubtedly falls into this category.

There are many that believe that its use was widespread, especially in oils, throughout the history of the Bible.

I say all of that to say this: it's not as black and white as some of us try and make it out to be.

Just my opinion. Don't stone me for it. (pun intended). =)

Marijuana is sorcery - intoxicating.. Sorcery is Sin.
 
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Scripture reference needed.

The Book of the Revelation says no sorcerers can enter God's kingdom.

Revelation 21:8 ..word for sorcerers in Greek there is "pharmakeus", definition:

1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer


1 Corinthians 6:10 ....word for drunkards there is "Methysos", definition:

1) drunken, intoxicated


Also, anything put above God is an Idol. If we use Marijuana as a source of peace etc, then it's Idolatrous.





The Greek word “pharmakia” literally means “drugs”, and appears five times in the New Testament: in Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, 18:23, 21:8, and 22:15.

“Pharmakia” is translated into our English Bible as either “witchcraft” or “sorceries”. We also get our English word “pharmacy” from the Greek word “pharmakia”.

In each of the above five passages, “pharmakia”, or “drugs” is listed as a work of the flesh of man as opposed to the Spirit of God working in us.

For example, Gal 5:16-23 in the KJV:

16 “[This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft (“pharmakia” or drug use), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance (self control) : against such there is no law.”

The King James Bible translators translated “pharmakia” as “witchcraft”, because almost no one but witches and sorcerers used drugs 400 years ago. Drugs were most commonly used in pagan worship to hallucinate and to try to get in touch with evil spirits.

This can be serious stuff! In Rev. 21:8, God says that people who are continually characterized by drug use will have no part in the Kingdom of God.
 
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Scripture reference needed.
He bases it on the Greek for "sorcery" in the New Testament, which is pharmarkeia from which we get the word "pharmacology", the study and proper usage of drugs. Yeah, it doesn't quite fit, but this does.

1 Corinthians 6 NASB
8 Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
If you review the link to the Washington State University ADCAPS study of the most significant research into marijuana over the last 20 years, you will see that the use of it violates the concept of not defiling the temple.
 
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Today there is a large number of Christians that feel it is acceptable to drink alcohol for recreational purposes or perhaps a night cap as long as they do not get drunk and of course they have their own personal definition of what being drunk is. There is also a number of Christians who believe smoking pot for recreational purposes or again a night cap is alright as long as they do not get high who also have their definition of what getting high is. Since alcohol is legal should marijuana be legal and if it is alright to drink is it alright to smoke dope? Why? Remember alcohol is a drug also.
http://www.narconon.org/drug-educati...ol-a-drug.html

I think all drugs should be legal, but that is a different discussion.

Naturally, then, I believe CANNABIS should be legal. Marijuana was a smear term used in the 30s to give cannabis a Mexican sounding name (for the purpose of fear and disdain) to protect the interests of William Randolph Hearst and the timber industry. It does not cause cancer, it actually has anti-carcinogenic effects. It is not a gateway drug. It increases melatonin by a significant amount (~4000%) which causes the "sleepiness" of those that smoke it. Melatonin is also used to reduce radiation damage (which is counterproductive to cannabis causing cancer.) Cannabis increases the metabolism by several factors (which accounts for the hunger.) It relieves pain by working on dopamine receptors, and inducing production of serotonin. Cannabis actually treats the sources of problems, as opposed to symptoms (like pharmaceuticals.) As such, there has been so much money invested in destroying the image of cannabis, and hiding the beneficial effects of the herb.

In addition to consumption via smoking or edibles, the hemp plant also has a complete protein. It can be used for pet foods, rope, paper (timber industry,) clothes (there goes the cotton industry,) biodiesel (oil industry,) textiles (it is resistant to UV radiation, and salt water,) plastics, and thousands of other uses. Since it grows fast, and is easy on the land, it makes for an abundant source for goods. The campaign on marijuana isn't about health, it is political. Otherwise, cigarettes would be illegal since it is proven they are addictive, and cause aggressive cancers.

Christians imbibing in cannabis should treat it in the same way they would treat alcohol. A glass of wine is beneficial, just as a smoke of cannabis (in the form of edibles, joint, etc.) can be beneficial. Of course, too much of anything, even water, can be harmful.


By the way, I would much rather toke up for, say, depression, rather than take a pharmaceutical drug (pharmakeia = witchcraft) that is designed with violent side-effects, only treating the symptoms of my problems.
 
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He bases it on the Greek for "sorcery" in the New Testament, which is pharmarkeia from which we get the word "pharmacology", the study and proper usage of drugs. Yeah, it doesn't quite fit, but this does.

1 Corinthians 6 NASB
8 Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
If you review the link to the Washington State University ADCAPS study of the most significant research into marijuana over the last 20 years, you will see that the use of it violates the concept of not defiling the temple.

I think all drugs should be legal, but that is a different discussion.

Naturally, then, I believe CANNABIS should be legal. Marijuana was a smear term used in the 30s to give cannabis a Mexican sounding name (for the purpose of fear and disdain) to protect the interests of William Randolph Hearst and the timber industry. It does not cause cancer, it actually has anti-carcinogenic effects. It is not a gateway drug. It increases melatonin by a significant amount (~4000%) which causes the "sleepiness" of those that smoke it. Melatonin is also used to reduce radiation damage (which is counterproductive to cannabis causing cancer.) Cannabis increases the metabolism by several factors (which accounts for the hunger.) It relieves pain by working on dopamine receptors, and inducing production of serotonin. Cannabis actually treats the sources of problems, as opposed to symptoms (like pharmaceuticals.) As such, there has been so much money invested in destroying the image of cannabis, and hiding the beneficial effects of the herb.

In addition to consumption via smoking or edibles, the hemp plant also has a complete protein. It can be used for pet foods, rope, paper (timber industry,) clothes (there goes the cotton industry,) biodiesel (oil industry,) textiles (it is resistant to UV radiation, and salt water,) plastics, and thousands of other uses. Since it grows fast, and is easy on the land, it makes for an abundant source for goods. The campaign on marijuana isn't about health, it is political. Otherwise, cigarettes would be illegal since it is proven they are addictive, and cause aggressive cancers.

Christians imbibing in cannabis should treat it in the same way they would treat alcohol. A glass of wine is beneficial, just as a smoke of cannabis (in the form of edibles, joint, etc.) can be beneficial. Of course, too much of anything, even water, can be harmful.


By the way, I would much rather toke up for, say, depression, rather than take a pharmaceutical drug (pharmakeia = witchcraft) that is designed with violent side-effects, only treating the symptoms of my problems.

Read my comment above.
 
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I think all drugs should be legal, but that is a different discussion.

Naturally, then, I believe CANNABIS should be legal. Marijuana was a smear term used in the 30s to give cannabis a Mexican sounding name (for the purpose of fear and disdain) to protect the interests of William Randolph Hearst and the timber industry. It does not cause cancer, it actually has anti-carcinogenic effects. It is not a gateway drug. It increases melatonin by a significant amount (~4000%) which causes the "sleepiness" of those that smoke it. Melatonin is also used to reduce radiation damage (which is counterproductive to cannabis causing cancer.) Cannabis increases the metabolism by several factors (which accounts for the hunger.) It relieves pain by working on dopamine receptors, and inducing production of serotonin. Cannabis actually treats the sources of problems, as opposed to symptoms (like pharmaceuticals.) As such, there has been so much money invested in destroying the image of cannabis, and hiding the beneficial effects of the herb.

In addition to consumption via smoking or edibles, the hemp plant also has a complete protein. It can be used for pet foods, rope, paper (timber industry,) clothes (there goes the cotton industry,) biodiesel (oil industry,) textiles (it is resistant to UV radiation, and salt water,) plastics, and thousands of other uses. Since it grows fast, and is easy on the land, it makes for an abundant source for goods. The campaign on marijuana isn't about health, it is political. Otherwise, cigarettes would be illegal since it is proven they are addictive, and cause aggressive cancers.

Christians imbibing in cannabis should treat it in the same way they would treat alcohol. A glass of wine is beneficial, just as a smoke of cannabis (in the form of edibles, joint, etc.) can be beneficial. Of course, too much of anything, even water, can be harmful.


By the way, I would much rather toke up for, say, depression, rather than take a pharmaceutical drug (pharmakeia = witchcraft) that is designed with violent side-effects, only treating the symptoms of my problems.
With one marijuana cigarette, you take into your lungs as much tar and other carcinogenic chemicals as you would if you smoked seven regular cigarettes. One joint is one joint too many.
 
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Read my comment above.

I agree with your above comments. Drunkenness in any form is spiritually illegal (including gluttony, toking, drinking, etc.)

However, there is a difference of extremity between drunkenness, and what I am talking about. I am not advocating getting "high out of your mind." Cannabis should be treated as responsibly as drinking wine.

Drunkenness implies a lifestyle of usage that focuses on the imbibing of a substance. This is idolatry. The witchcraft described in the bible involved taking something that existed in nature, and concocting it into something that served a [psychotropic] purpose. This is the same thing a pharmacy drug does. It involves chemistry; a caricature of witchcraft that has some truth to it is the typical witch cauldron that is being stirred. Using something for divination is witchcraft. The intent matters.

I agree that anything that causes a person to be influenced spiritually (i.e. mind-altering) is a form of witchcraft. But, the sole purpose of THC is not to alter the mind (like other drugs do.) Likewise, the sole purpose of alcohol is not to alter the mind.
 
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I agree with your above comments. Drunkenness in any form is spiritually illegal (including gluttony, toking, drinking, etc.)

However, there is a difference of extremity between drunkenness, and what I am talking about. I am not advocating getting "high out of your mind." Cannabis should be treated as responsibly as drinking wine.

Drunkenness implies a lifestyle of usage that focuses on the imbibing of a substance. This is idolatry. The witchcraft described in the bible involved taking something that existed in nature, and concocting it into something that served a [psychotropic] purpose. This is the same thing a pharmacy drug does. It involves chemistry; a caricature of witchcraft that has some truth to it is the typical witch cauldron that is being stirred. Using something for divination is witchcraft. The intent matters.

I agree that anything that causes a person to be influenced spiritually (i.e. mind-altering) is a form of witchcraft. But, the sole purpose of THC is not to alter the mind (like other drugs do.) Likewise, the sole purpose of alcohol is not to alter the mind.

"the sole purpose of THC is not to alter the mind (like other drugs do.) Likewise, the sole purpose of alcohol is not to alter the mind."

The sole purpose of any drug used illegally is to alter the mind. Alcohol is also a drug. Scripture tells Christians to not alter their minds in this manner. There is a reason why many drugs are illegal and why there is a Drug War which includes bad characters hanging around school grounds.
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the marijuana itself... it is the purpose of the use that should be in question.

Genesis 1 makes it clear that vegetation and fruit bearing seed is good, and marijuana undoubtedly falls into this category.

There are many that believe that its use was widespread, especially in oils, throughout the history of the Bible.

I say all of that to say this: it's not as black and white as some of us try and make it out to be.

Just my opinion. Don't stone me for it. (pun intended). =)
I find the content of this post is very naive. You state that Genesis 1 teaches that vegetation and fruit bearing seed is good. This is what happens when you pluck one verse from the Bible and mean what you want it to mean. Haven't you read Genesis 3, the fall into sin and what happened to the whole of creation as a result of sin?

Have you eaten a seed of the castor bean (castor oil plant) lately with its highly poisonous seeds?

These are poisonous plants and parts of plants, including seeds. If you try eating a wisteria seed, you'll know how poisonous it is. The same with the datura seed. Do not try eating the seed (buds) of the yew plant. The leaves and milk of the oleander bush are extremely poisonous.

Here's a list of poisonous plants.

Please do not mislead us with the false information that
Genesis 1 makes it clear that vegetation and fruit bearing seed is good, and marijuana undoubtedly falls into this category.
Frankly, you don't know what you are talking about. It's time that you did some accurate research.

Sincerely, Oz
 
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"the sole purpose of THC is not to alter the mind (like other drugs do.) Likewise, the sole purpose of alcohol is not to alter the mind."

The sole purpose of any drug used illegally is to alter the mind. Alcohol is also a drug. Scripture tells Christians to not alter their minds in this manner. There is a reason why many drugs are illegal and why there is a Drug War which includes bad characters hanging around school grounds.

Why would Christ turn water into wine if drinking it (responsibly, and under His supervision no less) was such a malign act? Why would He advocate something like that?


THC, specifically the herb called hemp, is not a drug in the colloquial definition of the word. Delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a chemical compound in the hemp bud that, when subjected to temperatures above 770K, is activated, creating affects such as increase in metabolism, increase in serotonin levels, pain relief, increase in melatonin, and other affects. How wide is the tooth of the comb that we are using to define mind-altering? Sunlight increases serotonin levels, which is a mind alteration. Is sunlight a drug? Of course wine alters the mind at the very basic level, and you have established that it is a drug. Yet, there is wine drug use throughout the bible (even in responsible ways.) Chocolate eaters that really enjoy the taste have their minds altered, specifically in the subcallosal region, caudomedial orbitofrontal cortex, insula/operculum, striatum and midbrain. Coffee drinkers have their mind altered, as caffeine compounds are similar in size and structure to the adenosine compounds, blocking the "lock and key" mechanism in the part of the brain for sleep. There is a difference between drugs that have been methodically concocted in order to alter the mind for a given purpose, and "drugs" that exist in nature. Pharmaceuticals are drugs concocted to alter the mind. Caffeine, cocoa, sunlight, grape fermentation, and hemp are naturally occurring. You can, from these naturally occurring objects concoct stronger substances to provide stronger alteration of the mind; this is the divination and witchcraft. Even consuming the objects in excess is a form of witchcraft, or drunkenness. But, pharmaceuticals are drugs. Pharmacy/Pharmakeia/Witchcraft. They even made it easy for you, and kept the Greek name for their product.


There is a drug war because there is a lot of money to be made in it. Guns are built to fight the drug war, which means someone has to buy guns. Drugs are manufactured to perpetuate the drug war, which means money is to be made on illegal drug trade. The illegality of these drugs allows for more violent crimes to obtain drugs to trade, which means more money goes to organizations to "fight" the drug traffic. It is political, not medicinal. Like I said before, if it was for the benefit of the public, then cigarettes would be illegal. If all drugs were legal, there would be no incentive to have drug wars, as the drugs would be readily available to anyone. Of course, I do not advocate drug use such as cocaine, heroine, PCP, ecstasy, etc., but I do believe the reason so much blood is being shed is because of the politics of making drugs illegal. Anytime something is illegal, people find clandestine ways to get the service/product anyway. These ways are most always accompanied by violence. It is about politics.
 
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