Dreams From God – There Will Be Some Sort Of Major Accident Later Tonight 5/26/12

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Let me get this straight.

A guy comes on here, claims he's John the Baptist, and tells us all that a major accident involving many people at a social gathering is going to take down a building.

And then he comes back on claiming that a house explosion in Milwalkee that injured two residents and four who came to help is what he dreamed about.

Then, to top it off, you are trying to prop him up by saying what he claims he dreamed about in Milwalkee is not what his dream was about but some missle strike in Afghanistan?

Come on! This is ludicrous.

First of all, the guy is not John the Baptist. John the Baptist was Jesus' cousin who was beheaded. No scripture says that John the Baptist was coming again. So his claim is, what? - reincarnation?? That's not of God.
Secondly, his dream was not of God because it failed.
Thirdly, attempts to prop him up are just sad.

It says John would come again;

"And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings." Rev.10;11
 
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Don't you guys understand?! He told you what would happen and it has indeed happened and made world news.

You're not serious?? Please tell me you're being facetious?

John told you people would be killed accidently in a building. It happened above so he was right in his forecast.

No he wasn't :confused: - read it again.

Here is what I do remember: I was inside some sort of building with a lot of people. There was some sort of a social gathering. I was walking through the building looking out the windows trying to find a way out in the case of an emergency. I went into a room where I met a guest of this social gathering. He was standing next to a table that had food on it. The food was meant for the guests. I think he grabbed a piece of chocolate. I remember approaching him and telling him that there was going to be an “accident” tonight. He wondered how I knew. I then told him about all of the dreams and about being John The Baptist.

He spoke about a social gathering, maybe a party, in a building with many people. He approached one of the guests, said there was going to be an accident that night because he, John the baptist, (a prophet who has been dead for 2000 years) had dreamed it.

That was it. This account does not say that people were going to be killed in the building - an accident can be anything - or even tells us what the message from God was - there's no point being a messenger if you don't bring a message.

What actually happened?
John found a news story where several people were injured after a blast, or a fire, in a building. Apparently 6 were involved; two of those being the emergency services who came to help, so there were 4 in the house. 4 is not "a lot of people at a social gathering." But it seems to be the closest thing that "fits" his dream, so he declares it to be a fulfilment, rather than risk losing face.

This has shown you that you need to become more Christian and therefore be more kind and symphathetic. Thankyou for this John.

Or that we need to be wise, discerning, test all prophecies and not be so gullible.
 
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Ok, this is what you dreamt:


This is what happened:

“A house explosion in a northern suburb of Milwaukee on Saturday injured six people, including a firefighter and a police officer, fire officials said.”
“injured were two residents, a neighbor and a passerby”.

There were six total injuries, but four of them were sustained by a police officer, a firefighter, a neighbor, and a passerby. There were only two residents in the building, however your dream described a “social gathering or a party” involving “many people”. Sorry, but I’m afraid two residents does not a party make.


Exactly. :thumbsup:
 
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You're not serious?? Please tell me you're being facetious?



No he wasn't :confused: - read it again.



He spoke about a social gathering, maybe a party, in a building with many people. He approached one of the guests, said there was going to be an accident that night because he, John the baptist, (a prophet who has been dead for 2000 years) had dreamed it.

That was it. This account does not say that people were going to be killed in the building - an accident can be anything - or even tells us what the message from God was - there's no point being a messenger if you don't bring a message.

What actually happened?
John found a news story where several people were injured after a blast, or a fire, in a building. Apparently 6 were involved; two of those being the emergency services who came to help, so there were 4 in the house. 4 is not "a lot of people at a social gathering." But it seems to be the closest thing that "fits" his dream, so he declares it to be a fulfilment, rather than risk losing face.



Or that we need to be wise, discerning, test all prophecies and not be so gullible.

Is this what the Pharesees in Jesus's day would do? Be wise, discerning and test all prophecies. I think so.

But us born again Christians? Kind and mercyfull, meek as sheep. You never know, one of these days it may be true.
 
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Um, it seems that you think that John, who was given the vision in Revelation, is John the Baptist.

Is that true?

No, they were with Jesus, John and John. But tell me this, someone. When Jacob propheised in Gen.49;24 that the "shepherd and the stone of Israel" would come of Joseph, how has this come about?

Was Jesus of Joseph? But Jesus was not born of a man but of the Holy Spirit of God and a virgin! What are these movable names such as Joseph and John. And Joshua(Jesus) led the people into the promised land of the Old Testament, and then also into the promised kingdom of heaven of the New Testament. There is more than one way to understand the Bible's verses. Jesus himself told us so.
 
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Is this what the Pharesees in Jesus's day would do? Be wise, discerning and test all prophecies. I think so.

Which is what I'm doing - testing the prophecy.

1. You and John can't even agree on the news story which is supposed to be the fulfilment of this dream. You have said it's a story about 7 Afghans being killed in one family; John, who is the person who had the dream, says the story which fulfils it is one about 6 people being injured in an explosion in America. (Even though he says nothing about people being killed or injured in his dream.)

2. The details don't agree.

3. If this was supposed to be a message from God, what was it?

4. I am in the UK, other people on this forum are in Australia, NZ, Africa etc. There is a time difference between the countries and there may, or may not, have been an "accident" in our various countries. Or is it that God only speaks to America?


.But us born again Christians? Kind and mercyfull, meek as sheep. You never know, one of these days it may be true.

It is true, but merciful and meek does not mean gullible and ready to swallow every teaching that comes along.

So some guy has found a local news story that "confirms" a small part of his dream - a dream that was probably nothing to do with God at all.
So?
 
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No, they were with Jesus, John and John. But tell me this, someone. When Jacob propheised in Gen.49;24 that the "shepherd and the stone of Israel" would come of Joseph, how has this come about?

Was Jesus of Joseph? But Jesus was not born of a man but of the Holy Spirit of God and a virgin!

Jacob was giving a blessing to his Son Joseph, and not speaking of Joseph who would eventaully marry Mary.
 
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So then, how did the "shepherd and the stone of Israel" come from Joseph?

Have you read the whole of verse 24? Jacob is blessing his son Joseph, and describes how he was attacked by archers.

In the NIV it says;

"But his bow remained steady,
his strong arms stayed supple,
because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,"

The Lord, Jacob's God, is described in this verse as the Mighty One, the Shepherd and the Rock of Israel - and it was he who helped Joseph too when he was being attacked. Read verse 25 too for the rest of the sentence;

"because of your father's God, who helps you,
because of the Almighty who blesses you
with the blessings of the heavens above,
blessing of the deep that lies below,
blessings of the breast and womb."

Jacob is blessing Joseph and saying that he was able to stay strong against his enemies because God was helping and blessing him.

I'm not sure why you feel this is a prophecy about Jesus being descended from Joseph.
 
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Have you read the whole of verse 24? Jacob is blessing his son Joseph, and describes how he was attacked by archers.

In the NIV it says;

"But his bow remained steady,
his strong arms stayed supple,
because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,
because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,"

The Lord, Jacob's God, is described in this verse as the Mighty One, the Shepherd and the Rock of Israel - and it was he who helped Joseph too when he was being attacked. Read verse 25 too for the rest of the sentence;

"because of your father's God, who helps you,
because of the Almighty who blesses you
with the blessings of the heavens above,
blessing of the deep that lies below,
blessings of the breast and womb."

Jacob is blessing Joseph and saying that he was able to stay strong against his enemies because God was helping and blessing him.

I'm not sure why you feel this is a prophecy about Jesus being descended from Joseph.


"........(from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)" Gen.49;24

Throughout the New Testament it tells and signifies to us that Jesus Christ is the "shepherd" and the "stone of Israel." He says himself that "I am the shepherd and my sheep will hear me."

Jesus is acknowledged as the "stone that the builders rejected. He is the "chief corner stone."

So in Gen.49;24 Jacob tells us the prophesy for Joseph, he says "from thence" is the shepherd and the stone." Does he not mean Jesus? It seems quite obvious that he does.

Therefore how can this be. Was Jesus born of the "tribe of Joseph?" Or is this forecast of Jacob's saying that Jesus the shepherd and stone will have an adopted father named Joseph? This is the question.
 
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Jesus is acknowledged as the "stone that the builders rejected. He is the "chief corner stone."

So in Gen.49;24 Jacob tells us the prophesy for Joseph, he says "from thence" is the shepherd and the stone." Does he not mean Jesus? It seems quite obvious that he does.

It doesn't say "from thence" in my translation - it is talking about The Mighty One who is the Shepherd and the rock and the God of Jacob.

It is not obvious to me that this is a prophecy about Jesus. Who says it is?

Therefore how can this be. Was Jesus born of the "tribe of Joseph?" Or is this forecast of Jacob's saying that Jesus the shepherd and stone will have an adopted father named Joseph? This is the question.

Sorry but it seems to me that you have wandered away from the original discussion - not that it was worth having anyway - and are now posting a Scripture which fits a particular agenda.

If you want to start a new discussion on this subject, start a new thread; either in "General Theology" or "Christian Scripures".
I won't be joing in though.
 
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Markusanthem said:
What are you talking about?

This church community has already called him on his failed prediction.

The church that Jesus started is not contained inside four walls or in the board rooms of some religion's headquarters.

What I'm talking about is the accountability from this place only goes so far. We cannot provide accountability the same way we can for people in our actual, real world, immediate environment. CF is not a substitute for church and neither is any other online community. We can fellowship sure, but the same thing also happens in coffee shops, pubs, homes, parks and just about any other place.

If the OP had made his audacious claims in an actual church, yes he would have been reproached by the clergy and/or the laity, but they would also seek to come alongside and council him, shepherd and disciple him on orthodoxy and orthopraxis.

Now before all the Eschatology lifers here scoff at the actual local church, let me cut you off at the pass: the local church is just as much what Jesus had in mind as the global church. It is only amongst (real, tangible) community that accountability can be had, that we can challenge and be challenged, that heresy and unorthodoxy can be weeded out and an understanding of Christ's intention for his church can be gained.

Say what you want but rarely, if ever, does someone actually make a change in their lives based on conversations on here. If someone is met with overwhelming disagreement, is called out for their mistakes, pride, arrogance, etc. all they have to do is log out.

Not so easy in an actual church. People will hold you accountable, not for their own selfish satisfaction (some might), but out of their desire to see healthy theology, healthy exegesis and hermeneutics, and an honest, orthodox interpretation of the Holy Scriptures written on everyone's hearts. There's a pursuit involved that can't be done online.
 
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It doesn't say "from thence" in my translation - it is talking about The Mighty One who is the Shepherd and the rock and the God of Jacob.

It is not obvious to me that this is a prophecy about Jesus. Who says it is?



Sorry but it seems to me that you have wandered away from the original discussion - not that it was worth having anyway - and are now posting a Scripture which fits a particular agenda.

If you want to start a new discussion on this subject, start a new thread; either in "General Theology" or "Christian Scripures".
I won't be joing in though.



"Your translation" must then not be the one that most English Christians have been reading for the past 400 years.

"But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob (from thence is the shepherd, stone of Israel:) Gen.49;25
 
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To Johnthewitness,
This is my prediction: 7 x 70 people will not believe anything you say.
Fyi, the two witnesses in Revelation will be in Jerusalem spreading the gospel to the Jews and performing miraculus things! They will not be dreaming of insignificant events. They come on the scene prior to or during the Great Tribulation period at which time, all social gatherings will be quite disturbed with mass destruction and millions of people dying ... h e l l o! Is it possible that the building in your dream that you were trying to get out of may have been a sanitarium?
 
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Trogool said:
Isn't it really awesome how if you make really vague pronouncements about "accidents" involving "a building" and then go on a news website and look at what's happening in a world with telecommunications and 7 billion people, you can make anything fit into that?

I know right? It's perfect!
 
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