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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus How do you know?
Btw, could you give a response to an earlier post I put up about that? Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/t7648776/#post60445443
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Hmmm. The link worked alright for me.
Anywho, here is the post :)
Originally Posted by Jonathan95 Islam is pagan. Sex with virgins in heaven? Fleshly pleasures in a spiritual place (heaven)?
Originally Posted by LoAmmi On face value, Christians are promised mansions. Earthly dwellings in a spiritual place?
With my luck, I will probably be given a run down shack with an outhouse outside :p

http://www.christianforums.com/t7650220/
Why are there mansions in Heaven?


Originally Posted by Qwerty35 It is said several times in the Holy Bible(such as in John 14:2-3) that there are mansions in Heaven for people who believe in Jesus Christ. However, I can't help but wonder what this means. Being a Christian,I don't doubt anything the Bible says, but I'm puzzled by this.
After all, there aren't worldly things in Heaven are there, since the main purpose of our time in Heaven is to be with our Heavenly Father? And if there are no worldly things in the mansions, what would be in the mansions? And if there isn't anything in the mansions, what is their purpose? If I am wrong in makng these guesses, please tell me so. Any information would be appreciated, because I'm really confused by this. God bless you all.

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I don't know why there's mansions in heaven.

The Greek word probably better translates as "abodes" or "apartments" or the like; the point of the text is that Christ makes us members of God's household (oikos) and that we will have a place with Him in the Age to Come.

Considering that, therefore, it's worth to consider that there is figurative language in other religious traditions, such as Islam. Further, the reference to being given seventy-two virgin wives in Paradise comes from a very weak hadith.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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On face value, Christians are promised mansions. Earthly dwellings in a spiritual place?

Note the description of the New Jerusalem in Revelation.

21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
 
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It doesn't matter what your scripture say. Abraham wasn't a Muslim.

Muslim means 'one who submits [to God.]' You don't think Abraham was submissive unto God?

Then there wouldn't be any Jews or Christians.

There weren't during Abraham's time.


"You" in verse 3 is Israel. Muslims believe Israel is the Small Satan. How can this be?

The 'you' is not the modern state of Israel.

You do realize that both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Abraham? As for thinking Israel is a 'small Satan' there is certainly nothing in religion which states this. It is a political, not a theological stance. And Arab Christians feel the same way about Israel as do Arab Muslims. For them, the issue is quite simple. It was their land and it was taken from them. If someone came along and kicked you out of your home you might regard them as satanic as well.
 
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Note the description of the New Jerusalem in Revelation.

21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.

21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Yes. Is there anything wrong with having that in heaven? There are twelve tribes of Israel. Also, maybe it has to do with 'Walls of Salvation' too?

Isaiah 60:18
Violence shall no more be heard in your land, nor devastation or destruction within your borders, but you shall call your walls Salvation and your gates Praise.

Revelation 21:12
It had a massive and high wall with twelve [large] gates, and at the gates [there were stationed] twelve angels, and [on the gates] the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were written:

Revelation 22:15
[But] without are the dogs and those who practice sorceries (magic arts) and impurity [the lewd, adulterers] and the murderers and idolaters and everyone who loves and deals in falsehood (untruth, error, deception, cheating).
 
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He mentions a "billion Arabs" and there hardly anything close to that number in the world..

Boy, that really shows his ignorance. There are only about 300 million Arabs in the world and they make up only about 20% of the Muslims in the world.

He says he would have to learn Aramaic to read the Qur'an... The Qur'an is in Arabic.

LOL

Mentioned the Kaaba and called it "Kaba" noting it was a cube having six sides ...noted it also when laid out formed a cross and then...oddly enough said that was a symbol of chromosome and a symbol of the anti-christ!?

How utterly bizarre

He showed a picture of the sacred stone of the Kaaba and said it represented the unclean parts of a woman

Okay, this guy definitely needs to get his mind out of the gutter.

.. noted it was of a black color.. What he didn't know was that according to tradition the stone was originally white in color and became black as it was believed to absorbed peoples' sins..

LOL. That may be the legend but it is generally believed that the Black Stone is a meteorite. Of course, no one is going to give us a sample so we can find out for sure.
 
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Muslim means 'one who submits [to God.]' You don't think Abraham was submissive unto God?

We don't use it like that. Muslim is someone who follows Islam. Abraham didn't follow Islam, he didn't follow the God of the Qur'an. He didn't follow Allah! Islamists aren't submissive unto God. Yes Abraham was submissive to God.


There weren't during Abraham's time.

Genesis 12:2-3
2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you [with abundant increase of favors] and make your name famous and distinguished, and you will be a blessing [dispensing good to others].
3 And I will bless those who bless you [who confer prosperity or happiness upon you] and [a]curse him who curses or uses insolent language toward you; in you will all the families and kindred of the earth be blessed [and by you they will bless themselves]

The 'you' is not the modern state of Israel.

Why is "great nation" right before it then? Israel is so blessed.

Ezekiel 20:6
On that day I lifted up My hand and swore to them to bring them out of the land of Egypt to a land that I had searched out for them, flowing with milk and honey, [a land] which is an ornament and a glory to all lands.

Israel is flowing with milk and honey.
Israel has greenery.
Doves in the wailing wall in Jerusalem aren't polluting, it's because they worship God.
It's a miracle Israel is still standing today, such a small nation.
...Those are just one of the things proving Israel is blessed, and The God of Israel is true. Not Allah. Which also means Muhammad is not a Prophet. Which also means Jesus is "...the way, the truth and the life..." (John 14:6).

You do realize that both Arabs and Jews are descendants of Abraham? As for thinking Israel is a 'small Satan' there is certainly nothing in religion which states this. It is a political, not a theological stance. And Arab Christians feel the same way about Israel as do Arab Muslims. For them, the issue is quite simple. It was their land and it was taken from them. If someone came along and kicked you out of your home you might regard them as satanic as well.

Christians should love Israel. It's the Holy land, and Jews are God's chosen people.

Israel didn't steal land.
 
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There are Mosques with the mandorla too. Mandorla is a Pagan symbol.

And you know this how? Because this nutcase says so?

It's phallic, yes. Harry Potter is Occult, and demonic. It opens you up for demons.

If you haven't read the books, how would you know that? The Chronicles of Narnia deals with witches, etc. as well. Is it also demonic?

I thought muslims still await a twelfth imam as messiah?

Shi'ite Muslims believe that the twelfth Imam is currently in hiding and will return as the Mahdi. Baha'is believe he has returned in the form of the Bab. Most Sunni Muslims believe in the coming of a Mahdi but they don't think he will be the twelfth Imam as they don't accept the Imams, period.

Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).

No, Allah was not a moon god. This is just a slander being spread by evangelical Christians who do no credit to their religion with such lies. Allah is the Arabic cognate to Eloh, the most common Hebrew word for God. It is the same word which Jesus used to call upon God while he was on the cross.

Kaaba is exposed in the video, it's demonic and occult, and he proves it.

Sorry, but someone who doesn't know the difference between Arabs and Muslims or between Arabic or Aramaic is not in the position to say anything about the Kaaba.

It represents a mandorla yes

How can a rock represent a mandorla?

The Kaaba contained 360 idols worshipped before Muhammad's prophethood, the Black Stone was never kissed or made an idol of worship by the pagan Arabs.

And you know how pre-Islamic Arabs treated the Black Stone, how? Primary sources only, please, not the fanatisies of fanatics.
 
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I don't see the problem with having sex in heaven either except I don't regard heaven as spiritual rather than material.

You don't see any problem with receiving 72 virgins or whatever the amount is?

That only makes Islam false. Islam is SO MUCH brainwash. It's a real cunning work of Satan, to establish that doctrine about 72 virgins.

It is sexual sin that called the Lord to repent for the reason why He chose to create men. God delighted of having created man in his own image, but when the lust of man was absorbed to fulfilling the desires of the flesh, then the Lord had no room for man again but to bring His judgment.

Heaven is a spiritual place, there's no place for filthiness like that, fleshly activities like that.
 
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We don't use it like that. Muslim is someone who follows Islam.

That's the way the Qur'an uses it. Islam means Submission. A Muslim is one who submits.

Abraham didn't follow Islam, he didn't follow the God of the Qur'an. He didn't follow Allah!

Sure he did. Eloh and Allah are direct cognates.

Islamists aren't submissive unto God.

We are talking about Muslims, not Islamists. Islamists are those who want to make Islam a political ideology.

Yes Abraham was submissive to God.

Then he was a Muslim.

Why is "great nation" right before it then?

Abraham is the father of many nations.

"as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation."

(King James Bible, Genesis)

It's a miracle Israel is still standing today, such a small nation.

Still standing? Are you under the mis-impressionism it has existed from the time of the Bible until now?

Christians should love Israel. It's the Holy land, and Jews are God's chosen people.

Oh, Arab Christians love their land all right. That's why they want it back!

Israel didn't steal land.

Then how did they get it in 1948? The Arabs certainly didn't give it to them!
 
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And you know this how? Because this nutcase says so?

Read up on it, it's a fertility symbol.


No, Allah was not a moon god. This is just a slander being spread by evangelical Christians who do no credit to their religion with such lies. Allah is the Arabic cognate to Eloh, the most common Hebrew word for God. It is the same word which Jesus used to call upon God while he was on the cross.

He didn't call upon Allah.


How can a rock represent a mandorla?

What rock? The Kaaba stone?
 
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You don't see any problem with receiving 72 virgins or whatever the amount is?

There is nothing about 72 virgins in the Qur'an. Besides if they were really virgins then you couldn't have sex with them or they would immediately cease being virgins. The word that gets translated as 'virgins' is huri, one of the few words in Arabic with no gender whatsoever.

Heaven is a spiritual place, there's no place for filthiness like that, fleshly activities like that.

Sorry, but gold is no more spiritual than sex.
 
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