Burning the Koran bad?

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dad said:
The real demons beating people up did that. You agree?

Proof? ALL books? No copies existed that were less?

How about 3006 books? Where do you dream up your numbers? Why make it 20?? That hardly would roast a marshmallow.
Baloney. They knew a lot more.
Says...who? Maybe we could read it like this.... 'there were many many people scared stiff at the demons beating people up, and wanted to cut all ties with the dark side....many even brang inexpensive copies to burn, but still, the thousands of books added up to a large sum, if we looked at the suggested retail price..':)
Proof? Source? Speaking of taking it seriously, do you personally believe in real demons?

Get back to me when you have a grip on historical reality and care about reading scripture for its meaning more than using it to justify yourself.
 
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Get back to me when you have a grip on historical reality and care about reading scripture for its meaning more than using it to justify yourself.
You can't prove how many books were burned then, or how much per book, and refuse to admit not believing in real demons?
 
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I'm sure the Holy Koran was given to mankind by God.
So tell us then, did Gabriel the angel of God give it?
Murder is wrong but these people are at war for their country. Many want to restore Gods Law and Order as they see it.
So? Why would anyone care why loonies kill?
If invaders came to this country and started to burn The Holy Bible you think people would not attack them?
I doubt it. They would more likely get a grant.
The Holy Koran states to its readers to read the Holy Bible.
Come on now. The bible says that even if an angel from heaven contradicted it, they are not to be believed. Does not the koran suggest that an angel gave it? Does it not also suggest that if a difference of opinion occurs, the bible is to be tossed out?
 
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dad said:
You can't prove how many books were burned then, or how much per book,
you try making a scroll out of papyrus and then copying a book onto it with an ancient pen and ink you've made yourself all by hand and see how much skilled labour that takes, and then try suggesting that there is a 1st century equivalent to a cheap paperback.
 
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you try making a scroll out of papyrus and then copying a book onto it with an ancient pen and ink you've made yourself all by hand and see how much skilled labour that takes, and then try suggesting that there is a 1st century equivalent to a cheap paperback.
Source? Proof? Maybe we can talk if you have evidence.
 
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A flipping book? You guys consider the Bible the same thing as Jesus Christ. The "Word of God". Is the Bible just a flippin book?

Just because you reject Islam, doesn't mean they don't exalt the Koran to the same level as you view the Bible.

The Bible is NOT Jesus Christ. The Word is Christ.

The Bible is a book. You can burn it all you like but you can't burn the Word.

The Koran shouldn't be burned either. It's not a loving act. However, it's not an excuse for killing people..
 
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Says...who? Maybe we could read it like this.... 'there were many many people scared stiff at the demons beating people up, and wanted to cut all ties with the dark side....many even brang inexpensive copies to burn, but still, the thousands of books added up to a large sum, if we looked at the suggested retail price..':)


You are perfectly correct. It is indeed possible to read the passage in question as you say. It is also possible to think the books were bought at WHSmith with book tokens given by Pontius Pilate as a Christmas present. Any belief is possible, given sufficient lack of knowledge.

However, for a faith whose God is Truth, it is not sufficient to rely on this kind of belief; there is also an imperative to find out exactly how closely any given belief about the NT can be said to connect with the reality of first century life. If we are not very careful indeed our own personal beliefs, which we think ourselves perfectly entitled to hold, can turn into untruth, deceit or even lies because our assumptions are false, and get in the way of the true meaning. And at that point it is no longer the case that we, as Christians, are perfectly entitled to believe whatever we like, to interpret everything according to our own limited knowledge, and to conclude that we understand fully what is meant. That kind of behaviour is a variation on the theme of bearing false witness.
 
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Catherineanne said:
It is also possible to think the books were bought at WHSMith with book tokens given by Pontius Pilate as a Christmas present.
Are you suggesting they weren't :o
 
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The Bible is NOT Jesus Christ. The Word is Christ.

The Bible is a book. You can burn it all you like but you can't burn the Word.

The Koran shouldn't be burned either. It's not a loving act. However, it's not an excuse for killing people..
Would it be a loving act to burn the books that the early church did?
 
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You are perfectly correct. It is indeed possible to read the passage in question as you say. It is also possible to think the books were bought at WHSmith with book tokens given by Pontius Pilate as a Christmas present. Any belief is possible, given sufficient lack of knowledge.

However, for a faith whose God is Truth, it is not sufficient to rely on this kind of belief; there is also an imperative to find out exactly how closely any given belief about the NT can be said to connect with the reality of first century life. If we are not very careful indeed our own personal beliefs, which we think ourselves perfectly entitled to hold, can turn into untruth, deceit or even lies because our assumptions are false, and get in the way of the true meaning. And at that point it is no longer the case that we, as Christians, are perfectly entitled to believe whatever we like, to interpret everything according to our own limited knowledge, and to conclude that we understand fully what is meant. That kind of behaviour is a variation on the theme of bearing false witness.
So you claim to know how many and how expensive the books were? Let's see your true witness on that sis.
 
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You are perfectly correct. It is indeed possible to read the passage in question as you say. It is also possible to think the books were bought at WHSmith with book tokens given by Pontius Pilate as a Christmas present. Any belief is possible, given sufficient lack of knowledge.

However, for a faith whose God is Truth, it is not sufficient to rely on this kind of belief; there is also an imperative to find out exactly how closely any given belief about the NT can be said to connect with the reality of first century life. If we are not very careful indeed our own personal beliefs, which we think ourselves perfectly entitled to hold, can turn into untruth, deceit or even lies because our assumptions are false, and get in the way of the true meaning. And at that point it is no longer the case that we, as Christians, are perfectly entitled to believe whatever we like, to interpret everything according to our own limited knowledge, and to conclude that we understand fully what is meant. That kind of behaviour is a variation on the theme of bearing false witness.​
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Still fishing for red herrings?
No I was wondering how a human being could lack the comprehension to see that demons had just beat people up and scared folks silly. Next thing we know folks are burning books, in an open show of rejection of the bad things in the books, regardless of cost.

I have no idea how many books were burned. I do not know if maybe some guild brochures that maybe outlined orgies or god worship, or occult related stuff were considered books. So we just do not know how many or how much the average book cost. Right?

Now since you directly avoided answering whether you believe in actual demons, which are an integral part of the chapter, and furthermore provide NO evidence or sources to support your claims, it is clear your position is weak and misses the point.
 
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