Did Jesus go to Hell?

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Hell isn't just the lake of fire, but also the grave.

Not just that, but hell is not the lake of fire at all, as hell, along with death, is thrown into the lake of fire. In other words, Death, and the world of Death, are thrown into the Lake of Fire and are destroyed.
 
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Not just that, but hell is not the lake of fire at all, as hell, along with death, is thrown into the lake of fire. In other words, Death, and the world of Death, are thrown into the Lake of Fire and are destroyed.

Actually, it is Hades/Sheol that is thrown into the lake of fire (Gehenna/Hell)...
 
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"Hell" is the Germanic equivalent of the Hebrew "Sheol" and the Greek "Hades". All three mean the same thing. It is only within the last few centuries that we began to give new definitions to the word "Hell". Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire, as Hell is the same thing as Hades.

Hell comes from the same root as the words "hill", "hole", and "hall". All are words that describe a place where the dead are buried, and can be seen inside a cave or dug out of the earth.
 
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"Hell" is the Germanic equivalent of the Hebrew "Sheol" and the Greek "Hades". All three mean the same thing. It is only within the last few centuries that we began to give new definitions to the word "Hell". Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire, as Hell is the same thing as Hades.

Hell comes from the same root as the words "hill", "hole", and "hall". All are words that describe a place where the dead are buried, and can be seen inside a cave or dug out of the earth.

Would you mind providing your source for this?
 
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If Jesus Christ destroyed Sheol/Hades (the prison of death), why are we still suffering physical death then? Why did those who were raised from the dead at the crucifixion of Christ die again?

Has death and Hades been thrown into the lake of fire yet?

And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14


Fiirst fruits are what are being described in Matthew 27. The harvest is nowhere near complete.
Not all the blind have had their sight restored yet either.
Nevertheless, even Paul could say "oh death where is thy sting?."
Jesus descending to the dead/hades/sheol/hell dissolves death from the ultimate state of hopelessness and separation into the utimate absurdity.
First fruits indicate that the time of the harvest is now here.
Strangely, but that verse of Matthew 27 is not much discussed. I am not sure why.
 
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Would you mind providing your source for this?

hell: Online Etymology Dictionary

hole: Online Etymology Dictionary

hill: Online Etymology Dictionary

hall: Online Etymology Dictionary

All these words come from the same Proto-Indo-European (PIE) source "kel" (in the Germanic languages, as they were diverging from the parent PIE language, the "k" sound became a "h" like in the first consonant of the Hebrew pronunciation of "Hannakah", which then became "h", as in just the sound of a breath. That is one part of a series of consonant shifts that occurred in the early stages of Proto-Germanic called "Grimm's Law").
 
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Fiirst fruits are what are being described in Matthew 27. The harvest is nowhere near complete.
Not all the blind have had their sight restored yet either.

There has been only ONE person who has been resurrected by God to live forever as of right now, and that person is Christ. He ALONE is the first-fruits of the harvest. Those who were resurrected from the dead after the crucifixion of Christ all died again, and will be raised to live forever at the return of Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28

Nevertheless, even Paul could say "oh death where is thy sting?."

Yet, Paul still died and was buried, and his tomb is still among us. You see, Paul was clearly speaking about the FUTURE when the Scriptures will be fulfilled, that is, at the resurrection of the dead when the saints are clothed with the heavenly body.

So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:54-57


Jesus descending to the dead/hades/sheol/hell dissolves death from the ultimate state of hopelessness and separation into the utimate absurdity.
First fruits indicate that the time of the harvest is now here.
Strangely, but that verse of Matthew 27 is not much discussed. I am not sure why.

Jesus Christ destroyed the power of Satan, sin and death over us by His death on the cross. However, Satan, sin and death have not BEEN destroyed yet, for people are still dying and sins are still being committed.
 
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hell: Online Etymology Dictionary

hole: Online Etymology Dictionary

hill: Online Etymology Dictionary

hall: Online Etymology Dictionary

All these words come from the same Proto-Indo-European (PIE) source "kel" (in the Germanic languages, as they were diverging from the parent PIE language, the "k" sound became a "h" like in the first consonant of the Hebrew pronunciation of "Hannakah", which then became "h", as in just the sound of a breath. That is one part of a series of consonant shifts that occurred in the early stages of Proto-Germanic called "Grimm's Law").

Thanks. I'm sorry, but I'm looking for the use of the word in Christianity only. All the translations I've looked into so far, all refer to Hell/Gehenna as the lake of fire. So, unless you can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are all wrong, I'm afraid, I'm gonna have to go with them.

Mark 9:43

New International Version (©1984)
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

New Living Translation (©2007)
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

International Standard Version (©2008)
So if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life injured than to have two hands and go to hell, to the fire that cannot be put out.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“If your hand causes subverts you, cut it off, for it is better for you that you enter the Life maimed, than when you have two hands, you would go to Gehenna.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"So if your hand causes you to lose your faith, cut it off! It is better for you to enter life disabled than to have two hands and go to hell, to the fire that cannot be put out.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

American King James Version
And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

American Standard Version
And if thy hand cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life maimed, rather than having thy two hands to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And if thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into unquenchable fire:

Darby Bible Translation
And if thy hand serve as a snare to thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having thy two hands to go away into hell, into the fire unquenchable;

English Revised Version
And if thy hand cause thee to stumble, cut it off: it is good for thee to enter into life maimed, rather than having thy two hands to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.

Webster's Bible Translation
And if thy hand causeth thee to fall into sin, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Weymouth New Testament
If your hand should cause you to sin, cut it off: it would be better for you to enter into Life maimed, than remain in possession of both your hands and go away into Gehenna, into the fire which cannot be put out.

World English Bible
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having your two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire,

Young's Literal Translation
'And if thy hand may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee maimed to enter into the life, than having the two hands, to go away to the gehenna, to the fire -- the unquenchable --
 
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Not just that, but hell is not the lake of fire at all, as hell, along with death, is thrown into the lake of fire. In other words, Death, and the world of Death, are thrown into the Lake of Fire and are destroyed.

True, but I do believe that there are places in the Bible that describe hell as a place of burning and/or everlasting torment, much like the lake of fire.
 
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The word "Hell" is taken from the Germanic mythology (just as the word "Hades" is taken from Greek mythology). The Germanic "Hel" was the underworld, the place of the dead. When the Germanic people were converted to Christianity, the word was borrowed (just as the word "Hades" was borrowed from the Greeks) to describe the same: The place of the dead.

Hell/Hades/Sheol are three words describing the same concept, but are from three different languages.

English has the word "Hell" because English is the language that evolved from the Germanic invaders of Britain, the Anglo-Saxons. English is the "language of the Angles", a primary Germanic tribe that invaded and settled in Britain in the 6th and 7th centuries. The language displaced the indigenous languages of the island, a Celtic language known as Brythonic (the "British language"). The Welsh language is related to the pre-Anglo-Saxon British tongue.

As such "Hell" was part of the vocabulary Christianized Anglo-Saxons of Britain, it was the word used by the Anglo-Saxon Christians in Britain, it corresponded to "She'ol" in Hebrew and "Hades" in Greek. The place of the dead.

English translations offer a rather conflated use of the word "Hell".

"Hell" is used to translate the Hebrew "She'ol", the Greek "Hades", and the Aramaic "Gehenna" and once the Greek "Tartarus", at least as far back as Wycliffe's translation of the Bible.

This seems to be a unique quality of Germanic language such as German and English. Other translations, such as the Latin Vulgata retain the distinction of terms.

French translations render Tartarus, for example as "the abyss" (l'abîme). Spanish uses "al infierno", cognate with the Latin inferos, meaning "the nether".

-CryptoLutheran
 
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In Mark 9:43, the Greek word used is Gehenna. Thus, "hell" is not the appropriate translation. Translating it as "hell" just demonstrates the translators' bias. The only time that it is appropriate to use the English word "hell" is when the Greek word is "hades".

Now, I will not claim to have an exhaustive knowledge of Scripture, nor of the Scriptures in their original languages. Is anyone aware of any use of the word "hades" in the Greek New Testament where it is described as a place of fiery torment?
 
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True, but I do believe that there are places in the Bible that describe hell as a place of burning and/or everlasting torment, much like the lake of fire.

From what I understand, that is where Gehenna is translated into the English generic Hell. Jewish Sheol and Greek Hades is also used to refer to the abode of the dead, and I think tatoru or something like that is used once, and is generally deemed to denote where fallen angels become destroyed

Gehenna refers to the constantly burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, where suicidals, and crucified criminals etc were dumped.

The whole concept of hell is a very loaded term, and it is difficult to know exactly what was even being referred to, for Hellenic ideas were being mixed in with Hebrew ones even in the later years of the Old Testament Bible, and in the inter-testament period.
So. if people don't bother to find out exactly what it is that the other is actually talking about when they refer to hell, there is a good chance everyone will just be talking around each other and maybe even saying the same thing.
 
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In Mark 9:43, the Greek word used is Gehenna. Thus, "hell" is not the appropriate translation. Translating it as "hell" just demonstrates the translators' bias. The only time that it is appropriate to use the English word "hell" is when the Greek word is "hades".

Now, I will not claim to have an exhaustive knowledge of Scripture, nor of the Scriptures in their original languages. Is anyone aware of any use of the word "hades" in the Greek New Testament where it is described as a place of fiery torment?

Yeah, hades is described as a place of "fiery torment" in the story of the rich-man and Lazarus.

The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ Luke 16:22-24
 
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Lion King said:
Yeah, hades is described as a place of "fiery torment" in the story of the rich-man and Lazarus.

The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ Luke 16:22-24

Yes, Jesus spoke of "hades" in such terms. From comments that you've made elsewhere, I know that you believe this account to be but a parable. Would you mind explaining why you believe such? Thank you.
 
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Yeah, hades is described as a place of "fiery torment" in the story of the rich-man and Lazarus.

The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ Luke 16:22-24

Yes, indeed.

My next question, then, is whether the beggar and Abraham were also in Hades, but a different part of it than the rich man, or if they were somewhere entirely other than Hades. After all, they could see each other and communicate with each other.
 
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Yes, Jesus spoke of "hades" in such terms. From comments that you've made elsewhere, I know that you believe this account to be but a parable. Would you mind explaining why you believe such? Thank you.

Well, for one brother, I do not affirm to the idea that the wicked being held in Sheol/Hades are already being tormented in the flames BEFORE the resurrection of the dead. I vehemently believe that the wicked will only suffer after judgement day...
 
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The penalty for "sin" is that one must be incarcerated in hell if Jesus has not been received before physical death occurs.

The Bible teaches that Jesus paid our penalty and redeemed us.

If the penalty was hell and He paid it, then someone had to go to hell for us in order to pay the penalty in full.

If He did not go there then you and I, who are trusting in Him, are in serious trouble.
 
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