Which Experiment disproved the Flood?

[Greg1234]

I don't choose not to, I have just never been given or seen a good enough reason why I should, why do you?
I don't believe in the Loch Ness monster for the same reason, do you?

But dont you believe in a Godless reality? No Boston Tea Party?

 

[Greg1234]

Why is the supernatural being associated with the natural anyway? one has nothing to do with the other, one exists and we have no way of knowing about the other.

Probably because not everyone thinks the bible writers were ignorant beast-men.

 

[SkyWriting]

Originally Posted by SkyWriting - I don't agree with your assessment of the situation, but I appreciate your support of your fitness theory. You feel that love and compassion is a fitness factor that didn't show up until Jesus brought the topic up a couple thousand years ago. It validates your stand.

Funny!

It was your statement:

Bringing in Love, Compassion and Forgiveness as Jesus did is change and an evolutionary step for human kind.

I thought it was quite odd as well.
But it fits your idea that God evolves and changes with the times.

 

[SkyWriting]

The term "survival of the fittest" is so commonly misused and misunderstood...

Not a phrase I used. I took the time to use "fit" correctly.
Jesus healed the diseased and the misfits, those who are unfit to care for themselves and likely even reproduce. He also brought people back from death. He also failed to have any children. Some passages even say the some should not marry who believe.

As these items show, Jesus, who was more God than any of us, did not preach that reproduction was important.

In Matthew 5:38-39, Jesus says:
"You have heard that it was said, 'eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Not a match for natural selection.)

In Mark 10:25, Jesus says:
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."
(Those who are a good "Fit" are going to have a rough time of it.)

In Matthew 5:28, Jesus says:
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "

Allowing your sex urges to run your actions or distort your mind is a bad thing. Not a match for natural selection.

And there are many more.

Evolution was not God's first Creation. It's just a way for species to survive until Jesus/God returns to wipe the corrupted (mutating) slate clean and start over.

 

[dlamberth]

Probably because not everyone thinks the bible writers were ignorant beast-men.

I don't at all think the Bible Writers were ignorant beast-men. But...I do believe that the Geneses Creation story is based on the Creation Myths of an ancient middle-Eastern tribe of nomadic desert dwellers and does not reflect what God's own Creation shows us in how He Creates life forms.

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[dlamberth]

It was your statement:

No...it's your spin on my statement that I found funny. It gave me a chuckle.

I thought it was quite odd as well.

But it fits your idea that God evolves and changes with the times.

More spin? No, God doesn't evolve. It's His Creation that evolves. There’s a huge difference there.

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[AV1611VET]

I don't at all think the Bible Writers were ignorant beast-men. But...I do believe that the Geneses Creation story is based on the Creation Myths of an ancient middle-Eastern tribe of nomadic desert dwellers and does not reflect what God's own Creation shows us in how He Creates life forms.

Does God support Abortion, Inc. by miscarriages?

 

[Greg1234]

Again? how many chances does God need before he gets it right?
The truth is people want so very much for there to be a God they will make excuse after excuse, it would seem without success.

Hm, it would seem people would very much want to live a purely materialistic lifestyle. With no conformity to God's will needed, you would be free to indulge in your own desires and there would be no repercussions, no fall, no death, no law. Pretty cool.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hm, it would seem people would very much want to live a purely materialistic lifestyle. With no conformity to God's will needed, you would be free to indulge in your own desires and there would be no repercussions, no fall, no death, no law. Pretty cool.

Imagine that -- sounds kinda John Lennonish, doesn't it?

 

[dlamberth]

I'm just curious as to why a God is in your world?

There is an awareness of "presence", or "power of life" that I experience within the foundation of life itself. This awareness of presence for me is so profound that I'm umable to deny it any longer. It's not a presence that's separate and apart from life that I experience, it's the very foundation of life itself.

That's why I asked, why on earth would you need to do that? why do you even need a God?

For myself "Need" is not the word I'd choose. I simply can not deny what I spiritually experience.

I don't choose not to, I have just never been given or seen a good enough reason why I should, why do you?

Why do I? Again, I'm just unable to any longer deny the power with in life itself which I spiritually experience inwardly.

For me, it all started with my contemplating Love. What IS Love? Where do I see it? Do I see it in nature? How do I feel it? How do I see others respond to Love? How does Love touch the heart of myself and others?

I don't believe in the Loch Ness monster for the same reason, do you?

I don't know about Loch Ness either way. It's an interesting curiousity. The same with Big Foot.

What other things do you believe in for no reason?

Love, Harmony and Beauty.

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[Greg1234]

does not reflect what God's own Creation shows us in how He Creates life forms.

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Don't you mean "does not reflect what natural philosophy hypothesizes?"

 

[Greg1234]

Imagine that -- sounds kinda John Lennonish, doesn't it?

Lol

 

[dlamberth]

Does God support Abortion, Inc. by miscarriages?

Miscarriages? My first son died shortly after birth. It was a very sad time in my life. Since than I've come to learn that Birth and Death are the same. Though I'm still saddened by the loss of someone upon their death, for myself there is also celebration of life with that loss.

Abortion? I see that just as repugnant as war, death penalty and the horrid violence and inhuman actions we humans do upon each other.

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[dlamberth]

Don't you mean "does not reflect what natural philosophy hypothesizes?"

No...I don't mean that at all.

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[AV1611VET]

Miscarriages? My first son died shortly after birth. It was a very sad time in my life. Since than I've come to learn that Birth and Death are the same. Though I'm still saddened by the loss of someone upon their death, for myself there is also celebration of life with that loss.

Abortion? I see that just as repugnant as war, death penalty and the horrid violence and inhuman actions we humans do upon each other.

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For the second time, dlamberth:

Does God perform abortions?

 

[dlamberth]

For the second time, dlamberth:

Sorry, I didn't understand your question in the way you asked it.

Does God perform abortions?

My direct answer to you is “no”.

I would not consider miss-carriage as an abortion by God any more than I'd consider the death of a very sick person as the death penalty by God.

Both are life.

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[CaliforniaSun]

For the second time, dlamberth:

Does God perform abortions?

If the god as described in the Bible exists, then yes, it's responsible.

 

[SkyWriting]

Since then I've come to learn that Birth and Death are the same.

I asked my doctor and she said they are different. I checked a few books and got the same impression.

 

[SkyWriting]

Imagine that -- sounds kinda John Lennonish, doesn't it?

That's amazing. You are thinking MY thoughts, but before I even think them!

 

[AV1611VET]

That's amazing. You are thinking MY thoughts, but before I even think them!

Great minds think alike, eh?