Priest gets heat for denying lesbian Communion at mother's funeral

[MikeK]

The article, which was written by a gay activist, was totally one-sided, emotional, and condemning of the Church. It's obvious that the writer cared nothing about getting the facts.

Agreed. It also seems that there are some good people in the Church who think that the Priest also did wrong. I'll withold judgement until further facts are presented. I repeat bmy ealier statement, in that I trust the Priest's superiors to get it right. If he deserves to be punished, he will be. If he deserves an apology, it will be given to him.

 

[Michie]

Fr. Guarnizo's statement shows that he misunderstands Church law, and confirms my sense that he erred and needs correction...
Fr. Marcel Guarnizo’s statement evidences misunderstandings of several aspects of Catholic law on the administration of holy Communion and confirms my sense that Guarnizo erred in withholding holy Communion in this case. Regarding those errors, I believe that he, and those inclined to support or even imitate him, need correction.

 

[Michie]

The betrayal of Father Guarnizo sends a chilling message to every priest in DC...
The betrayal of Father Guarnizo sends a chilling message to every priest in Washington: that if he is zealous in defending the Eucharist, he cannot count on support from the archdiocese. Since other radical activists will no doubt follow Barbara Johnson’s example, we can expect another test case soon. Let’s hope and pray that the next time...

 

[benedictaoo]

So the diocese don't always side with whom they should, they play politics... but when I say this, I'm bashing the Church.

There is a lot that needs to be fix with in the Church. there is a lot wrong, from this to covering up abuse to allowing open scandalous, no good members to serve in ministry. Allowing frauds who embezzle money form innocent people to enter the seminary.

The Church often sides with the "bad guys". this is more common then y'all realize and I get called the basher around here.

Maybe y'all know why now... Bishops simply are not doing their job. Pastors aren't either. a whole lotta balls are dropped daily.

 

[benedictaoo]

Agreed. It also seems that there are some good people in the Church who think that the Priest also did wrong. I'll withold judgement until further facts are presented. I repeat bmy ealier statement, in that I trust the Priest's superiors to get it right. If he deserves to be punished, he will be. If he deserves an apology, it will be given to him.

No, we aren't in Kansas anymore Mike. We'd all like to think that but a dioceses doesn't always side on what's right and doing what's right doesn't always take priority.

many diocese are self interested. they will side on what benefits them the most. There are many casualties of war, Mike. This priest just might be one of them, collateral damage.

 

[Foundthelight]

Some bishops don't have the cojones to handle the political heat.

 

[Michie]

Some bishops don't have the cojones to handle the political heat.

Obviously. I find that disgusting. If catholics are confused because of wishywashy, waffling shepherding then often they can simply look at the reflection in the mirror.

 

[MikeK]

Time will prove the shepherding to be just fine, I suspect. I'm reminded of the outcry in the early days if the Corapi scandal. So many quick to assume the superiors were in error, so many assuming their intuition to be correct an making judgements without the facts.

 

[Michie]

Time will prove the shepherding to be just fine, I suspect. I'm reminded of the outcry in the early days if the Corapi scandal. So many quick to assume the superiors were in error, so many assuming their intuition to be correct an making judgements without the facts.

I withheld judgement on the Corapi thing. On this case, not so much.

I have a real problem with the lack of transparency in the Church & how they handle these scandals that pop up.

 

[MikeK]

There will be plenty of transparency. When the story is clear, it will be told.

 

[Michie]

There will be plenty of transparency. When the story is clear, it will be told.

We'll see. But I'll take your word for it in the meantime.

 

[benedictaoo]

There will be plenty of transparency. When the story is clear, it will be told.

Come on Mike... not necessarily.

 

[MikeK]

Come on Mike... not necessarily.

Mark my words. The whole sex scandal was a huge mess, but since then, I think the Bishops have done a thorough job and I trust them to make this right.

 

[benedictaoo]

mmmm hmmm... we can always take the high, "PC" road, that's always an option... you're just saying what these ppl want to hear. You are being very PC.

 

[underheaven]

exactly. and it wasn't okay to accuse Fr Corapi, member that?

But here's the thing... If any person goes to the priest saying they are having sex with their unmarried partner, that should be an issue. Why its so much more horrific that a lesbian does it, doesn't make sense.

Do the members of this forum seriously realize the amount of Catholics who go up, who are having sex outside of wed lock?

But we must keep up appearances and rule out the Lesbians.

If we are going to worry about scandal and what not- then we need to crack down on all sinners who go up.

Just like the lesbian's 5 year old child who was kicked out Kindergarten because of her mom's sins... yeah, okay, everybody else's parents in that school is on the up and up. (sarcasm)

Its the picking and choosing that drives me crazy and I brought an open scandalous situation to a parish priest once and to the archdiocese when he blew it off and I was blown off.

So make no mistake about it. the Church will pick and choose what scandal they find important.

My hats off to the priest for treating scandal seriously, but face it, that priest in one in a million who do and that is my frustration.

I'd like you tell me what is the definition of marriage,and to ask you, if the people [heterosexual] before the the church was up and running were performing 'lewd' acts,were sinning before God when they lived together,loved God and brought up their children in a natural family as they did before that time.
In many ways the church service is a formality,because it is not the priest that marries anyone,they marry each other. For it to be holy in the sight of God,requires that they will commit to one another ,respect one another,do what is natural,and have the children God chooses to give them at that time,and to do it in the sight of God[who is invisible] ,that is ALL.
To compare sodomy or equivalent to that, is .

 

[Tigg]

So the diocese don't always side with whom they should, they play politics... but when I say this, I'm bashing the Church.

There is a lot that needs to be fix with in the Church. there is a lot wrong, from this to covering up abuse to allowing open scandalous, no good members to serve in ministry. Allowing frauds who embezzle money form innocent people to enter the seminary.

The Church often sides with the "bad guys". this is more common then y'all realize and I get called the basher around here.

Maybe y'all know why now... Bishops simply are not doing their job. Pastors aren't either. a whole lotta balls are dropped daily.

Bashing the Church? No, telling the truth. The Church and this board need you and those like you. To sound off, to be the bell weather for wrong. To speak for those who can't or won't. Maybe, because of sounding off, some of the wrongs can or will be righted. They never will be unless there are people just like you sounding off loud and clear. Carry on and God bless you. Happy St. Pat's Day and wear some green.

 

[Michie]

A brief thought on the phrase ‘manifest sin’ in Canon 915...
As I look through the continuing blogosphere commentary on the lesbian/Communion case, I see many people confusing the concept of “manifest sin” in Canon 915 with the notion of, I dunno, something like “manifestly sinful”. Those two phrases mean different things*, I suggest, and Canon 915 speaks only in terms of the former, not the latter.

 

[benedictaoo]

Bashing the Church? No, telling the truth. The Church and this board need you and those like you. To sound off, to be the bell weather for wrong. To speak for those who can't or won't. Maybe, because of sounding off, some of the wrongs can or will be righted. They never will be unless there are people just like you sounding off loud and clear. Carry on and God bless you. Happy St. Pat's Day and wear some green.

its the double standard. Its because its a Lesbian. that is why people are rallying around the priest- because he called out a Lesbian.

It has less to do with her being a Buddhist. less to do with upholding the integrity of the sacrament. Really nothing at all to do with how this priest walked out on the burial of the deceased women who was NOT lesbian or Buddhist but Catholic...

this is more about this priest calling out a Lesbian... IMO, or course. but what do I know?

The bishop corrected the priest and its being said the bishop is wrong. but when we say bishops were wrong for coving up sex abuse, we are bashing the Church.

His punishment is more likely because he abandon the burial of the deceased. but I really don't know. Its none of my business.

why aren't we outraged over that? why do we ignore that and talk it up about how heroic he was for calling out a lesbian?

I'm not saying the priest was wrong for that- I'm saying these people here on this board... its all THEY care about. Not all that the priest cared about.

and I like when it was Corapi- we who weren't one of his followers, all were all sinful gossipers and detractors but its okay to gossip and detract about this... these OBOBer's need to understand what a double standard is.