Why is everybody so afraid of Islam/Muslims?

disciple2011

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No, I'm no hypocrite. Someone who in a round about way and now repeats, that the U.S. reaps what it sowed and shouldn't have been surprised by 9-11, is despicable!
And that is exactly what Falwell and Robertson said of the events on September 11th, in claiming their observation of Americas behavior calling that horror unto them as a sign or punishment from God. Which those who hijacked those planes heard calling them to act, in their own way by the name of their own Deity Allah!

Needless insult is what you profess about America, in any circular logic excuse you wish to afford, in what happened to us, not because of us, on September 11th, 2001.

So judge my offering prayers to people in sincere spirit and from the heart all you like. If you imagine that precludes me from having an opinion of your hate, you are sadly mistaken. And "hypocrite" coming from you, isn't an insult to me. It's simply your next excuse for hate and perverse circular logic that attempts to make credible the affirmation any terrorism that finds us/U.S. is due to what we sowed.

Well, if that is how you see it let's see if you can accept that all that horror that happens in the middle east, and has for long centuries when the U.S. had nothing to do with any thing about it, nor did Christianity, as a matter of the reap and sow analogy.

Somehow, I doubt it.

Goodness me, it is amazing how hate can be a tenet of the doctrine of a Prince of peace. And how that can be excused as someone adopting a hate filled personality, thinking they're comporting with what is Christ like.

My deepest sympathies unto you. And thank God I don't see things your way.

Let me get this straight?

Your King believes in sowing and reaping, but you don't?

That does not make any sense.
 
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Why do you protect Islamic terrorists the way you do? :doh:

Question.

What do moderate Christians say about people that claim Christianity and shoot abortion clinic doctors?

Do they claim that those are fine, upstanding, God-fearing Christians?

Or cowardly, devil possessed people not at all Christian?

Which is said?
 
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Muslims believe Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, they don't believe he is God.

And there are many Christian denominations that believe that Jesus is the Messiah but not G-d, so there is really no difference there between Christianity/Messianic Judaism and Islam.

What they have is a different understanding of that God. A different theology, a different dogma, a different, world view.

And if you examine the two theologies about G-d, you'll find that the reality is that the two are actually not so different after all.
 
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Then why did Muhammad call for able bodied Muslims to Jihad if it men some "internal wrestling" as you say.

Because just like you King said that you will wrestle with the worldly temptation and sin while being here in this world and to battle those things, so did mammie the prophet.

It is what all shamans say. That the spiritual world is always better than the physical world.

It is SOP for religions.

And agains jihad can take the form of carnal war to spiritual war.

BUT YOUR KING said your war, as a Christian, is not with flesh and blood. Yet you routinely go off and praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

Why? Your King said otherwise.

Why do you not follow the King's word. He is your sovereign.
 
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The Islamic trilogy is full of taking away the humanity if the unbeliever.


Well isn't that the stadard of all humans that wish to impose their control on others?

Is not religion, like ideology, just another scapegoat to stir people into wanting to hate and kill one another?

I don't blame concepts and constructs for what is clearly just humans being humans.
 
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No, because it's clear you don't know what a terrorist is.

George Washington and the rebel army were branded terrorists by Tory loyalists.

Terrorist is a word used by people to daemonise others so that it is easy to not see them as kinspeople and therefore kill them.
 
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Yes he was anti-semetic in his laters years, how bout you? Still he risked his life to challenge the church. Your bias is breath taking. You claim Martin Luther was my "buddy"? I never mentioned him before you made that claim. Out of thin air....


You do realise that Arabs are Semites right?
 
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People should fear anyone who is totally fundamentally inured to their religion. IMO someone who believes, who actually believes that the Earth is really 6000 years old is just as frightening and just as dangerous as someone who would fly an airplane into a building.

I agree 100%.

But what is far worse is when people become so blinded by the righteousness of their cause that they begin to believe things contrary to their founders words and then attribute them to that founder.
 
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Unlike most Christians, most muslims around the world are what we would call Young Earth Creationists - but unless I'm very much mistaken, I have yet to hear of Ken Ham encouraging his followers to bomb a natural history museum. American creationists may be full of hot air but they aren't dangerous.


But God says that people that lie will be with him.

Psalms 101:7
He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.

I think your God would say it is a most dangerous thing.

Oh look there:

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall not escape.

Well there you have it.
 
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Sounds like we should fear religion in general, and not any religion in particular... No one is portraying any religion in a particularly good light...

NO NO NO NO

We do not fear concepts. We fear humans that the end justifies the means.

It does not matter if they hide behind religion or ideology, it is the human that is at fault.
 
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Question.

What do moderate Christians say about people that claim Christianity and shoot abortion clinic doctors?

Do they claim that those are fine, upstanding, God-fearing Christians?

Or cowardly, devil possessed people not at all Christian?

Which is said?

I would lean more toward the latter, and yes I consider myself politically moderate. But Christianity doesn't shoot abortion doctors; wayward Christians do.
 
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well our troops at the moment are fighting for your right to say that curly, so i'll respect it

No the troops are fighting for the pittance they are paid to send home to wives whom often leave them for guys they webcam with on the net.

They are not fighting for OUR freedoms. Because no but our government is threatening our freedoms. And in the case of Bush and Obama, they took them away and keep them away.

No if the troops want to fight for freedom they would surround the white house and demand the patriot acts are to be repealed.

But as they are not, they are working for the freedom of the plutocrats in office and their corporate masters.

Unless you are in one of those two categories, they are doing nothing for you.
 
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well, all you have is arguments from people that you trust.

on the same, I also have arguments from people and leaders that I trust, this is what our conservative leaders, presidential candidates, congressmen, and senators are saying. Even Obama, who wouldn't being doing what he is doing in Afganistan, (even though hes doing it wrong) unless he somehow believed in these arguments.

I haven't been to the middle east but lots of these people have and I trust them and what they say.


People also believed that there were canals of water like in Venice on Mars.
That salamander were born of fire.
That a all aboriginal Americans were savages.
That the Plymouth Colonists were pilgrims seeking freedom of religion in the New World.
And that Columbus discovered the US.

They were well spoken and leaders at the time all of it was said.

Were they right?

No.

But here is the catch. If you say a lie long enough, you will believe it to be true.
 
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SmellsLikeCurlyFries said:
But in today's world it's only Muslims that are treated as horrible people when they commit such atrocities. Christians get a pass for doing the same things.
Nonsense. Many people have been threatened with imprisonment for burning Qu'rans by the government - and they're threatened with deaths by Muslims. Two US soldiers were killed after they burned Qu'rans. A teacher was jailed simply for naming a teddy bear Mohammed.

Muslims, both in the Middle East and in Western countries, are not punished if they choose to burn Bibles. Some were arrested when they chose to burn flags on the anniversity of 9/11, but they were certainly not killed.

Saying Christians get off scott-free while poor innocent Muslims are persecuted is just plain wrong.

SmellsLikeCurlyFries said:
Muslims in the Western world are a clear contrast to Muslims in the Middle East. It's not Islam, it's the region. The Middle East is just a naturally harsh region, so anything that exists in that region is liable to be harsh and violent. That doesn't mean we condemn the ideology, it means we work on finding ways to fix it.
The flag-burning I mentioned above occured in Britain. All the the perpetrators behind the July 7th bombing in London were born in Britain, as was one of the terrorists behind the fail attack on Glasgow airport and the failed US shoe-bomber. They didn't live under an oppressive government.

Indeed research has show that Islamic terrorists are more likely to come from middle-to-high income families and are more likely to have a better education than the general population in the Middle East. They have less to complain about that the average Muslim.
 
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Let's cut to the chase. Prove you assersion that Islam is not ant-semetic as one who seeks a Jewish faith.

Islam was started by Arabs.

Arabs are Semites.

How can one be Anti-Self?

No Semitism has nothing to do with it.

It is humans hating humans. Religion is just the scapegoat.
 
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If the US hadn't attacked a majority of the Arab world for several decades the towers would probably be standing too.
Yeah, you know I hear that and I try to think what it means. I heard Bin Laden say the same stuff, and I'm thinking "what exactly are you referring to?"

Maybe you can tell me who we were attacking. It should be easy since as you say it was a majority of the Arab world.
 
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disciple2011 said:
Islam was started by Arabs.

Arabs are Semites.

How can one be Anti-Self?

No Semitism has nothing to do with it.

It is humans hating humans. Religion is just the scapegoat.

In my experience - usually after talking with white racists - it's perfectly possible for a person to hate not only their own race, but their own ethnic group.
 
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I would lean more toward the latter, and yes I consider myself politically moderate. But Christianity doesn't shoot abortion doctors; wayward Christians do.


Wayward Christians... staying followers of Jesus Christ...

No these are oxymorons.

Like saying righteous sinners.

Let's just acknowledge the 800 pound primate. They are NOT Christians.
 
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In my experience - usually after talking with white racists - it's perfectly possible for a person to hate not only their own race, but their own ethnic group.

When a person hates and loves themselves they are mad. Not racist.

Insane, crackers.

Their words must be taken with a kilo of salt and their actions watched carefully.
 
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