A response to golgotha61

[Believer69]

Originally Posted by Believer69

Muslims worship Allah. They do not believe that Jesus is Allah. Therefore, not the same God.
Yes but they follow yahweh the same god.
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I got a twenty dollar bill the other day and used it a store to buy something I needed. The lady at the register took one of those markers that detects counterfeit money from authentic money and found that my bill was counterfeit. All the wording and symbols were the same on the counterfeit as on an authentic twenty but the characteristics that made up the authentic bill were not present.

This is the Muslim god. He is a counterfeit of the Biblical God, or the authentic God, since the characteristics of authenticity are not present in the Muslim god. Therefore the Muslim god is not the same god as the Biblical God.

I could argue the same for the christian god compared with the judeo god. Does that mean they have different gods?
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No you cannot make that argument since they are the same God, but if you would like to try, go ahead. But I would suggest you do it on your own post. It is against the rules for two non-Christians to post on this thread at the same time, and I would not want to encourage you to break the rules.


You say that you get a counterfeit bill it looks the same but the characteristics are the same. I can apply this to differences in the judaic and christian god. (in my view judaism, christianity and islam have the same god but you said they do not so in this case i will argue the counterfeit characteristics)

In short in christianity says god is benevalent. Jews accept that he is not, that sometimes hes an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. God is one judaism, god is three in christianity. You said that the islam god is a counterfeit god as the characteristics are different. Their are two different characteristics in the judaic and christian.

To end this is not much of an argument or anything. In my view they are the same god. As they are based on the same scriptures and different interpretations are drawn. But yanoo i said a point got to show why i said it.

 

[ebia]

Is there a question?

 

[drich0150]

I have a few. Do Muslims worship the God of the bible? Do Muslims worship the God of Judism?

NO??

Then we worship different Deities.

 

[brinny]

I have a few. Do Muslims worship the God of the bible? Do Muslims worship the God of Judism?

NO??

Then we worship different Deities.

I agree except that muslims don't worship a deity, they worship just allah, don't they?

 

[drich0150]

I agree except that Muslims don't worship a deity, they worship just allah, don't they?

Deity is a neutral word describing a god or even The God.

I was just trying to pair the two (False god and The God) together while trying to avoid a heresy.
by using this word:
de·i·ty

   /ˈdiɪti/ http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.htmlShow Spelled[dee-i-tee] http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.htmlShow IPA
noun, plural -ties. 1. a god or goddess.

2. divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.

3. the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.

4. a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.

5. the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

a deity can either mean a false God or the real God all depending on how you use the word.

In short Allah can be considered a deity.

 

[brinny]

Deity is a neutral word describing a god or even The God.

I was just trying to pair the two (False god and The God) together while trying to avoid a heresy.
by using this word:
de·i·ty

   /ˈdiɪti/ http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.htmlShow Spelled[dee-i-tee] http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.htmlShow IPA
noun, plural -ties. 1. a god or goddess.

2. divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.

3. the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.

4. a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.

5. the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

a deity can either mean a false God or the real God all depending on how you use the word.

In short Allah can be considered a deity.

oh i see...thanks for the break down. From that perspective i agree with you.

 

[drich0150]

oh i see...thanks for the break down. From that perspective i agree with you.

Thank you for asking the question. I am told there are many who read and do not respond even if they have questions like the one you had. For me i try and explain thing I think most will question but often over look things I am too familiar with.

I always welcome all honest questions.

 

[brinny]

You're welcome and thank you again.

 

[golgotha61]

In short in christianity says god is benevalent.

There is no statement in the Doctrine of God that makes the claim that one of His attributes or characteristics is benevolence.

Jews accept that he is not, that sometimes hes an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

I am not clear as to the source of the "bless an do not curse" phrases. Since this statement is a result of the assumption that God is benevolent and benevolence is not one of His attributes, the statement is false.

God is one judaism,

Granted and supported by this verse:[FONT=&quot] Deuteronomy 6:4-5 (RSV) [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD; shema, Jewish Creed[/FONT]

god is three in christianity.

I am assuming this statement is in reference to the trinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This Trinity is not three gods but rather, a three in one God. God is still one.

The Old Testament has at least two examples that are believed to be an inference to the Trinity:

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 11:6-7 (KJV)
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Christ quotes the verse following the "shema" in Matt: 22:35-37, which demonstrates His knowledge of and agreement with the "shema". Jesus proclaims this: "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30. KJV). This demonstrates Christ's claim to be a part of the triune Godhead.




The Trinity of God is a doctrine that is fundamental to the Christian faith; belief or disbelief in the Trinity marks orthodoxy from unorthodoxy. Human reason, however, cannot fathom the Trinity, nor can logic explain it, and, although the word itself is not found in the Scriptures, the doctrine is plainly taught in the Scriptures. The early church was forced to study the subject and affirm its truth because of the heretical teachings that arose opposing the Trinity.
The term Trinity is not the best one because it emphasizes only the three persons but not the unity within the Trinity. The German word Dreieinigkeit (“three-oneness&#8221 better expresses the concept. A proper definition then must include the distinctness and equality of the three persons within the Trinity as well as the unity within the Trinity. The word Triunity may better express the doctrine. A proper definition of the Trinity states: “the Trinity is composed of three united Persons without separate existence—so completely united as to form one God. The divine nature subsists in three distinctions—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”

The Moody Handbook of Theology.

You said that the islam god is a counterfeit god as the characteristics are different. Their are two different characteristics in the judaic and christian.

I think this fairly well covered above.

To end this is not much of an argument or anything. In my view they are the same god. As they are based on the same scriptures and different interpretations are drawn.

I understand this is your view but I think it would be helpful if you would give some support for this view in the area of sources etc.

But yanoo i said a point got to show why i said it.

This sentence needs to be restated. I don't understand what you are saying.